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2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

MacDawg said:
Chick fight!
Chick fight!

RAWR!!!!

Now THIS is gonna be good...

Oklahoma v. Florida
Bradford v. Tebow
ipodtouchy333 v. SlasherDuff


Doesn't get any better than this!!
Bring it on!


Woof, Woof - Dawg
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I will guarantee an Oklahoma win for the National Championship, but I also hope USC whoops on Penn State...
 
MacDawg said:
What are you trying to say Badandy?
Got this one in the bag? ;)
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Nothing is ever in the bag. Unless we're playing Notre Dame...


Don't count your chickens on this one... you offense has been lackluster
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Our offense has really been stepping up lately. They're playing great.


Yes, your defense is good...
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The best.

but Penn State is gonna be ready for you
Are your guys gonna be motivated?
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I'd hope so. We do have that problem sometime.

This might be an upset waiting to happen
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Every game is an upset waiting to happen.
 
Wow! There have been more comments in the last two days than in the last two months! ...well, maybe not, but it seems like it!

I just caught up on the last three or four pages, and the Utah discussion. Since I'm a fellow non-BCSer I have to weigh in.

I think one of the biggest components of this game that not many people talk about is the fact that this is going to basically be a Home game for Alabama. I hope Utah fans travel, but that's a long way to go in a recession. Glendale would have been a much more realistic choice for travel.

I think Utah is going to have its hands full with Alabama this year. I don't think this year's Utah team is as good as 2004. Given the opportunity I think that '04 team could have ran with any team in the country. This year's team is strong, definitely, but even though I'll be cheering for Utah until my lungs explode, I just can't seem to give them the win.

Seriously, I really hope Utah wins. I really do. Because if they lose then they're "just another mid-major that can't run with the big boys", like Hawaii. We need another win for us so that the door doesn't shut on us even more.

Everything Boise State accomplished for the non-BCS in 2006 (and they accomplished a LOT) was all but taken away by Hawaii in '07. Honestly I feel Boise State is still paying for that. So now comes Utah's chance to up the ante for us "little guys", so I hope they come away with the win.

The last thing I want to comment on is in regards to SLC's idea that the MWC is such a great conference. I'm sorry, but I just can't get behind this. Now don't get me wrong, the MWC is having a STELLAR year, but when was the last time three MWC teams have finished in the top 25? It's never happened.

2002: TCU #23
2003: Utah #21, TCU #25
2004: Utah #4
2005: TCU #11
2006: BYU #16, TCU #22
2007: BYU #14

There have been some great finishes ('04 Utah, '05 TCU) but for the most part the MWC teams have been top 25 bottom dwellers.

Again, don't get me wrong. I think the MWC is a great conference, but it's just not as dominant as MWC fans like to think it is because they have one good year.

Now for some Boise State love. :)

What SLC thought was ludicrous, I couldn't help but smile. Of course I'm referring to the Bowl Selection Show announcers comparing Utah to Boise State. Heh heh.

But what is so wrong with that statement? Utah was the first BCS Buster, and they're the first to go twice, but I think you could argue that Boise State has been the most consistent dominating non-BCS team in the last six years.

2002:
#15 - Boise State
#23 - TCU
#24 - Marshall

2003:
#10 - Miami (OH)
#16 - Boise State
#21 - Utah
#23 - Bowling Green
#25 - TCU

2004:
#4 - Utah
#6 - Louisville (pre-Big East)
#12 - Boise State
#22 - Fresno State

2005:
#11 - TCU

2006:
#5 - Boise State (one 1st place vote)
#16 - BYU
#22 - TCU

2007:
#14 - BYU
#19 - Hawaii

Only TCU and Boise State have ended the season ranked four out of the the last six years, but Boise State has been much higher up the charts. Utah finished #4, whereas Boise finished #5, but Boise received a first-place vote.

So again I ask: What is so wrong with having Utah compared to Boise State?

:D

Okay, I'm done. I doubt anyone will actually read this because it's so long, but there you have it.

Go Sooners!

:D

EDIT:

Just saw this and wanted to add it. The Poinsettia Bowl pitting Boise State against TCU is the fourth highest ranked bowl behind the Fiesta Bowl, but in front of the Sugar Bowl. :) Go Broncos!
 
Ok, off topic from the Utah debate. Let me bring up Heisman. I am admittedly a Sooner fan. Regardless, I will try to present as unbiased and logical an argument as to why he should win the Heisman Trophy over Tebow or McCoy.

Let's look at passing stats (national rank):
Bradford: 302/442 68.3% (7) - 4464 yds (3) - 10.1 YPA (3) - 48 TD (1) - 6 INT - 186.29 RAT (1)
McCoy: 313/404 77.6% (1) - 3445 yds (11) - 9.2 YPA (6) - 32 TD (10) - 7 INT - 179.20 RAT (3)
Tebow: 174/268 64.9% (18) - 2515 yds (41) - 9.4 YPA (4) - 28 TD (12) - 2 INT - 176.64 RAT (5)

Let's look at rushing stats:
Bradford: 40 ATT - 65 yds - 1.6 YPC - 5 TD
McCoy: 128 ATT - 576 yds - 4.5 YPC - 10 TD
Tebow: 154 ATT - 564 yds - 3.7 YPC - 12 TD

Now total offense:
Bradford: 4529 yds 53 TD
McCoy: 4021 yds 42 TD
Tebow: 3079 yds 40 TD

VS. Current BCS top 25:
Bradford: 5-1, 3 wins at home, 1 win on a neutral field, 1 win on road, and 1 loss on neutral field
McCoy: 3-1, 2 wins at home, 1 win on neutral field, 1 loss on road
Tebow: 2-1, 1 win on road, 1 win on neutral field, and 1 loss AT HOME

So if you want to look at total offense ... which is fair since each team runs a different offense .. Bradford edges out McCoy with Tebow far behind in yards. Yes McCoy has a higher percentage, but Bradford throws down field more. Obviously Bradford doesn't run, so if you must use running stats alone, McCoy edges out Tebow. Consider the previous record by Rex Grossman for most TD passes in the first two years of a college career at 55TDs. Bradford has 84TDs to date. He is fast becoming one of the most prolific passers in college football history as a sophomore. And at a school that has 2 1000 yd running backs.

I just hate that the Heisman has become a joke. It now just represents the best player (QB) on the best team, not the best player period. The media, with the likes of ESPN, simply pushes their agenda. Tebow's numbers are considerably down across the board, but they want someone to win it twice. I'm sorry he just doesn't deserve it this year. I think Bradford, McCoy, and even Harrell deserve it more than Tebow. Is he good, heck yes. But just not as consistently good as the other 3 throughout the entire year.

Edit: To the shorthorn fans who think I am biased, I will offer a Devil's advocate position as to why McCoy should win over Tebow and Bradford. McCoy has arguably the least amount of talent around him and makes them all better. This would indicate he is most valuable to his team.
 
gibbz said:
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I agree with you gibbz
ESPN et. al. hype Tebow beyond reason in my opinion
Last year... they were a 4 loss team and he won
They are just licking their chops with him playing for the NC

What McCoy, Harrell and Bradford have done this year is phenomenal
I know Tebow's stats from last year, but if they had had a running back, it would have been different
Tebow scored running the ball because he was their running back
This year his stats are down, but they are a better team <unfortunately>

Tebow will definitely not make it in the Pros as a QB
I doubt McCoy or Harrell will, but Bradford will

I would give the nod to Bradford as well
And if Dixon had not gotten hurt... he should have won it last year

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The Heisman is a popularity contest, no doubt. But whatever - I'd rather win games than see Longhorn Heisman winners.

And I'd probably give it to Bradford too (that goofy looking doofus). He has the best stats, although I do tend to agree that he's doing it with better talent than McCoy. He's also been, ahem, in the game and throwing it down the field at times that Mack Brown has Colt sitting on the bench. ;)

I'm also not a big fan of bringing the NFL into the discussion. I know it's a measure of raw talent, but what works in college doesn't necessarily work in the pros (Vince Young is an example of this). And since we're talking about college football, I don't care if a player ever makes it in the pro game. If he's dominant in college, he's dominant in college.
 
dmr727 said:
You guys always seem to be saying that. ;)

Are the OSU fans excited about the game? Will a lot of them be making the trip to Arizona?
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I know, I know, we just love our buckeyes. I have family in Scottsdale, so i might be making the trip using my brothers tickets; but if i don't i might be making the journey to Columbus to watch it on campus. Its always a lot of fun either on campus, or at Eddie George's bar.

I was at the last meeting between the Longhorns vs. Buckeyes a couple of years ago. I was actually surprised at how many longhorn fans came to Columbus for the game. Texas has always had a good, dedicated fan base. So, i hope many Buckeye fans, as well as Longhorn fans attend the game, to make it that much more intense.
 
Sweetfeld28 said:
So, i hope many Buckeye fans, as well as Longhorn fans attend the game, to make it that much more intense.
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I hope so too! As long as I'm not working, I think I'll make the trip out to Phoenix. Maybe I'll see you there - I'll buy the beers! :)
 
MacDawg said:
Excellent!

Then rate the QBs... 1-8... by on the field performance ;)

Graham Harrell - Texas Tech
Colt McCoy - Texas
Sam (the Goober™) Bradford - Oklahoma
Tim Tebow - Florida (I hate the Gators™)
Chase Daniel - Missouri
Todd Reesing - Kansas
Matthew Stafford - Georgia
Mark Sanchez - USC (just for you Badandy)

AND

Give us your BCS picks...

Rose Bowl - USC and Penn State
Fiesta Bowl - Texas and Ohio State
Sugar Bowl - Alabama and Utah
Orange Bowl - ahhh... don't bother

NChampionship - Florida and Oklahoma

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So the QB's that catch my eyes are of course Tim Teobw, and Matthew Stafford. Georgia played a good game last time they played the Gators, that was until the fourth quarter when they let their guard down. I admired the Tide as well, Most of the teams that played the Gators, since the GA/FL game seemed like that they were giving the games away. It got boring to watch by the time NC played the Gators. They weren't even trying. That's only from my point of view.

As far as the BCS championship, it's too close to tell. Both are great teams at 12-1, we will have to see come game day

The other bowls, Meh, lol, they would be good enough to watch, but I am not rooting for anyone yet. Next year I should be able to catch the season from the beginning. So it may be better for me to make a call on who is going to make it next year.
 
My predictions

  1. Florida wins (duh!)
  2. Oklahoma is held to under 20 points as they deal with the shock of playing against a team that puts up a defense.
  3. Florida scores more than 30 points.
  4. Texas complains that they should have been in the game, based on OK's poor showing.
  5. MacDawg reminds us all how much he hates the Gators.
 
What you talkin' about, Willis?

SlasherDuff said:
Georgia played a good game last time they played the Gators, that was until the fourth quarter when they let their guard down. I admired the Tide as well, Most of the teams that played the Gators, since the GA/FL game seemed like that they were giving the games away. It got boring to watch by the time NC played the Gators. They weren't even trying. That's only from my point of view.
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What season are you talking about? The Gators never trailed the Bulldogs in this year's game, and were up 14-3 by the half, 35-3 at the end of the third. And Florida never played North Carolina. Who's NC?
 
jimothyGator said:
  1. Florida wins (duh!)
  2. Oklahoma is held to under 20 points as they deal with the shock of playing against a team that puts up a defense.
  3. Florida scores more than 30 points.
  4. Texas complains that they should have been in the game, based on OK's poor showing.
  5. MacDawg reminds us all how much he hates the Gators.
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i'll say florida's only win will be preventing OU from hitting 60 points for 6 straight games. I expect OU domination

i hate the gators
 
dmr727 said:
The Heisman is a popularity contest, no doubt. But whatever - I'd rather win games than see Longhorn Heisman winners.

And I'd probably give it to Bradford too (that goofy looking doofus). He has the best stats, although I do tend to agree that he's doing it with better talent than McCoy. He's also been, ahem, in the game and throwing it down the field at times that Mack Brown has Colt sitting on the bench. ;)
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Careful calling Bradford a goofy doofus... ipodtouchy333 will take offense
He does look like a Goober™ :p

I agree... win games... leave the Heisman to others...
Just win, baby as Al Davis used to say!

Last year is a good example... Tebow wins the Heisman and is hailed as the greatest ever... but the Gators lost 4 games... and were embarrassed by Michigan

I'm also not a big fan of bringing the NFL into the discussion. I know it's a measure of raw talent, but what works in college doesn't necessarily work in the pros (Vince Young is an example of this). And since we're talking about college football, I don't care if a player ever makes it in the pro game. If he's dominant in college, he's dominant in college.
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I agree with this too... I was just making the observation
There are many examples... Vince Young, Charlie Ward, etc.
It doesn't always translate

jimothyGator said:
  1. Florida wins (duh!)
  2. Oklahoma is held to under 20 points as they deal with the shock of playing against a team that puts up a defense.
  3. Florida scores more than 30 points.
  4. Texas complains that they should have been in the game, based on OK's poor showing.
  5. MacDawg reminds us all how much he hates the Gators.
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Well... 1 out of 5 ain't too bad
I WILL remind you how much I Hate the Gators™
But that's the only one you got right!

dukebound85 said:
i'll say florida's only win will be preventing OU from hitting 60 points for 6 straight games. I expect OU domination

i hate the gators
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Excellent!
It's great... to be... a gator... hater...

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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championship game - florida by 17
fiesta - ohio st by 10
sugar - bama by 21
rose - penn state by 3
orange - vt by 14

i am kinda worried about bama being down about having to play a ****** team. it is a no win situation. if they win by a lot, it is expected. if it is a close game, they will get made fun of. if they lose, their whole season was worthless. the coaches are going to need to really pump them up for this one. but bama at 50% should be able to handle utah
 
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