Do you not think that is a good thing though?
Had it not been for that relentlessness, then McLaren would've won the World Constructors Championship.
The sport owes him a lot. As do Alonso, Häkkinen, Kubica, Schumacher/s to name a few.
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Do you not think that is a good thing though?
Had it not been for that relentlessness, then McLaren would've won the World Constructors Championship.
The sport owes him a lot. As do Alonso, Häkkinen, Kubica, Schumacher/s to name a few.
The tabloid press in the UK is astonishing in its baseness. Crazy.
I don't really care about Mosely too much, but the NOTW should face some consequences for all the muckraking they do. You can't simply pry deeply into someone's personal life looking for "news".
I don't really care about Mosely too much, but the NOTW should face some consequences for all the muckraking they do. You can't simply pry deeply into someone's personal life looking for "news".
Nevetheless, he needs to be held to the same standard he holds others. I am not one that believes his private life is mutually exclusive, not for someone in his position. I'm a partner in my company & I always keep perception in mind, even when I'm not on the clock.
It's important not to conflate things here:
1. It's not illegal to enjoy being whipped.
2. It isn't illegal to shout in German while engaging in S&M activities.
3. Didn't watch the video, so I can't comment on the "Nazi" allegations, but I don't think it's illegal to Nazi role-play either, if you aren't directly threatening (non-consensual) harm.
4. Prostitution?...I'm a Yank so I can't comment on UK prostitution laws.
So I'm not sure exactly what laws have been broken here; certainly the Nazis will be a very touchy issue with the Germans, broken laws or no, and Mosley has too many enemies for them not to leverage this.
I don't really like Mosley but it does appear that he is being railroaded out of the FIA by his enemies.
1. It's not illegal to enjoy being whipped.
2. It isn't illegal to shout in German while engaging in S&M activities.
3. Didn't watch the video, so I can't comment on the "Nazi" allegations, but I don't think it's illegal to Nazi role-play either, if you aren't directly threatening (non-consensual) harm.
4. Prostitution?...I'm a Yank so I can't comment on UK prostitution laws.
So I'm not sure exactly what laws have been broken here; certainly the Nazis will be a very touchy issue with the Germans, broken laws or no, and Mosley has too many enemies for them not to leverage this.
I don't really like Mosley but it does appear that he is being railroaded out of the FIA by his enemies.
When you have enemies, it's usually a good idea to make them get their own ammo and not provide it for them.
Not only is it illegal, but it's a crime that victimizes and exploits people. Most prostitutes are in forced servitude and treated miserably.
Some idiot called WindTunnel Sunday night and start espousing to Dave and Bob Varsha that prostitution is no big deal and that every man goes to hookers. Dave and Bob told that guy he's an idiot and hung up on him.
I doubt you'll find someone who disagrees here...but prostitution is legal in a number of places in Europe, and I didn't know anything about the UK legal situation (and was too lazy to Google it).
Anyway, Mosley will doubtless lose the vote of confidence on June 3. Game over.
Now this is top secret gossip straight from the heart of Formula One and may cause a bit of a backlash throughout the FIA. It is such a radical statement that I will have to type it in white....
Formula One is in-fact about car racing and not some old pervert being spanked and called a Nazi...
Formula One is in-fact about car racing and not some old pervert being spanked and called a Nazi...
RaceTripper said:
As I'm sure he does.
Max Mosely said:
Or do you think that the sexual activities, fantasies or perversions of Ron Dennis would've influenced Max Mosleys actions in Spygate?
But who are you, I or anybody to decide or indeed impose our moral (or what we consider to be) standards on others?
RaceTripper said:
Nonsense. As long as what he does outside of his professional responsibilities is not illegal, then yes it should remain mutually exclusive.
RaceTripper said:
So, I presume you've never been drunk in a public place, taken drugs, used profanity, had pre-marital sex, had marital sex with the intention of enjoyment rather than procreation, had sex using contraception, broken speeds limits, tossed litter etc etc.
RaceTripper said:
You are wrong.
RaceTripper said:
Now there's a sweeping generalisation whenever I've read one.
What Mosley has done , has in no way whatsoever impacted his ability or responsibility as the President of the FIA. Oh, and it really wasn't all that kinky.
I'm not going to address all your points other than to just say I disagree with you and leave it at that. I think Max will be gone soon enough and it'll all be moot anyway.As I'm sure he does.
Or do you think that the sexual activities, fantasies or perversions of Ron Dennis would've influenced Max Mosleys actions in Spygate?
But who are you, I or anybody to decide or indeed impose our moral (or what we consider to be) standards on others?
Nonsense. As long as what he does outside of his professional responsibilities is not illegal, then yes it should remain mutually exclusive.
So, I presume you've never been drunk in a public place, taken drugs, used profanity, had pre-marital sex, had marital sex with the intention of enjoyment rather than procreation, had sex using contraception, broken speeds limits, tossed litter etc etc.
You are wrong.
Now there's a sweeping generalisation whenever I've read one.
What Mosley has done , has in no way whatsoever impacted his ability or responsibility as the President of the FIA. Oh, and it really wasn't all that kinky.
Thats the thing, he can do what he likes behind closed doors, as soon as it affects his job then he should be gone. This quite clearly doesn't affect his work and therefore there should be no reason for him to loose his job.
It's all a bit of fun, and I still don't care about it. It's not only tarnishing Max Mosley, but the FIA and the entire motor sport world.
Before the NOTW broke the story, who cared? The phrase 'What you don't know can't hurt you' really has never been truer.
It's all a bit of fun, and I still don't care about it. It's not only tarnishing Max Mosley, but the FIA and the entire motor sport world.
Before the NOTW broke the story, who cared? The phrase 'What you don't know can't hurt you' really has never been truer.
Does it really not affect his job though? It makes him come across as a bit of a liar to me.
How hard did he try to distance himself from his father and fascist past? Now we see him apparently fooling around doing Nazi role-play with prostitutes.
It paints a very grim view of his mentality, and you don't leave your mind at home when you go to work in the morning.
How hard did he try to distance himself from his father and fascist past? Now we see him apparently fooling around doing Nazi role-play with prostitutes.
It paints a very grim view of his mentality, and you don't leave your mind at home when you go to work in the morning.
17 days till the next GP...I'm finishing my grad degree in a month (writing day and night), I can't wait to move and get satellite so I can actually watch this stuff for once. It's been too long.
It's been too long.RaceTripper said:
Probably. But if that's the case, then it sets a very, very dangerous precedent for the future doesn't it.
Does your private/sex life affect yours?
How so?
Should offspring be held account, or judged by the beliefs or actions of their parents?
What Nazi element exactly?
In that he likes to indulge his somewhat tame fantasies?
17 days till the next GP...I'm finishing my grad degree in a month (writing day and night), I can't wait to move and get satellite so I can actually watch this stuff for once.
yeah, i hear ya. they've just added a "Nazi porn" channel to our cable provider... wait, do... you... mean... Formula One...? yeah, yeah, me too, me too, the racing and such....
Will that be allowed as part of the new aerodynamics for next season of have Ferrari just blown a wad of cash for this season?
As far as I'm aware it should be, it's bargeboards, winglets etc that are being outlawed for next season.
As I understand it there's going to be very specific bodywork height and width restrictions for the actual bodywork of the cars, though I haven't really looked at the 2009 regs in any sufficient detail so I'm not entirely sure how they're going to enforce the regulations.
Sounds like we might be returning to the cleaner look of the late '80's and early '90's though.
That will be nice - right now the cars look about as busy as a paisley suit...Winglets sticking out everywhere.
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