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2008 Formula One Thread

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R.Youden said:
Well Honda show off their new car today in an official manor.

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Not too sure about the livery, I think I prefer the old Earth car. It looks too much like the BMW (not that they will be close enough on the track to confuse them!).

Lets hope for a better 2008!
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i quoted the top photo for a reason, to compare and contrast, please don't edit it out. or diminish it to a link...thanks.
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i like it. hope it wins some races.
 
pachyderm said:
i quoted the top photo for a reason, to compare and contrast, please don't edit it out. or diminish it to a link...thanks.
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i like it. hope it wins some races.
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I doubt that it will win any races, but it certainly does look better from that angle.
 
R.Youden said:
I doubt that it will win any races.
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Autosport said:
Q. What are the feelings about the new car following the Valencia test?

Ross Brawn: It's difficult to know what to expect as that particular car was a collection of bits that had never been run in the wind tunnel. Because we had to pick a point last November when parts were frozen. So the car we ran in Valencia had never been run as a collection of parts in the wind tunnel.
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Winner! :p :p :p
 
That is and isn't a big surprise. What does not surprise me is that they ran a car cobbled together with some old bits they had lying around. At this time of year it is quite common. What has surprised me is they appear to have done the shake-down in public. Normally they would go to Silverstone week before a car launch or maybe even Santa-pod just to check everything out.

Another interesting theory maybe that they are trying to reverse engineer the thing. Maybe its more of, OK we know how it performs on the track, lets see what the tunnel tells us. Instead of the old, OK this is the wind tunnel data, this is how fast it should be on the track.

Now this isn't a long term methodology, but it may help them get out of the hole they are in with the tunnel at the moment.
 
R.Youden said:
I doubt that it will win any races, but it certainly does look better from that angle.
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Looking at it it seems to follow this years trend of greatly shortening the side pods and having the aerodynamic flairs before attached to the floor entirely as free standing objects, as opposed to looking like "out pouching" from the sidepods. I guess this is all about weightloss. The Honda itself looks quite pretty, the "earth stripes" and the engine cover helping to make it not just another white car. Renault seem once again to have trumped the rest by having a yellow, white and orange car. UUUUUUUUUUUUUgly!:eek:
 
iGav said:
Ross Brawn only won with Schumacher. ;) He doesn't have that luxury anymore. :p :p :p
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and the ferrari's of brawn weren't good enough to win?
keep in mind he damn near won the title with irvine!
only schumacer coming back at the end of '99 kept irvine in check.
 
pachyderm said:
and the ferrari's of brawn weren't good enough to win?
keep in mind he damn near won the title with irvine!
only schumacer coming back at the end of '99 kept irvine in check.
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Are you saying that if Schumacher hadn't come back then Irvine would have won?

If that is the case then you are very much wrong my friend. Schuamcer competed in the last two races of that season. The first, Malaysia, he was stunning and pulled a fantastic move where by Irvine was allowed to overtake Schumacher and then Schuamcher blocked Mika so Irvine could close-in on the championship lead.

Then in Japan Schuamcher again finished second after Mika won the race with Irvine finished second. There was nothing that Schuamcher could do about Mika in that race so Irvine only just lost out on the title.

So to say that Irvine would have won the title if Schuamcher hadn't returned for the last two races is far from the truth.
 
SpookTheHamster said:
Anyone else heard that Raikkonen is considering ending his F1 career at Ferrari, as early as next year?
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That's only when his current contract expires, I expect he'll sign another 2 maybe 3 year contract and then retire, I doubt he'll go on as long as Schumacher did for example.

pachyderm said:
and the ferrari's of brawn weren't good enough to win?
keep in mind he damn near won the title with irvine!
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But they didn't win with Irvine that's the point. ;)

Anyhow, my original comment was only in jest, though I do think that Jenson will not be capable of raising the bar in the way that Schumacher did, Ross Brawn or not.

Counterfit said:
So who would they dump, Jenson or Rubens?
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What's with the or? ;)
 
R.Youden said:
Are you saying that if Schumacher hadn't come back then Irvine would have won?

If that is the case then you are very much wrong my friend. Schuamcer competed in the last two races of that season. The first, Malaysia, he was stunning and pulled a fantastic move where by Irvine was allowed to overtake Schumacher and then Schuamcher blocked Mika so Irvine could close-in on the championship lead.

Then in Japan Schuamcher again finished second after Mika won the race with Irvine finished second. There was nothing that Schuamcher could do about Mika in that race so Irvine only just lost out on the title.

So to say that Irvine would have won the title if Schuamcher hadn't returned for the last two races is far from the truth.
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I know exactly what MS did.
i'm saying he came back to remind folks that he was top dog and that it would be bad form for irvine to win the first ferrari title in God knows how many years. the malaysia performance aside, he wasn't going to sit idly by while irvine outshone him. irvine supposedly got all the attention that MS would have while MS was away. could irvine have beaten mika with salo as a teammate the final two races...hard to say. he definitely wasn't going to win the title with MS back in the picture...
 
pachyderm said:
he definitely wasn't going to win the title with MS back in the picture...
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Hmm, I am not sure about that. If you watched the Malaysian grand prix, Schui could have walked that and Irvine would never had a chance, but he didn't.

Maybe he didn't push as hard as he could have done in Japan, we will never know, but to say that Irvine was never going to win with Schui back is a very bold statement, why did the team bring him back? It would have been very easy to say, Michael, take a nice long holiday. He risked a lot in those two races. Recovering from a broken leg is not nice (I broke mine 18 months ago and it is still not 100%). so to take that risk the team must have wanted him to either help Irvine win, or make sure he didn't.
 
pachyderm said:
i'm saying he came back to remind folks that he was top dog
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R.Youden said:
so to take that risk the team must have wanted him to either help Irvine win, or make sure he didn't.
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Indeed, Schumacher had no intention of returning for the remaining races of 1999, it was Luca di Montezemolo that requested his return.

R.Youden said:
Maybe he didn't push as hard as he could have done in Japan.
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Considering that he finished a minute and half ahead of Irvine, I've never quite understood how some have suggested that he didn't push as hard as he could've. :D

Irvine had an enormous amount of help after Schumacher's accident, but he dropped the ball in Hungary, and required the implementation of team orders in Belgium, Germany and Malaysia and was lacklustre in Italy and Japan.
 
iGav said:
Irvine had an enormous amount of help after Schumacher's accident, but he dropped the ball in Hungary,
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Wasn't that the 'oh, we only have three wheels' race and the fans pilled a load of wheels outside the Fiarono factory the next day?
 
SpookTheHamster said:
Anyone else heard that Raikkonen is considering ending his F1 career at Ferrari, as early as next year?
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I wouldn't be surprised even if he did this year. The guy doesn't really seem to have the passion for Formula 1. No doubt he's talented and all but I don't really seem to see his passion for F1. The night races this year will be cool though. Really looking forward to it.
 
R.Youden said:
Wasn't that the 'oh, we only have three wheels' race and the fans pilled a load of wheels outside the Fiarono factory the next day?
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No that was the European GP. At Hungary, he made a mistake under pressure from DC in the closing laps and lost 2nd position.

And considering that Mika was doing his upmost best to lose the Championship as well, it makes Eddies failure to secure the WDC even more puzzling. :confused: :eek:
 
A community thread I wish to post in at last.

First of i'll state some things os that no-one gets confused. Firstly, I am a Brit, I am an avid Ferrari fan and lastly, as long as Ferrari win I don't care which of the two drivers it is.

MS coming back to test is a bit of fun, it helps the team out and gets him out from under the wife's feet once in a while, so everyone is happy. KR retiring, a strong possibility although if he wins the title again I would like to see him try and make it a three.

As for LH, i'll keep quiet on that, my views on this individual have got me into trouble and banned from posting on the ITV website.
 
iGav said:
That's only when his current contract expires, I expect he'll sign another 2 maybe 3 year contract and then retire, I doubt he'll go on as long as Schumacher did for example.
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I know that's when his current contract expires, but he's reported as saying he's considering finishing in F1 then.

DarkNetworks said:
I wouldn't be surprised even if he did this year. The guy doesn't really seem to have the passion for Formula 1. No doubt he's talented and all but I don't really seem to see his passion for F1. The night races this year will be cool though. Really looking forward to it.
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He has a lot of passion, but stick a camera in his face and he turns to stone.
 
yeah. i didn't mean to rehash any old antischumi/proschumi debates.

MS was/is/may still be great. no argument. i do think that him pulling over in malaysia was an extraordinary feat and well out of character. irvine did fine in '99 but i agree he did drop the ball. but i also think no matter how you slice it...ferrari and MS weren't going to let irvine win any title before MS would. irvine was never hired for that.MS was.

and mika simply kicked his ass in the last race anyway...

i still think ross brawn will have honda winning soon.
 
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