I think Honda will win again within 2 years. They have too many good quality people there. The resources are amazing, they just need to learn how to use them!
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I think Honda will win again within 2 years. They have too many good quality people there. The resources are amazing, they just need to learn how to use them!
i hope it doesn't take that long... one win under their belts from two seasons ago .. hard to believe they looked that lost last year...
I think this year they may take the odd podium in the second half of the season. They still, nearly 2 years after it opened, do not fully understand the most advanced wind tunnel in formula one! That is a must for Ross and his team, then they have a solid foundation with which the can work and start improving the car.
Different indeed. I don't like it, but I wonder if it works/what it adds. Stability at the arse end?
That doesn't make sense, if that were indeed the case, Ferrari wouldn't have allowed Irvine to win in Malaysia.
What cost Irvine the Championship, was frequent poor performances and mistakes.
Though I do agree that Ferrari would've preferred Schumacher to win the Championship over Irvine, the suggestion that they would've preferred Häkkinen winning in preference to Irvine is just...
Mika made extraordinarily hard work of winning the title, with an extraordinary car that season.
As for that Red Bull... looks like the stern from the Titanic.
That Ross Brawn bloke is good.....
1.--Hamilton-----McLaren-Mercedes----(B)--1:22.263---82
2.--Alonso-------Renault-----------------(B)--1:22.889---61
3.--Kubica-------BMW-Sauber-----------(B)--1:22.983---65
4.--Fisichella----Force India-Ferrari-----(B)--1:23.015---98
5.--Heidfeld-----BMW-Sauber-----------(B)--1:23.270---52
6.--Paffett-------McLaren-Mercedes---- (B)--1:23.349---45
7.--Piquet--------Renault----------------(B)--1:23.367---44
8.--Vettel--------Toro Rosso-Ferrari----(B)--1:23.387---89
9.--Rosberg-----Williams-Toyota--------(B)--1:23.453---12
10.-Coulthard---Red Bull-Renault-------(B)--1:23.491---60
11.-Webber-----Red Bull-Renault-------(B)--1:23.547---52
12.-Bourdais----Toro Rosso-Ferrari-----(B)--1:23.836---54
13.-Nakajima---Williams-Toyota--------(B)--1:23.955---35
14.-Barrichello--Honda------------------(B)--1:24.125---53
15.-Wurz--------Honda-------------------(B)--1:26.975---26
Fissi did a good lap in the F1ndia car. Maybe a fuel burn run, but he did the most laps in the day, good work so far!
1.--Hamilton-----McLaren-Mercedes----(B)--1:22.263---82
2.--Alonso-------Renault-----------------(B)--1:22.889---61
3.--Kubica-------BMW-Sauber-----------(B)--1:22.983---65
4.--Fisichella----Force India-Ferrari-----(B)--1:23.015---98
5.--Heidfeld-----BMW-Sauber-----------(B)--1:23.270---52
6.--Paffett-------McLaren-Mercedes---- (B)--1:23.349---45
7.--Piquet--------Renault----------------(B)--1:23.367---44
8.--Vettel--------Toro Rosso-Ferrari----(B)--1:23.387---89
9.--Rosberg-----Williams-Toyota--------(B)--1:23.453---12
10.-Coulthard---Red Bull-Renault-------(B)--1:23.491---60
11.-Webber-----Red Bull-Renault-------(B)--1:23.547---52
12.-Bourdais----Toro Rosso-Ferrari-----(B)--1:23.836---54
13.-Nakajima---Williams-Toyota--------(B)--1:23.955---35
14.-Barrichello--Honda------------------(B)--1:24.125---53
15.-Wurz--------Honda-------------------(B)--1:26.975---26
Fissi did a good lap in the F1ndia car. Maybe a fuel burn run, but he did the most laps in the day, good work so far!
That doesn't make sense, if that were indeed the case, Ferrari wouldn't have allowed Irvine to win in Malaysia.
What cost Irvine the Championship, was frequent poor performances and mistakes.
Though I do agree that Ferrari would've preferred Schumacher to win the Championship over Irvine, the suggestion that they would've preferred Häkkinen winning in preference to Irvine is just...
Mika made extraordinarily hard work of winning the title, with an extraordinary car that season.
As for that Red Bull... looks like the stern from the Titanic.
it was only one race.
irvine did make some mistakes but was within a shout at the end.
ferrari and MS put a good face on it. so good, in fact, that they seem to have fooled you.
...Of two. Or 50%.
And a further two races if you include Germany and Belgium where team orders assisted Irvine greatly.
So... in your opinion what exactly should Ferrari and Schumacher have done in the final 2 races?
MS, never should have come back in '99. he waits until the '00 season. let irvine fight it out. as it is either way it doesn't matter. you have your opinion and i have mine. do want you to keep saying the same thing over and over?
But why?
Though as I stated above he didn't want to come back. He was ordered to by the then boss of Ferrari.
Honestly, I'm failing to see what difference not having Schumacher would've made?
Other than had he not returned then Irvine would've been even further out of contention in the Championship after Malaysia because he simply didn't have the pace to win without the aid of Schumacher and team orders (and in all probability would've finished 4th or below, with a Häkkinen win). And Ferrari would've lost the Constructors Championship too.
Japan's a moot point, because Irvine simply wasn't in contention regardless of whether Schumacher was on the grid or not, hence why he finished a minute and a half behind. Had Irvine actually been on the pace, and had Schumacher been leading, after Malaysia I have no doubt that Schumacher would've relinquished the lead had that been required.
Indeed, but I'm trying to attempt to make mine a well reasoned and rationale one. If you disagree without it, that's fine.
I'm only interested in why you're of your opinion that's all.
i am sure ferrari wanted MS back to keep irvine from winning. they paid a lot of money to have MS win the title not EI. it was clear eddie could beat salo often enough. even though salo had the better of him @hockenheim (sp?).
MS pulling over in malaysia made me start to like him again. ever since that i have slowly gotten around to thinking he is all right.
i don't have any true hard facts other that i simply don't/didn't trust them(the whole lot @ferrari).
and on another topic sort of...frentzen was the driver of the year in '99 in my book. he was as close to the title as anyone ... for a while anyway.
MS pulling over in malaysia made me start to like him again. ever since that i have slowly gotten around to thinking he is all right.
i don't have any true hard facts other that i simply don't/didn't trust them(the whole lot @ferrari).
and on another topic sort of...frentzen was the driver of the year in '99 in my book. he was as close to the title as anyone ... for a while anyway.
Red Bull gives you wings!
And the winner for ugliest F1 car goes to...
F1 cars have seriously lost their refined elegance recently.
PS: How to you just get the thumbnail to show? I've been here 6 yrs but I still haven't properly worked that out.
And the winner for ugliest F1 car goes to...
F1 cars have seriously lost their refined elegance recently.
PS: How to you just get the thumbnail to show? I've been here 6 yrs but I still haven't properly worked that out.
the cars are beginning to look like airplanes...
I wouldn't mind if thy were starting to look like Concordes but Sopwith Camels? Biplanes?
Honda have tried out the McLaren / BMW style bull horns today on the final day of the Barcelona test. It looks like they are slowly building up the aero package on the car and it is looking a bit better.
But they have gone with the flat rear win compared to the heavily sculpted version from a few days ago, maybe doing a back-to-back on the setups.
But they have gone with the flat rear win compared to the heavily sculpted version from a few days ago, maybe doing a back-to-back on the setups.
Would you sack someone with such in-depth knowledge of the Ferrari?
Also of note today Force India F1 (or whatever they are called) unveiled their new car for 2008:
Didn't Force India unveil their car at Autosport International? It was one of the main things publicised on the Autosport International website.
McLaren really are very sneaky.
Under the rules of the FIA if a team finishes last in the previous years championship then they get car numbers to reflect their position which will mean McLaren run with 22 and 23, which they are. Now that also means that they have to use the garage at the end of the pit lane (and the smallest). But McLaren have spat their dummy out at that prospect and have now been moved to the 5th garage (the last of the 'big' garages). This means that they can now use their mini Paragon at all the European races.
All of a sudden the FIA are sucking-up to McLaren, they have given them a better pit-box and then they have launched the anti-racism campaign.
Under the rules of the FIA if a team finishes last in the previous years championship then they get car numbers to reflect their position which will mean McLaren run with 22 and 23, which they are. Now that also means that they have to use the garage at the end of the pit lane (and the smallest). But McLaren have spat their dummy out at that prospect and have now been moved to the 5th garage (the last of the 'big' garages). This means that they can now use their mini Paragon at all the European races.
All of a sudden the FIA are sucking-up to McLaren, they have given them a better pit-box and then they have launched the anti-racism campaign.
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