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2008 MLB Season

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2008/06/the_willie_is_f.html#more

i've been reading some of the comments, and it's just hilarious on there. i think omar is becoming the mets' version of isiah, making dumb moves in the office (getting all of the hispanic players, creating a clubhouse disaster), etc. but as long as they stink, chipper will beat on them for a few more years and i think our main rivals will probably become the marlins or phillies after some years of bad baseball in flushing.

i'll report back around 5 pm about how the resident mets fan is taking the firing. cowherd already said the mets are a clown franchise...;)
 
^It is not going to be very pretty around my parts I can tell you that right now. It's all we're talking about in the office.

The papers are going to slam the Mets tomorrow.
 
Teh Don Ditty said:
I'm sorry, what the Mets did to Willie was absolutely classless. You don't fly him out to California only to fire him after one game.
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I agree. He could have been more agressive but he didn't deserve this.

What's even worse, just watching the news and they are putting a racial spin on it. Willie Randolph, the first African American manager in NY... WTF does his race have to do with any of this. Effin media sucks.
 
rdowns said:
I agree. He could have been more agressive but he didn't deserve this.

What's even worse, just watching the news and they are putting a racial spin on it. Willie Randolph, the first African American manager in NY... WTF does his race have to do with any of this. Effin media sucks.
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willie was a bad manager. period.

MacNut said:
A lot of the race spin came from Omar.
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who wants a all hispanic team apparently, and it's putting a rift in that clubhouse. expect nothing but clown music from them anytime soon.

btw, listening to the local mets dope, he says that he's embarrassed to be a met fan right now because they are becoming a mickey mouse org like the clippers or the knicks. he says everyone will be laughing at them for a long time to come...and it's not going to be fun to be the mets rival if they suck too much, we'll have to find a new rival.
 
rdowns said:
I agree. He could have been more agressive but he didn't deserve this.

What's even worse, just watching the news and they are putting a racial spin on it. Willie Randolph, the first African American manager in NY... WTF does his race have to do with any of this. Effin media sucks.
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I also agree. It was a spineless move by Los Mets.

I unfortunately believe that race does have something to do with this. I don't mean the firing. I mean between Willie and the Latin ball players.

It truly disgusts me that I had to say that, but that's what it's looking like.
 
Teh Don Ditty said:
And they are absolutely right. It was an absolutely classless act. Regardless if you felt Willie should be canned, you don't do it they way the Mets did. Totally unprofessional.
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Now that WFAN streams online, you should have heard both the talk show hosts and callers today--both agreed that regardless of your position on Randolph, the cowardly way the Mets sacked him will leave a really bad taste in a lot of people for months, if not years, to come.

The Mets have just become the laughingstock of MLB. :rolleyes:
 
SactoGuy18 said:
Now that WFAN streams online, you should have heard both the talk show hosts and callers today--both agreed that regardless of your position on Randolph, the cowardly way the Mets sacked him will leave a really bad taste in a lot of people for months, if not years, to come.

The Mets have just become the laughingstock of MLB. :rolleyes:
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Mike and Dog were killing Omar today when they talked to him.
 
SactoGuy18 said:
Now that WFAN streams online, you should have heard both the talk show hosts and callers today--both agreed that regardless of your position on Randolph, the cowardly way the Mets sacked him will leave a really bad taste in a lot of people for months, if not years, to come.

The Mets have just become the laughingstock of MLB. :rolleyes:
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I have my friend talking about it, I'm sure it's pretty much all the same.

Just like the Knicks are of the NBA and the Isles of the NHL. Notice that all the teams have similar colors.

SactoGuy18 said:
Why wait that long? The web sites for the various New York City metro area newspapers (including those in New Jersey!) are already full of stories and blog posts ripping the Mets' management to confetti and smaller pieces. And deservedly so, too. :mad:
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I know they're not waiting that long. I'm just saying, tomorrow's paper will be a continuation of the slam-a-thon. It could be a special pull out section for christ sake.

pachyderm said:
i wish you were right but i bet one of them will find a way to buy themselves in... :rolleyes:
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Perhaps, but as a Yankee fan I don't think so.
 
5 in a row, Giambi 2 HR's A-Rod 1.

The Boston Red Sox got good, bad and so-so news regarding their pitching staff on Tuesday.

While Boston placed Bartolo Colon on the 15-day DL because of lower back stiffness, the team does expect Daisuke Matsuzaka to rejoin the rotation Saturday. Meanwhile, injured right-hander Curt Schilling was sent back to Boston for an examination with team doctors.

Colon (4-2, 4.09 ERA) was injured Monday taking a swing during an at-bat against Phillies starter Cole Hamels. Colon left after five innings because of the stiffness.

"He has a history of issues, that's why we're being somewhat cautious," manager Terry Francona said before Boston's 3-0 defeat of the Philadelphia Phillies. "We would like to have him for the whole year and not just have him, but have him be productive and healthy."

Boston recalled righty Chris Smith from Triple-A Pawtucket to take Colon's spot.

With Colon on his way out, Dice-K appears to be on his way in.

Francona said Matsuzaka was set to start Saturday against St. Louis. Matsuzaka (8-0, 2.53 ERA) allowed two runs and three hits over five innings in a rehab start for Triple-A Pawtucket on Monday night, his first game action since straining his rotator cuff last month.

Schilling is a whole different story.

On the 60-day DL since spring training with shoulder weakness, Schilling will head back to Boston to have his shoulder examined by medical director Dr. Thomas Gill. Francona said Schilling had reached a "little bit a plateau" in his recovery.

"It's been a frustrating week for him," Francona said.

Also, first baseman Kevin Youkilis didn't start for the second straight game because of muscle spasms in the middle of his back. Youkilis said he felt tight and hoped to be ready for Wednesday. But Francona said he might rest Youkilis one more day, especially with the Red Sox off on Thursday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3449301
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SactoGuy18 said:
Now that WFAN streams online, you should have heard both the talk show hosts and callers today--both agreed that regardless of your position on Randolph, the cowardly way the Mets sacked him will leave a really bad taste in a lot of people for months, if not years, to come.

The Mets have just become the laughingstock of MLB. :rolleyes:
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try all of american sports...:cool: and the local yakker down here in ny's sixth burrow said pretty much the same thing and that it's back to the joke of the mets with the mets becoming a circus.

SactoGuy18 said:
Why wait that long? The web sites for the various New York City metro area newspapers (including those in New Jersey!) are already full of stories and blog posts ripping the Mets' management to confetti and smaller pieces. And deservedly so, too. :mad:
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they should. soon, the mets are going to be too embarrassing to beat, and we'll have to find new rivals for my braves.

Teh Don Ditty said:
Just like the Knicks are of the NBA and the Isles of the NHL. Notice that all the teams have similar colors.
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that's very interesting...and all are in new york.
 
Teh Don Ditty said:
I have my friend talking about it, I'm sure it's pretty much all the same.

Just like the Knicks are of the NBA and the Isles of the NHL. Notice that all the teams have similar colors.



I know they're not waiting that long. I'm just saying, tomorrow's paper will be a continuation of the slam-a-thon. It could be a special pull out section for christ sake.



Perhaps, but as a Yankee fan I don't think so.

Teh Don Ditty
Just like the Knicks are of the NBA and the Isles of the NHL. Notice that all the teams have similar colors.
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yankees especially underachieving right now. i bet they are the wild card... ;)

i actually like seeing the isles do well. one of the best logos in the nhl... :apple:
 
I'm still fuming about this. What's amazing is how every coherent person continues to point out that this team is built around players who were superstars a few years ago. How Randolph had the second highest win percentage of any Mets manager ever and how - as the Celtics proved last night - consistency in a team can be paramount. How the timing of this comes across as nothing less than a knee-jerk reaction to fans who are relatively clueless and quick-trigger boobirds.

How is this season not Omar Minaya's fault more so than Willie? And since when is being 6.5 back with more than half the season left, while having won 3 of your last 4, a fire-able offense? How many back were the Phillies at this point last year?

I'll say it again, I think Minaya got a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for bringing in Santana (0-3 in his last 3 starts) and he just cashed it in to divert attention away from his mistakes.
 
There has always been a debate about the DH, for and against, good and bad. Not using the Hank argument. What are the pros and cons of the DH.

First of all lets look at who uses the DH in baseball, every league in the world other than the NL. Is the NL behind the curve or the only league playing "real baseball". To say that it ruined the sport we could argue the same about the 3 point shot in basketball. Did that ruin the sport or make it better.

Is it worth it to have a pitcher hit. Does it make the game better or does having 9 real hitters improve the game.
 
Teh Don Ditty said:
^We might need a spin off thread for this lol
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HAA, true I was thinking that.

Here is what wiki says.
The rationale for the designated hitter rule is that, with a few exceptions — most notably Babe Ruth, who began his career as a pitcher with the Boston Red Sox — pitchers are usually weak hitters who ordinarily perform once every four or five games. The designated hitter idea was first floated by Philadelphia Athletics manager Connie Mack in 1906.[9] In the late 1920's, National League president John Heydler made a number of attempts to introduce a 10th man designated hitter as a way to speed up the game, and almost convinced National League clubs to agree to try it during spring training in 1929.[9] However, momentum to implement the DH did not pick up until the pitching dominance of the late 1960’s. In 1968, Denny McLain won 31 games and Bob Gibson had a 1.12 ERA, while Carl Yastrzemski led the American League in hitting with a .301 average. After the season, the rules were changed to lower the mound from 15 to 10 inches and change the upper limit of the strike zone from the top of a batter's shoulders to his armpits. In addition, in 1969 spring training, both the American League and National League agreed to try the designated pinch hitter (DPH), but they did not agree on the implementation. Most NL teams chose not to participate. On March 6, 1969, two games utilized the new DPH rule for the very first time. Two newly formed expansion teams, the Montreal Expos and the Kansas City Royals would participate in one such game, and the New York Yankees and Washington Senators in the other. On March 26, 1969, Major League Baseball nixed the idea for the time being. Like other experimental baseball rule changes of the 1960's and 70's, the DH was embraced by Oakland A's owner Charlie O. Finley. On January 11, 1973, Finley and the other American League owners voted 8-4 to approve the designated hitter for a three-year trial run.[9]
On April 6, 1973, Ron Blomberg of the New York Yankees became the first designated hitter in Major League Baseball history, facing Boston Red Sox right-handed pitcher Luis Tiant in his first plate appearance. "Boomer" Blomberg was walked.
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Baseball purists, and fans of the no-DH National League, argue that use of the designated hitter destroys the symmetry of the game. When the pitcher bats, all nine players take turns at the plate and in the field. With the DH, there are, effectively, three different classes of players, distinctly separating pitchers from other fielders and designated hitters. The use of the DH introduces an element of offensive and defensive specialization more akin to American football.
While the DH is batting in what would be the lineup spot for the pitcher, the pitcher may be inserted into another spot in the lineup when the DH role is terminated, inconsistent with the principle that a player's position in the lineup is fixed for the entire game.
The designated hitter rule also changes manager strategy in late innings. Traditionally, a manager must decide when to let a pitcher bat or remove him, as well as who to pinch-hit with and where or if that player should take the field afterward. When the decision to remove a pitcher is made, the manager may also elect to double switch, delaying the new pitcher's turn at bat.
On the opposite side, a manager in a close game may have to choose whether or not to pitch around a DH in the late innings, possibly granting an intentional base on balls to avoid a potentially hard-hitting slugger in place of a relatively weak pitcher, while an NL manager will not have to choose whether or not to give up a base runner (and the associated wear and tear on his pitcher's arm) to avoid a DH.
Advocates of the DH[10] [11] point to the fact that it has extended many careers, and, in a few cases, created long, productive careers for players who are weak fielders or have a history of injuries, such as Edgar Martínez. Moreover, Hall of Fame members George Brett, Carl Yastrzemski, and Paul Molitor were able to extend their prolific careers by a few years as designated hitters. Dick Stuart, a notoriously poor fielder, played before there was a DH rule. Critics of the DH reply that creating or extending the careers of poor fielders is not necessarily a good thing, because they say it merely promotes 'batting cage' players whose only real skill is their ability to swing the bat.
Fans of the DH[who?] rule argue that pitchers are able to play deeper into games than they otherwise might, by removing the manager's incentive to remove a pitcher from play in order to attain a short-term offensive advantage, and that since a pitcher's typical offensive "contribution" is at best to get out and at worst as a rally-killing double or triple play, it improves the play of the game to remove an "easy out" player from the batting order (AL fans also point out that the only baseball strategy removed by the addition of the designated hitter is the double switch; if anything, modern AL baseball with its dizzying array of specialist pitchers and batting styles is much more complex than baseball before 1973). Some National League baseball fans also claim that the designated hitter encourages beanball wars by removing the pitcher from the batting order, where he might be subject to retaliation.
Another perspective[who?] is that there is a significant difference in the preparation required between hitting and pitching. A pitcher is quickly worn down by his position and can only start every 4-5 days or pitch 1-2 innings of relief for 2-3 consecutive days. Sports like basketball, football, hockey, and soccer offer no equivalent where one position is much more physically taxing than all others. A hitter hits better when he is able to play regularly and fine tune his swing, judgment of the strike zone, and comfort with different pitchers and pitches. This is especially important early in hitters' careers and hitters who could be valuable to their major league club as reserves are often kept in the minors so they can play every day and develop their skills. Pitchers need rest, hitters need reps. Occasionally a pitcher can be effective on short rest in the playoffs or an NL pitcher or pinch hitter who only appears once every five games can post good statistics with limited at bats, but those are not common. Even most full time pinch hitters or utility players are former major or minor league regulars who had years to develop their hitting skills. The DH rule does not just extend the careers of aging sluggers, it also saves pitchers from the overwhelming difficulty of being asked to perform the task of batting with 8 batters who bat about 5 times as often.
There is considerable debate over whether the designated hitter rule should be continued.[10][11] Some [10]have even argued that the National League should adopt it full time. There are also fans who enjoy the fact that the different leagues use different rules, arguing that there should be some differences between the American and National Leagues and the Designated hitter is a fine example of that. Two generations of fans of American League teams have grown up with the Designated Hitter rule being in place, and for them, the DH is as much a traditional part of baseball as the pitcher batting is for fans of National League teams.
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JD Drew is ****in owning. 4-5, HR, 3RBI today.

Last 16 games: .407, 1.566 OPS, 8 HR, 17 RBI, 20 R
 
A.L.
Boston- 46 29 .613 -
Tampa Bay- 42 29 .592 2.0
NY Yankees- 39 33 .542 5.5
Baltimore- 36 34 .514 7.5:eek: wow!
Toronto- 35 38 .479 10.0
 
SEATTLE -- John McLaren was fired Thursday as manager of the Seattle Mariners, who began the season with playoff aspirations and now have the worst record in the major leagues.

Bench coach Jim Riggleman will run the Mariners for the rest of their lost season, beginning Friday night in Atlanta.

The Mariners made the announcement before the team left on its road trip and three days after general manager Bill Bavasi was fired. McLaren was the second manager in the majors to be fired this season -- the New York Mets dismissed Willie Randolph this week.

In 156 games over two seasons with McLaren as manager, the Mariners were 68-88. Entering Thursday, Seattle, which many observers thought had the talent to compete for the American League West, was last in the division with a 25-47 record -- 17½ games back in a four-team division.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3452336
 
MacNut said:
SEATTLE -- John McLaren was fired Thursday as manager of the Seattle Mariners, who began the season with playoff aspirations and now have the worst record in the major leagues.

Bench coach Jim Riggleman will run the Mariners for the rest of their lost season, beginning Friday night in Atlanta.

The Mariners made the announcement before the team left on its road trip and three days after general manager Bill Bavasi was fired. McLaren was the second manager in the majors to be fired this season -- the New York Mets dismissed Willie Randolph this week.

In 156 games over two seasons with McLaren as manager, the Mariners were 68-88. Entering Thursday, Seattle, which many observers thought had the talent to compete for the American League West, was last in the division with a 25-47 record -- 17½ games back in a four-team division.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3452336
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Because it was his fault. Or maybe it was the over-hype people brought onto them. Did people really believe Bedard was going to turn this team around?
 
Schilling to have surgery, done for season, possibly career

BOSTON -- Red Sox right-hander Curt Schilling announced in a radio interview on Friday morning that he will have shoulder surgery on Monday, and thus, won't have a 2008 season.
In fact, the 216-game winner -- who helped the Diamondbacks win the World Series in 2001 before playing a key role in title runs by the Red Sox in 2004 and 2007 -- might very well never throw another pitch.

"There's a pretty decent chance that I've thrown my last pitch, forever," Schilling told WEEI-850 AM in Boston. "I'm going in to make it not hurt anymore, which is pretty much all I care about."

However, Schilling did leave open the possibility of pitching again in 2009 or beyond if he can make a strong-enough recovery after surgery. He can be a free agent after this season.

"I don't want it to end this way, but if this is the way it has to end, I'm OK with that," said Schilling.
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Red Sox

It's too bad that he might not ever pitch again, but I'm happy with the last memory of Curt pitching in a game will be him walking off the mound and tipping his hat to the crowd in Game 2 of the 2007 World Series.

Probably a future hall of famer, and one of the best postseason pitchers ever.
 
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