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2008 MLB Season

achie25 said:
Everyone is going to be chasing the Tigers this year. That lineup is scary! :eek: Just need the bullpen to be halfway decent.

How would you like to be an opposing pitcher?!
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cf granderson .302
2b polanco .341
3b cabrera .320
dh sheffield .265
rf ordonez .363
1b guillen .296
ss renteria .332
c rodriguez .281
lf jones .285

lh rogers 3-4
rh verlander 18-6
rh bonderman 11-9
lh robertson 9-13
lh dontrelle willis 10-15

rlf rh jones 38 svs

if rogers can rebound, he is over 40, or robertson can get above .500 in the win column...dontrelle won 10 on a bad marlins team. they could be very good.
 
Manny Has Arrived

Manny Ramirez has been spotted at Sox camp in Fort Myers, keeping his word that he would show up to spring training on time.

He arrived in a white Cadillac Escalade, stayed for about a half hour, and then left.
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Boston Globe

wow.. first time in a long time that he showed up on time.
 
As long as my Mets don't fold like last year it will be a good year. I don't think i could take another ending like last year. :eek:
 
sellitman said:
As long as my Mets don't fold like last year it will be a good year. I don't think i could take another ending like last year. :eek:
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ss reyes .280
2b castillo .296
3b wright .325
cf beltran .276
1b delgado .258
lf alou .341
rf church .272
c schneider .235

anemic compared to the tigers......
 
if batting average were a proxy for runs scored, your point might be valid.

Let's try runs created instead, which should still favor the Tigers, but at least is more accurate.

cf granderson 124.5
2b polanco 103.2
3b cabrera 126.2
dh sheffield 92.1
rf ordonez 140.6
1b guillen 97.8
ss renteria 87.3
c rodriguez 55.9
lf jones 58.0

Tigers total: 885.6

ss reyes 112.2
2b castillo 77.1
3b wright 138.4
cf beltran 107.1
1b delgado 80.9
lf alou 62.4
rf church 74.5
c schneider 45.4

Total NYM: 698 runs created

So with the Tigers sporting 9 batters and the mets using 8, the difference is 187.6. Take away about 100 runs created for the DH and we're down to 87 runs created, which can easily be made up by players having a full season of AB or regaining form or Tigers players regressing to their career means.

Now factor in ordonez having a career year, polanco having a career year, alou having only 328 AB, delgado having one of the worst years of his career, ryan church only having 470 ab, Renteria with a history of not playing his best ball in the American League and also coming off a year where he batted roughly 40 points above his career average and his OB% was 51 points above his career average, I think you'll see some regression there.

All that being said, these offenses are far more equal than the casual observation might reveal.
 
pachyderm said:
while both potent, i'd still go with the batting averages.
that means on base more, that means more runs driven in...
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I will politely point out that you couldn't be more mistaken.

Why?

average is built into the RC formula.

There are some different versions, but here is the basic idea:

Runs created

[(H + BB + HBP - CS - GIDP) times (Total bases + .26[BB - IBB + HBP] + .52[SH + SF + SB])] divided by (AB + BB + HBP + SH+ SF)

So as you can see, hits and AB are accounted for, which is all batting average is.

Runs created just takes it to another level because batting average in actual baseball just is not a very good measure of how runs are scored.

If you did nothing else but use OBP instead of BA or even OPS instead of BA you'd come closer.
 
Sobe said:
I will politely point out that you couldn't be more mistaken.

Why?

average is built into the RC formula.

There are some different versions, but here is the basic idea:

Runs created

[(H + BB + HBP - CS - GIDP) times (Total bases + .26[BB - IBB + HBP] + .52[SH + SF + SB])] divided by (AB + BB + HBP + SH+ SF)

So as you can see, hits and AB are accounted for, which is all batting average is.

Runs created just takes it to another level because batting average in actual baseball just is not a very good measure of how runs are scored.

If you did nothing else but use OBP instead of BA or even OPS instead of BA you'd come closer.
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and i will politely point out that you likewise are just as mistaken if not more so...
get on base and we will knock you in...
 
Sobe said:
Now factor in ordonez having a career year, polanco having a career year, alou having only 328 AB, delgado having one of the worst years of his career, ryan church only having 470 ab, Renteria with a history of not playing his best ball in the American League and also coming off a year where he batted roughly 40 points above his career average and his OB% was 51 points above his career average, I think you'll see some regression there.

All that being said, these offenses are far more equal than the casual observation might reveal.
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I don't know that I'd bet on Alou continuing to defy Father Time for too much longer. And there's a pretty decent chance that Delgado's bad year will prove not to have been an aberration. He's a big, slow, 35-year-old, one-tool player, and that kind of player tends to age quickly. Although he might play better this season, it's at least as likely that he's had his last productive season.

pachyderm said:
and i will politely point out that you likewise are just as mistaken if not more so...
get on base and we will knock you in...
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Actually, it's been shown that batting average is not as good an indicator of offensive production. OB% is a much better measurement, but runs created takes into account how many ABs the player has had too, not just what he does with them.
 
rays getting new park in 2012

http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2008/02/with-the-roof-c.html

newstadium_2.jpg
 
I thought the Rays had a long term lease with Tropicana Field.

Of all the teams that need new parks the Rays and Marlins are the top 2.
 
aloofman said:
I don't know that I'd bet on Alou continuing to defy Father Time for too much longer. And there's a pretty decent chance that Delgado's bad year will prove not to have been an aberration. He's a big, slow, 35-year-old, one-tool player, and that kind of player tends to age quickly. Although he might play better this season, it's at least as likely that he's had his last productive season.



Actually, it's been shown that batting average is not as good an indicator of offensive production. OB% is a much better measurement, but runs created takes into account how many ABs the player has had too, not just what he does with them.
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i can tell you from firsthand experience that i'll take batting averages over any stat. get on and we'll knock you in...
 
pachyderm said:
i can tell you from firsthand experience that i'll take batting averages over any stat. get on and we'll knock you in...
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Wow, I didn't realize you'd won a batting title yourself! :rolleyes:

Saying, "No, I'm right and you're wrong" gets old fast and anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much. And "getting on" is measured by on-base percentage, not batting average. If you have any data to back up your assertion, I'd be happy to hear about it.
 
Batting averges are hard to keep up. Have a few good or bad weeks and the average will jump. I would rather see the hit list as a better way to judge a player. Hits and RBI's are much better IMO.
 
aloofman said:
Wow, I didn't realize you'd won a batting title yourself! :rolleyes:

Saying, "No, I'm right and you're wrong" gets old fast and anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much. And "getting on" is measured by on-base percentage, not batting average. If you have any data to back up your assertion, I'd be happy to hear about it.
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seems that's all either of us are doing... stating our opinion... put all the numbers up you want, call it what you want, either way one of us can always say, "it's because of this or that..." ;)

as a player and a coach i've had more success with putting the people who can hit/get on base up the top of the order. use any formula you want. i want folks who can hit and catch....;)
 
pachyderm said:
i can tell you from firsthand experience that i'll take batting averages over any stat. get on and we'll knock you in...
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lol, you pretty much contradict yourself in that statement.

if it's just "get on and we'll knock you in" then on-base percentage is more important than batting average, because it takes walks in to consideration
 
zioxide said:
lol, you pretty much contradict yourself in that statement.

if it's just "get on and we'll knock you in" then on-base percentage is more important than batting average, because it takes walks in to consideration
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batting average means you're getting hits. hits mean you're getting on base...as well as walks... but someone who gets hits after you is moving you along... it's more or less 6 of one half a dozen of the other...
 
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