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2008 MLB Season
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I really love the "Trade Manny NOW!" crowd. It's hilarious.
2008 MLB Leaders in WPA: (Win Probability Added is a technical baseball statistic which attempts to measure a player's win contribution by figuring how much each specific play he made altered the outcome of a game.)
1. Lance Berkman, Astros: 5.09
2. Pat Burrell, Phillies: 4.55
3. Manny Ramirez, Red Sox: 4.07
4. Jason Bay, Pirates: 4.03
5. Matt Holliday, Rockies: 3.80
6. Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 3.74
7. Albert Pujols, Cardinals: 3.36
8. Justin Morneau, Twins: 3.19
9. Carlos Lee, Astros: 2.95
10. Carlos Quentin, White Sox: 2.80
full leaderboard @ fangraphs
2008 MLB Leaders in WPA: (Win Probability Added is a technical baseball statistic which attempts to measure a player's win contribution by figuring how much each specific play he made altered the outcome of a game.)
1. Lance Berkman, Astros: 5.09
2. Pat Burrell, Phillies: 4.55
3. Manny Ramirez, Red Sox: 4.07
4. Jason Bay, Pirates: 4.03
5. Matt Holliday, Rockies: 3.80
6. Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 3.74
7. Albert Pujols, Cardinals: 3.36
8. Justin Morneau, Twins: 3.19
9. Carlos Lee, Astros: 2.95
10. Carlos Quentin, White Sox: 2.80
full leaderboard @ fangraphs
Correction, without Manny and Ortiz healthy, the Red Sox are not making the playoffs. I dare you to make that pink hat comment to my cousins that have been following the team for 60 plus years and get their response. Manny is a great hitter yes, but he is also a cancer to the team. I bet you the rest of the clubhouse is not happy with it either. They will not say it publicly but I bet they are not amused by his antics. There is no "I" in team and all Manny is about is himself at this point.
Well said. Manny is a cancer, and will be until he grows up and/or gets over himself. His offense comes at a cost, and at some point that cost will be too much, to both the team and the fans.
lets. go. brew. ers. bang. bang, bangbangbang!!!
first place cubs suck woohooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
first place cubs suck woohooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh what a terrible loss
yeah I really wish the mets could have made the come back
Wow... your signature needs a warning to epileptics.
lol... yeah no black background
I don't know much about this player. Any Cleveland fans out there who can give me the heads up on Blake?
Maybe, but right now the worse cancer on the team is the bottom 3rd of the order, who are pretty much guaranteed outs.
I'll take Manny with his little quirks and occasionally acting retarded if he's putting up .300/30hr/100rbi with a .932 OPS and the 3rd highest WPA in all of MLB.
The only thing that pissed me off that he did was when he had the altercation with Jack McCormick. The Youk incident was nothing.. if it would have happened in the clubhouse instead of the dugout, it wouldn't have mattered at all.
He didn't "leave the bat on his shoulders and completely give up" in that at-bat against Rivera... that was one hall of famer fooling another hall of famer on 3 nasty pitches. He didn't fake an injury to get a couple days off... that's complete ********.
The worst thing the Red Sox could do right now would be to get rid of him. That's just going to make the team way worse.
Like I said, the real cancer on the team is bottom 3 and also the bullpen.
Tek in the last month: .156/.247/.219
Coco: .147/.310/.147
Ellsbury: .222/.260/.273
Lugo: .237/.302/.237
Just for comparison: Ramirez .364/.506/.621 1.127 OPS
The front office had this same "i'm sick of this player" ******** before they got rid of Nomar and Pedro.
From what I saw last year in the ALCS, he's pretty good. He's got a little bit of power, probably around 20HR a year (currently at 11). .289 with a .830 OPS is not jaw-dropping, but it's definitely solid.
Thanks, I'm also wondering about his defensive skills. I assume he's at least competent or the Dodgers would not have wanted him. I was also kind of surprised that the Indians were willing to cover the balance of his salary for the year. Makes it look like they were in a hurry to dump him.
It's hard to take any Dodger trade rumors involving Teixeira or Maddux seriously, at least if it involves them giving up anything of consequence. I assume given his years of service that Teixeira is on the verge of free agency, and Maddux is playing out the very end of his career and has not been tremendously effective this year.
He won't have to grow up or get over himself until he's not making a bloated paycheck to do what he does. What's the incentive?
As an Indians fan, I was glad to see him go. I was disappointed he didn't give Boston the same lackluster performance in post season play he did the Indians.
'Cancer' implies he's somehow bad for the team and making the team worse as a whole. This just isn't true. The Red Sox wouldn't have won either of those two championships without Manny. This stuff gets blown way out of proportion.
I think you are giving Manny to much credit. The fact is without Ortiz the Red Sox would not have won those games. They pitch around Ortiz and face Manny. I think he is bad for the team. He is not classy and is pulling the team apart from the inside out. We don't know what goes on in the clubhouse but Im sure the talk there is that Manny needs to grow up.
On another note, is this game going to play tonight? We have been getting bad storms here all day and I think they are moving into Boston now.
No that's not actually a fact. But yes, they're both great. Certainly not cancerous.
Also- the doppler looks like the rain should be through by 8, or soon thereafter. I'm sure they'll play.
didn't you just completely contradict yourself here?
David Ortiz is only a good hitter because he's been protected by Manny Ramirez. He wouldn't put up half his numbers if he wasn't.
Manny was a hall of famer before he started playing with Ortiz.. Ortiz was a nobody until he started playing with Manny.
As for tonights game, Lester stepped up huge again. He's the ****ing man.
I'm scratching my head to that one too.Why the hell did the Yankees sign Richie Sexson?
That is exactly what I'm implying. It's all conjecture, to be sure. Neither you or I know what Boston could be without his negative presence, neither you or I know who Boston could have in his place if they were paying a portion of his salary to another player, and neither you or I are fully aware of how much he is disliked throughout the organization considering most of his Red Sox colleagues have some class and aren't bad mouthing him.
And also, I'm not talking about the World Championship Red Sox teams, I'm talking about this year. This year when Manny has assaulted members of the organization, potentially exaggerated injuries, badmouthed his team and a myriad of other distracting antics... all while the BoSox are in second place and only two games over the Yankees.
I'm not huge Boston fan, and certainly not a Boston hater, but the majority of the long time fans that I know want him gone. And I think his "being tired of Boston" rant yesterday is more than a little telling as well.
Posada to shut season down, have surgery on right shoulder
NEW YORK -- Jorge Posada will have season-ending surgery on his right shoulder, ending his attempt to return to the New York Yankees' lineup for the team's playoff push.
The All-Star catcher has struggled with shoulder pain most of the season, weakening his throws and limiting his playing time behind the plate.
On the disabled list for the second time this year, Posada was trying to rehabilitate his shoulder enough to come back as a DH or first baseman this season. But after the Yankees acquired slugger Xavier Nady in a trade with Pittsburgh on Saturday, they decided it was best for Posada to have surgery, general manager Brian Cashman said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3508726
NEW YORK -- Jorge Posada will have season-ending surgery on his right shoulder, ending his attempt to return to the New York Yankees' lineup for the team's playoff push.
The All-Star catcher has struggled with shoulder pain most of the season, weakening his throws and limiting his playing time behind the plate.
On the disabled list for the second time this year, Posada was trying to rehabilitate his shoulder enough to come back as a DH or first baseman this season. But after the Yankees acquired slugger Xavier Nady in a trade with Pittsburgh on Saturday, they decided it was best for Posada to have surgery, general manager Brian Cashman said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3508726