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2008 MLB Season

IJ Reilly said:
Teixeira has some sock for sure, but his career average isn't all that impressive. Still a tough out. Everybody will have a chance to sign him next year, when he can demand huge bucks and a long contract.
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As often happens, batting average doesn't tell Teixeira's full story. Good OBP, very good slugging, lots of extra-base hits. IIRC, he's a Boras client, and he'll be seeking a $200+ million contract in a few months. So at this point I'm sure the Angels are considering him a rental.

It's not so much the lack of a big bat that's the Dodgers' problem right now. It's that too many roster spots are filled with players that are underachieving. Jones especially is a monumental waste. Kent, Nomar, and Pierre aren't earning their paychecks either. This was all predictable. Unfortunately, there aren't many potential solutions other than overpaying for someone or hoping the kids hit better.
 
aloofman said:
As often happens, batting average doesn't tell Teixeira's full story. Good OBP, very good slugging, lots of extra-base hits. IIRC, he's a Boras client, and he'll be seeking a $200+ million contract in a few months. So at this point I'm sure the Angels are considering him a rental.

It's not so much the lack of a big bat that's the Dodgers' problem right now. It's that too many roster spots are filled with players that are underachieving. Jones especially is a monumental waste. Kent, Nomar, and Pierre aren't earning their paychecks either. This was all predictable. Unfortunately, there aren't many potential solutions other than overpaying for someone or hoping the kids hit better.
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As I said, a tough out (high OBP by another name). Still, a team has to consider what they are giving up to rent a marquee player like Teixeira.

You won't get any argument about the value of Jones from any Dodger fan. (When we think they could have had Aaron Rowand.) Kent is 40, and playing pretty well for a guy his age in his last season. Nomar is obviously injured a lot, but that's his history, and he makes an impact when healthy. I know you're never going to like Pierre, but I think he earns his keep in ways that are hard to capture in statistics.
 
The Sox would need a lot more than one young player in return for Manny. They need production, whether it's from him, or whoever they trade for.

The Dodgers are definitely in better position than the Mets though.

zioxide said:
Meanwhile, the ****wit fans continue to cheer endlessly for Ellsbury even when he strikes out with the bases loaded.
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At least there have been fewer people calling into WEEI making up stuff about Crisp. Back in May, people were saying he was a .250 hitter, when he's never hit below .260 for a season, and even that was his rookie year. Plus, he set career highs for walks, stolen bases, and triples last year. and strikeouts too, but still well under 100 People will just have to accept that right now, neither one of them is getting it done offensively.

How Ellsbury is still leading the AL in SB when he hasn't had one in nearly a month is beyond me.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Kent is 40, and playing pretty well for a guy his age in his last season. Nomar is obviously injured a lot, but that's his history, and he makes an impact when healthy. I know you're never going to like Pierre, but I think he earns his keep in ways that are hard to capture in statistics.
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I didn't mean they didn't have value, just that they aren't playing well enough compared to how much of the payroll they take up.
 
aloofman said:
I didn't mean they didn't have value, just that they aren't playing well enough compared to how much of the payroll they take up.
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I think that's a difficult proposition to defend. For instance, Pierre is getting $7.5 million a year. What do you get on the free agent market for that kind of money? A journeyman pitcher -- maybe? Kent is making about $9 million. Same question. Nomar about $8.5 million. Same question.

These days, free agents under about $10 million a year are not franchise, or even headline, players. Those guys are demanding, and getting, far more.
 
MacNut said:
Will they be able to afford him though.
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@$200 million...?

Doubtful. But, I have no idea on the contracts(length,moneys involved) on the existing core of the team. I'd rather keep Vlad and Anderson and a few others before worrying about him. I Agree with those of us who say he is a "rental".
 
MacNut said:
One camera whore for another, sounds fair.:p
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Well, we do have a lot of cameras around these parts, thanks in part to the New England Patriots. :D So he'd probably fit right in. His OF arm would be ****ing nasty too. No sac flys with him in LF.
 
zioxide said:
Well, we do have a lot of cameras around these parts, thanks in part to the New England Patriots. :D So he'd probably fit right in. His OF arm would be ****ing nasty too. No sac flys with him in LF.
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But every year you would hear him bitch about wanting to retire then change his mind and wanting to come back around spring training.
 
Astro's are playing the spoiler role pretty well these days, which sadly is all we have to look forward to. I'm excited to see how the Angels go after this big trade, and if it pans out for them. People around here are really talking it up.
 
gauchogolfer said:
With Posada gone for the season it makes sense, but I'm not sure how much he'll really contribute at this point in his career. Didn't they get one of the Catching Molina Brothers™ already?
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Yeah, Jose was their backup catcher at the start of the season and has been starting since Posada got hurt with Chad Moeller as his backup.

I guess Pudge will be the starter, Molina the packup, and Moeller will be released.
 
Counterfit said:
The Dodgers are definitely in better position than the Mets though.
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The Dodgers can have him. If the Mets take him it would only be to do something even dumber than the way they handled firing Willie. Of course that is just my wishful thinking... :rolleyes:

swiftaw said:
Yeah, Jose was their backup catcher at the start of the season and has been starting since Posada got hurt with Chad Moeller as his backup.

I guess Pudge will be the starter, Molina the packup, and Moeller will be released.
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Is Pudge really still good enough to be the starter over Molina? Starter position may be up for grabs.

MacNut said:
Farnsworth has finally been doing good, I dunno.
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He is definitely fun to watch. I'm glad I got to see him pitch live.

For some reason I totally read "Joba" when you said Farnsworth. Ultimately I think the Yankees will be better off, even if just having unloaded him.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3511674&name=mlb_trade_deadline
Buster Olney said:
With less than 24 hours before the trade deadline, the Red Sox are engaged in serious conversations to trade Manny Ramirez to the Florida Marlins, as well as other teams. If the Red Sox make a deal with the Marlins, it is likely they would kick in money to offset Ramirez's salary, and they would look for three young players in return -- perhaps outfielder Jeremy Hermida or outfielder Josh Willingham, plus pitchers.
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IJ Reilly said:
I think that's a difficult proposition to defend. For instance, Pierre is getting $7.5 million a year. What do you get on the free agent market for that kind of money? A journeyman pitcher -- maybe? Kent is making about $9 million. Same question. Nomar about $8.5 million. Same question.

These days, free agents under about $10 million a year are not franchise, or even headline, players. Those guys are demanding, and getting, far more.
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I think it's an easy position to defend. Pierre is putting up similar numbers to Melky Cabrera, Carlos Gomez, Jeff Francoeur, Bobby Crosby, and Marco Scutaro. Most of them are too green to be eligible for free agency, so they're cheap. At this point a AAA callup (or a journeyman) could produce like Pierre for a fraction of the price.

Kent is hitting like Carl Crawford, Rickie Weeks, Mark Teahen, and Robinson Cano, none of whom make as much as Kent does, but certainly field and run better. Nomar has been hurt, I'll grant you, but the result for the team is the same.

I'm not saying it's the fault of the players that they make so much. They're taking what the Dodgers offered to pay them. I'm saying that right now they aren't good buys.
 
gauchogolfer said:
I'd be shocked if he actually goes anywhere, since it's a classic 3 quarters for a dollar trade. No way do they get real value for him.
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Listening to the Red Sox announcers you would think this was his last game.

Jon Heyman said:
Manny Ramirez is full of surprises, and Ramirez's next landing spot could be the biggest surprise of all.
The low-budget Florida Marlins are said to be at or near the top of the list of teams pursuing the embattled superstar, and some baseball people are suggesting that such a seemingly crazy scenario is starting to gain steam. Ramirez has said he wants out of Boston, and he might have a hard time saying no to the Marlins since he chooses to live in nearby Fort Lauderdale in the offseason.
The Philadelphia Phillies and Los Angeles Dodgers are among other teams talking to the Red Sox about a possible blockbuster for Ramirez in the hours leading up to Thursday's non-waiver trade deadline. Ramirez is believed willing to OK a trade to Philadelphia, as well, and some baseball people suspect Phillies GM Pat Gillick is more interested in Ramirez than he's letting on -- though a person familiar with the talks said their offers have been something less than overwhelming. The Dodgers may be willing to trade young outfield star Matt Kemp but are believed to be running third in the derby now.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/29/manny.dodgers/index.html?eref=T1
Posted by Jayson Stark

Officials from teams around the sport are beginning to hear details about the structure of the Manny Ramirez deal. According to one of them, the three players the Red Sox are seeking from the Marlins for Ramirez are Jeremy Hermida, pitcher Ryan Tucker and big-time outfield prospect Mike Stanton. However, the two sides also have discussed substituting Josh Willingham for Hermida.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3511823&name=mlb_trade_deadline
 
aloofman said:
I think it's an easy position to defend. Pierre is putting up similar numbers to Melky Cabrera, Carlos Gomez, Jeff Francoeur, Bobby Crosby, and Marco Scutaro. Most of them are too green to be eligible for free agency, so they're cheap. At this point a AAA callup (or a journeyman) could produce like Pierre for a fraction of the price.

Kent is hitting like Carl Crawford, Rickie Weeks, Mark Teahen, and Robinson Cano, none of whom make as much as Kent does, but certainly field and run better. Nomar has been hurt, I'll grant you, but the result for the team is the same.

I'm not saying it's the fault of the players that they make so much. They're taking what the Dodgers offered to pay them. I'm saying that right now they aren't good buys.
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Sorry, I don't buy the reasoning. For one, teams loaded with rookies rarely win anything -- and there's a reason for that. In fact, by your logic, no team should ever sign a multi-year deal with a free agent, or maybe even no deals at all. The teams takes the chance that the player won't perform as well in year one or two, let alone in year five, as they did before they were signed. The fact is, free agents can't be valued on their future performance, only on past performance.

The real problem with the Dodgers right now is essentially the same one they've faced all season: injuries. They had to go four deep to find someone to play third, three deep for a shortstop, and they've had probably ten pitchers in the starting rotation, so far -- a rotation which looked hard to beat in April.
 
The Cincinnati Reds are awaiting word from Ken Griffey Jr. on whether he'll accept a tentative trade to the Chicago White Sox.

The Reds approached Griffey on Wednesday night in Houston and asked if he would waive his contractual rights to accept a deal to the White Sox, according to a baseball source. Griffey has the right to veto any trade because he has 10 years of major league service time and five years with the Reds.

The Associated Press is reporting that according to a source, Griffey wants answers to a few questions unrelated to the contract.
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http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3512365
 
At the deadline, the Dodgers are apparently taking a look at Mark Grudzielanek and Mark Loretta to shore up the middle infield, and are also working with San Diego on a Greg Maddux deal.
 
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