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2009/10 College Football Thread

Tomorrow said:
Are you seriously suggesting that the MWC has played its way into a different echelon based on two - count 'em - TWO games, played in two different seasons?

I'll easily grant you that the MWC is one of the top 6 conferences in the country, especially given that the Big East doesn't have a single team ranked right now. But with all due respect, I'd like to see your "shot all to hell" (my words, not yours) argument be backed up by more than two (two! A whole two!) games played in two different seasons.

It's been said before, and I'll say it once again: until the MWC can negotiate deals with large-payout bowl games and play well in them consistently, then the BCS will not include that conference. The BCS came about because the bowls in question already had standing deals with the "big 6" conferences. I'm not convinced that the bowls will be in a rush to break those agreements just because a handful of MWC teams have won some games against "big 6" teams.
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I dunno, at this point, I would say the MWC is about as good as the Big East. I believed after the defections from the Big East to the ACC, the conference should have lost their automatic bid. Of course, as mediocre as the ACC has been the past couple of years, maybe they don't deserve it. :) And the pain continues this weekend for the ACC. Two teams lost to 1-AA (FCS, whatever) teams, Wake Forest lost to Baylor, and VA Tech had less than 200 yards of offense in a loss to Alabama. Ouch.
 
dukebound85 said:
Heres my plan ...
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In your scenario Utah and BYU would go to the PAC-10 before it went to the Big 12, simply because there wouldn't be a conference with 14 teams.

Of course regardless nothing will happen for a very long time. Heh.

I'm honestly okay with the fans of the "Big 6" not respecting Boise State, because ultimately they don't matter anyway. The voters are obviously giving us more and more respect, such as Boise State getting the highest pre-season ranking for a non-AQ school ever.

The conferences aren't going to change anytime soon, and the BCS isn't going to change ever. Heh. So I'm okay with Boise State continuing to grow and continuing to schedule at least one tough non-conference opponent every year to set up their season. The rest of the WAC isn't going to step up, so we just have to continue to dominate and take a shot at the at-large bid.

Just have to keep that money coming in to build the program. Ten years from now it might be different, but I'm not holding my breath. :)
 
Tomorrow said:
Are you seriously suggesting that the MWC has played its way into a different echelon based on two - count 'em - TWO games, played in two different seasons?

I'll easily grant you that the MWC is one of the top 6 conferences in the country, especially given that the Big East doesn't have a single team ranked right now. But with all due respect, I'd like to see your "shot all to hell" (my words, not yours) argument be backed up by more than two (two! A whole two!) games played in two different seasons.
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Utah ran the table last year, which was more than any other team can say.

Then BYU beats OU before they go through their "torturous" conference schedule.

Last year people said Bama didn't want to play in the sugar bowl, others said they lost because they were tired after playing the SEC schedule. Still they lost, and Utah finished #2.

This year OU hasn't played anyone yet, no excuses for them having to play in the Big 12 since they haven't played any games yet. Everyone wants to say we don't get how physical the Big 12 and SEC are. Then Bradford gets tackled and injured, and OU loses the game.

Sounds like the Big 12 could use a lesson in how physical the MWC can be.

SLC
 
When discussing team dominance it's important to use more than one or two seasons as a measuring stick.

Let's go back to 2002, since that's as far back as ESPN.com will go, and we'll use the AP Poll rankings at the end of every year.

2002
#5 - Oklahoma
#15 - Boise State
NR - Utah

2003
#3 - Oklahoma
#16 - Boise State
#21 - Utah

2004
#3 - Oklahoma
#4 - Utah
#12 - Boise State

2005
#22 - Oklahoma
NR - Boise State
NR - Utah

2006
#5 - Boise State
#11 - Oklahoma
NR - Utah

2007
#8 - Oklahoma
NR - Boise State
NR - Utah

2008
#2 - Utah
#5 - Oklahoma
#11 - Boise State


EDIT: Oklahoma has been ranked preseason every one of those years, and higher than any non-AQ school. Boise State gained a preseason rank in 2005, 2007 and 2009. Utah was ranked in 2004 and 2009 preseason.


I'll let you come to your own conclusions...
 
leomac08 said:
day-ummmmmmmm

the trojans (#4 in the nation) out run their opponent by over 500 yards!
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outrun? it was 342 vs 9 lol srill impressive

USC did outgain by 499 yards, 620 to 121

I think the most impressive blowout was the thumpin by Tennessee today

Score:
Tenn: 63
WK: 7

Total Yards:
Tenn: 657
WK: 83

Passing Yards:
Tenn: 277
WK: 49

Rushing Yards:
Tenn: 380
WK: 34
 
Hey, at least the Spartans scored first!! :)

Anyone know what USC's payout was to San Jose?



EDIT: I just read that BYU only had 27 yards rushing on 32 attempts. Was Oklahoma's defensive front that good, or was it because BYU's Unga wasn't in the game?

BYU's gonna struggle again this year if they can't get a running game established.
 
dukebound85 said:
I suggest having the teams be CU-CSU

Now, Utah and BYU would go to the Big 12

BSU would go to the MWC, which would iinclude the prominent teams of TCU and AF among the rest. Possibly add in Hawaii as well
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The speculation I've read the most about is this:

BYU and Utah to the Pac-10
Iowa State leaves the Big 12 North and is replaced by Air Force
Baylor leavs the Big 12 South and is replaced by TCU

I wouldn't bet any money on any of that coming to pass, however.

Badandy said:
That's flat-out delusional. I'm no OU fan (I dislike them, in fact), but you have to be crazy to think that losing Bradford didn't have much to do with the loss. You think OU scores only 13 points with him in the whole game? He's the most outstanding QB in the country, not just a good player. I guarantee you he puts up points in the second half.
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He wasn't outstanding tonight; he didn't really play any better than his backup.

If OU doesn't get the delay of game call on the goal line and they get a touchdown instead of a field goal, we'd have a different game - but that applies regardless of who the quarterback is.

OU got beat because of (1) excessive penalties by the offensive line, (2) lost fumbles, and (3) an inability to consistently stop BYU's passing game. None of that had anything to do with Bradford.

Yeah, on paper his injury is why OU lost; but the reality is that he wasn't playing all that well to begin with (under 100 yards passing at halftime), and his backup wasn't really any worse.

SLC Flyfishing said:
This year OU hasn't played anyone yet, no excuses for them having to play in the Big 12 since they haven't played any games yet. Everyone wants to say we don't get how physical the Big 12 and SEC are. Then Bradford gets tackled and injured, and OU loses the game.

Sounds like the Big 12 could use a lesson in how physical the MWC can be.

SLC
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This is even worse than your first argument, in that you're basing your claim on only ONE game this time. You said so yourself.
 
dukebound85 said:
I think the most impressive blowout was the thumpin by Tennessee today

Score:
Tenn: 63
WK: 7

Total Yards:
Tenn: 657
WK: 83
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Holy crap.

Obviously these smaller schools agree to play because of the money involved, but that has GOT to be incredibly demoralizing to them...
 
I Think The Biggest Shocker Today

is SAM BRADFORD!!!!! and oklahoma!!!!!!!!!!!!!


my high school coach always told me "the most important game in the season is always the first!, then the second.":D

in college football, ONE LOST means EVERYTHING!, luckily is early though.
 
evilgEEk said:
Holy crap.

Obviously these smaller schools agree to play because of the money involved, but that has GOT to be incredibly demoralizing to them...
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I watched the game and it wasnt even funny. Every time WK had the ball, they would lose yards and then Tenn would get huuuuge plays on offense

Lane Kiffen got off on the right foot!

leomac08 said:
is SAM BRADFORD!!!!! and oklahoma!!!!!!!!!!!!!


my high school coach always told me "the most important game in the season is always the first!, then the second.":D

in college football, ONE LOST means EVERYTHING!, luckily is early though.
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I disagree

If OU were to finish out with no loses, they would be in the championship talk most likely

Early losses are ALWAYS better than late ones
 
dukebound85 said:
I disagree

If OU were to finish out with no loses, they would be in the championship talk most likely

Early losses are ALWAYS better than late ones
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Well in high school, early losses are bad, cause u will be last in the standings.

I agree early losses are better in college football, (just remember what happend to Georgia, and Alabama! in 08)

They were #1 for weeks, then EPIC FAIL!, and ended up in the tostitos fiesta bowl and sugar bowl, i think:D
 
It will be very interesting to see what the polls do tomorrow with Oklahoma's loss.

I can't imagine they will drop out of the top ten, and I can't imagine BYU will go any higher than 15.

But who knows. :)

LSU pulled away in the second half. That's too bad. I've never really liked them. Heh heh.

It's been a great first Saturday of College Football!

But now I'm out.

G'night!
 
ooooor

theres always hope for the scenario like the 01 huskers had haha

were #1 i believe until the CU game on thanksgiving (second to last game that season) where CU throttled them 62-35. CU then went to the Big 12 title game and beat Texas to win the Big 12

Neb then fell to number 2 in the BCS just BARELY edging out CU for the spot to play Miami in the title game (which Neb lost)
evilgEEk said:
It will be very interesting to see what the polls do tomorrow with Oklahoma's loss.

I can't imagine they will drop out of the top ten, and I can't imagine BYU will go any higher than 15.

But who knows. :)

LSU pulled away in the second half. That's too bad. I've never really liked them. Heh heh.

It's been a great first Saturday of College Football!

But now I'm out.

G'night!
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and tomorrow is the Rocky Mountain SHOWDOWN!!!!!!!!
 
evilgEEk said:
It will be very interesting to see what the polls do tomorrow with Oklahoma's loss.

I can't imagine they will drop out of the top ten, and I can't imagine BYU will go any higher than 15.
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I hope you're right.

For my part (keep in mind I'm an OU alum), I saw an OU team that started out the game with a lot of jitters, and they never really got over them. The defensive front finally began to stuff BYU's run game in the second half, but the secondary leaked like a sieve when BYU was passing. That, combined with Bradford's injury, and I'm not confident they'll be in the Top 10. But we'll see.

BYU, on the other hand, started out jittery as well - but by halftime they seemed to start firing on all cylinders. They didn't back down from a team that many thought should have won by 20 or more - and that's a good sign. They could easily go as high as 15.
 
Here's something that really irks me about stating that the BYU OU game would have been much different if Bradford didn't get injured. It's true, losing a key player to an injury hurts and it hurts bad.

But you know what? If you want to talk about a team hurt by injuries, you need not look further that BYU. Seriously, the deck was stacked against them from the start. For one, they were missing one of their star players Harvey Unga. I can promise you that if Unga was playing, BYU's offense would have looked quite a bit better. On top of that, nearly the entire BYU offensive line was out due to injuries.

If your going to play the injury card in the BYU OU game, you need to consider the teams a wash, or one slightly worse than the other. But just because OU had some injuries doesn't mean the game didn't look dark for BYU.

Seriously, who actually thought BYU even had a shot at this game? No one, but some crazy zoob fans.

P-Worm
 
My thoughts on opening weekend

- LSU looked very average. Maybe they will win the West but it will be with several losses at the minimum.
- OklaStateU looked pretty good but they will at best be 10-2 as their D is not THAT great.
- OU is screwed beyond belief without Bradford
- Why anyone thinks anymore highly of ND now than they did before is beyond me. They beat Nevada....and yes, I know of their semi-success the last few years. Means little to nothing in the big picture. Hell, celebrating this W means how far down ND really is I guess
- Ohio State seems like they usually are....very good but not great. Wouldn't shock me to see them win out besides USC and make a big BCS game only to be beaten yet again by an SEC team.
- I give Alabama credit. They made mistakes but got through them. Outside of their captain being an absolute punk who should have been suspended for some time for shoving an official, they seemed prepared and resilient when they needed to be
 
evilgEEk said:
When discussing team dominance it's important to use more than one or two seasons as a measuring stick.

Let's go back to 2002, since that's as far back as ESPN.com will go, and we'll use the AP Poll rankings at the end of every year.

2002
#5 - Oklahoma
#15 - Boise State
NR - Utah

2003
#3 - Oklahoma
#16 - Boise State
#21 - Utah

2004
#3 - Oklahoma
#4 - Utah
#12 - Boise State

2005
#22 - Oklahoma
NR - Boise State
NR - Utah

2006
#5 - Boise State
#11 - Oklahoma
NR - Utah

2007
#8 - Oklahoma
NR - Boise State
NR - Utah

2008
#2 - Utah
#5 - Oklahoma
#11 - Boise State


EDIT: Oklahoma has been ranked preseason every one of those years, and higher than any non-AQ school. Boise State gained a preseason rank in 2005, 2007 and 2009. Utah was ranked in 2004 and 2009 preseason.


I'll let you come to your own conclusions...
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I didn't say team dominance. I was talking about the conference(s).

Sept 3 2005: Oklahoma vs TCU
OU 10 TCU 17

Jan 1 2007: Oklahoma vs Boise State
OU 42 Boise State 43

Sept 5 2009: Oklahoma vs BYU
OU 13 BYU 14

That's 3 losses to the WAC and the MWC in the past 5 years against one of the most dominant teams in all of college football, and 2 out of those 3 losses came in the early part of the season when Oklahoma should have been strongest not gone through the "Big 12 Gauntlet" yet.

The WAC is 1 and 1 against the Sooners in the last 5 years (Utah State lost to them in 2007)

The MWC is 2 and 1, (TCU lost to them early last year).

But Oklahoma is 2 and 3 against the two conferences in the last 5 years. That should be telling enough. Most people talk the line that they should be 5 and 0.

Where's the dominant big 12 play?

I can't believe you EvilGeek, you're part of the problem if you're going to make apologies for the BCS.

SLC
 
DiamondMac said:
My thoughts on opening weekend

- LSU looked very average. Maybe they will win the West but it will be with several losses at the minimum.
- OklaStateU looked pretty good but they will at best be 10-2 as their D is not THAT great.
- OU is screwed beyond belief without Bradford
- Why anyone thinks anymore highly of ND now than they did before is beyond me. They beat Nevada....and yes, I know of their semi-success the last few years. Means little to nothing in the big picture. Hell, celebrating this W means how far down ND really is I guess
- Ohio State seems like they usually are....very good but not great. Wouldn't shock me to see them win out besides USC and make a big BCS game only to be beaten yet again by an SEC team.
- I give Alabama credit. They made mistakes but got through them. Outside of their captain being an absolute punk who should have been suspended for some time for shoving an official, they seemed prepared and resilient when they needed to be
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LSU did look average, but I wonder how much that road trip from hell played a part. I know I was getting tired just staying up watching them at midnight Central time. I think they only flew out the day or so before the game, so they had to be having some jet lag. Not making excuses, but it could play a part. I still think Alabama's defense is strong enough to allow them to win the SEC West.

Okie State will probably win 9-10 games, but I still think Texas takes the Big 12 south. I think the bigger problem for OU is their offensive line. They were playing a converted tight end at center last night. That does not bode well. It's a cliche that football is won on the lines, but it is true. Bradford got hit repeatedly, and they couldn't run the ball last night. With the line being that bad, it doesn't matter who is playing QB.

Ohio State: Yep, typical Big Ten(eleven). They look good playing each other, then go play somebody like USC or the various SEC teams, and look really bad. See USC-tOSU or USC-Penn State last season.

Notre Dame: Ahh, Notre Dame. Clausen has a 300 yard day against a team that had the worst pass defense in the country last year, and he's suddenly a Heisman candidate. (I swear I saw that on one of the shows last night) You are 100% correct. It shows how far they have fallen if they are celebrating this as a big win. This is one reason I can't stand ND. Or rather, I can't stand the media glorification of ND.
 
P-Worm said:
Here's something that really irks me ... if you want to talk about a team hurt by injuries, you need not look further that BYU.
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Wow. I can't believe I didn't think of that. That is a VERY good point. This is exactly why BYU's run game was so lacking. Had they not lost (was it three?) OL starters to injury and their star running back then their offense would have been very different.

Good point, P-Worm! :)

SLC Flyfishing said:
I can't believe you EvilGeek, you're part of the problem if you're going to make apologies for the BCS.
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Hey, I'm not making excuses. I'm just being realistic.

Boise State, Utah, TCU and BYU have some awesome football teams. But the consistency just isn't there. We need to have our teams ranked consistently at the end of every year if we want to claim that we are national powers.

A couple of great examples of this is what happened after both of our first Fiesta Bowl wins. Those wins were literally program-changing for both of us, but then Utah finished '05 NR, and Boise State finished '07 NR. I don't see any other traditional powers doing this.

I honestly hope Utah can finish this year ranked to buck that trend, but we'll just have to wait and see on that one.

Don't think I'm making excuses for the BCS and the BCS leagues, because I'm not. But I'm also not going to sit here and say Boise State or Utah could dominate in the Big 12 or SEC.

The system we have might suck balls for us smaller schools, but it's the system we have, and it will be for a very long time. So until that changes we have to take advantage of this system and make the most of it.
 
evilgEEk said:
Hey, at least the Spartans scored first!! :)

Anyone know what USC's payout was to San Jose?
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Someone said high six figures. All I know is that San Jose State would run most of the other "cupcake" teams other people played off the field.

I literally can't believe UCLA gave up 14 points to San Diego State.

Ohio State's D-line and O-line's looked awful. I don't know what they're going to do on defense against a stable of tailbacks (we have 4 five-star recruits playing every game at that one position) or against Everson Griffin and the rest of our D-line when they're on offense.



P-Worm said:
Here's something that really irks me about stating that the BYU OU game would have been much different if Bradford didn't get injured.


If your going to play the injury card in the BYU OU game, you need to consider the teams a wash, or one slightly worse than the other. But just because OU had some injuries doesn't mean the game didn't look dark for BYU.
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The point is that the Heisman winner went down in the middle of the game and people think that doesn't affect the outcome in the second half. They had like 50 passing yards second half without him. Heisman winners are the kind of players who have bad halfs and then come back guns blazing and light up defenses for hundreds.

It changed the game in a big way. I can't believe this is even being debated.
 
Badandy said:
t changed the game in a big way. I can't believe this is even being debated.
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The loss of Bradford certainly hurt, but I think OU's horrible OL decided the game. Especially OU's right tackle Cory Brandon. I mean, two holding calls and three false starts? And the last false start is what turned a (virtually) game-winning 49 yard field goal attempt in to a desperate 54 yard bomber to win.

Bottom line is BYU gritted their teeth and drove the ball 78 yards for the go-ahead score and OU couldn't answer.
 
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