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2009/10 College Football Thread

Badandy said:
I'll make this simpler for you.

BYU's win last night not only proves the superiority of the Cougars over the Sooners, it provides an accurate framework for any future meetings between the two! In fact, this game will also provide a good means by which both the Cougars and the Sooners should be ranked in comparison to other teams in the college football world by the time the end of the season rolls around.

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I have only argued that the answer is false, nothing else. If the answer is "false" then the win is discounted by definition because it doesn't provide a definitive answer to which team is better.

After USC beat Ohio State last year, the result was that we knew which team was better between the two, convincingly. BYU-OU game? Inconclusive. That's all I'm saying and it's all I've ever said.
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Please

This logic is absurd

In that case, you could simply invalidate the ENTIRE NCAA tourney for bball

Any upset would simply be discounted as a fluke win as really, who can sit their and argue that a 15 seed is really better than a 2 seed most day of the week!

Upsets are a part of collegiate sports and every win should never be discounted as its PART of the game



Hell, by your logic, why even play games? Why even play the BYU-OU game when it is supposably evident that OU has more talent and is the better team most days of the week?

You play because it is the result that matters.

As I said before, a WIN IS A WIN IS A WIN

and BYU won

accept it and give credit where credit is due instead of playing the injury excuse card:cool:

That should answer your "question" and how its a silly question to even be asked in the world of college sports

Also, you will realize that OU will not drop behind BYU in the polls as a result of this so rest assured...
 
dukebound85 said:
Please

This logic is absurd

In that case, you could simply invalidate the ENTIRE NCAA tourney for bball

Any upset would simply be discounted as a fluke win as really, who can sit their and argue that a 15 seed is really better than a 2 seed most day of the week!

Upsets are a part of collegiate sports and every win should never be discounted as its PART of the game



Hell, by your logic, why even play games? Why even play the BYU-OU game when it is supposably evident that OU has more talent and is the better team most days of the week?

You play because it is the result that matters.

As I said before, a WIN IS A WIN IS A WIN

and BYU won

accept it and give credit where credit is due instead of playing the injury excuse card:cool:

That should answer your "question" and how its a silly question to even be asked in the world of college sports

Also, you will realize that OU will not drop behind BYU in the polls as a result of this so rest assured...
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100% True a win is a win... Anyone watch the Alabama game?
 
dukebound85 said:
Please

This logic is absurd
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No, your continued misinterpretation of what I said is.

Upsets are a part of collegiate sports and every win should never be discounted as its PART of the game
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You still don't get it. I know BYU got the win. I'm also well aware that BYU could very well have won the game had Bradford not left the game at the end of the first half. My ONLY point, and believe me, this is all I've said, is that the game would have been different and could very likely have swung the other way considering the player who was injured was the best player on the field in the most influential position. That's it. That's all I've said. It would be different.

A logical conclusion to draw from the above situation is that the win will be discounted in the eyes of the college football world. Of course it goes in the win column for BYU, but every time that game is mentioned for the rest of the year there will be a virtual asterisk there with the following:

"Reigning Heisman trophy winner Sam Bradford missed second half due to injury."

accept it and give credit where credit is due instead of playing the injury excuse card
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As I've said, ad nauseum, I accept and realize BYU got the win. I have no stake in this game and I have no problem BYU won. I wasn't even rooting for anyone. I don't care about OU and I don't care about BYU. I'm bias-free here.


canes:I saw the game. I thought Gregory (McElroy) played a bad first half but then really picked it up in the second. I'm impressed with his speed.

In similar news, I tried to change his place of birth on Wikipedia to where he was actually born, but someone changed it back to Southlake, Texas shortly after. I can't really provide any sort of meaningful citation besides the fact that I am 100% sure of where he was born (in California). Damn wikipedia rules.
 
Badandy said:
No, your continued misinterpretation of what I said is.



You still don't get it. I know BYU got the win. I'm also well aware that BYU could very well have won the game had Bradford not left the game at the end of the first half. My ONLY point, and believe me, this is all I've said, is that the game would have been different and could very likely have swung the other way considering the player who was injured was the best player on the field in the most influential position. That's it. That's all I've said. It would be different.

A logical conclusion to draw from the above situation is that the win will be discounted in the eyes of the college football world. Of course it goes in the win column for BYU, but every time that game is mentioned for the rest of the year there will be a virtual asterisk there with the following:

"Reigning Heisman trophy winner Sam Bradford missed second half due to injury."



As I've said, ad nauseum, I accept and realize BYU got the win. I have no stake in this game and I have no problem BYU won. I wasn't even rooting for anyone. I don't care about OU and I don't care about BYU. I'm bias-free here.


canes:I saw the game. I thought Gregory (McElroy) played a bad first half but then really picked it up in the second. I'm impressed with his speed.

In similar news, I tried to change his place of birth on Wikipedia to where he was actually born, but someone changed it back to Southlake, Texas shortly after. I can't really provide any sort of meaningful citation besides the fact that I am 100% sure of where he was born (in California). Damn wikipedia rules.
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Ya I was to if someone was not open he did not pull a Brodie Croyle and hit the ground. At the end of the game Alabama got a lot of pressure on Tyrod and he could not do a lot. How awesome was it when Brian Deaderick went in after getting shot only six days before.
 
Interesting. According to OU's AD the OU/BYU game only came to pass because an "unnamed mid-level" school canceled a home-and-home with OU.

Stewart Mandel/SI.com said:
Saturday night's BYU-Oklahoma matchup was borne of necessity. Oklahoma AD Joe Castiglione told me this summer the Sooners signed on for the neutral-site game only after an unnamed mid-level school surprisingly declined Oklahoma's offer for a home-and-home. ("Let's just say it's a team that you wouldn't traditionally expect Oklahoma to go play in their stadium," he said.)
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link

I wonder who the mid-level school was.
 
evilgEEk said:
When discussing team dominance it's important to use more than one or two seasons as a measuring stick.

Let's go back to 2002, since that's as far back as ESPN.com will go, and we'll use the AP Poll rankings at the end of every year...
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Perhaps you should include Texas on that list. You know, the team that's won 10+ games 10 years in a row and beaten OU 3 of the last 5 years? Oh, and they won a national championship during the years listed?

And no, I'm am not a Texas fan. I hate those arrogant d-bags, but what they've done the last 10 years is pretty incredible.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Perhaps you should include Texas on that list. You know, the team that's won 10+ games 10 years in a row and beaten OU 3 of the last 5 years? Oh, and they won a national championship during the years listed?

And no, I'm am not a Texas fan. I hate those arrogant d-bags, but what they've done the last 10 years is pretty incredible.
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I agree 100%. In his early years, I was a detractor of Mack Brown. He would win all those games, and couldn't even win the division. I have to hand it to him, though. This run has been amazing. He may be closing in on Bowden's record of consecutive 10 win seasons. I still can't stand Texas, though. :)

Interesting. According to OU's AD the OU/BYU game only came to pass because an "unnamed mid-level" school canceled a home-and-home with OU.
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I think this type of game is going to become more common. The unnamed school probably got a better offer to come play another team. The price for these cupcake buyout games is getting insane. We just paid $315k to play an in-state SWAC school. Other big time schools are shelling out high 6 figures for these games. It amazes me that they can pay that and still make money.

Anybody watching FSU-Miami? Hmmm, a missed kick from FSU. Wonder if that could come back to haunt them. Nah, not like that ever happened before. :D
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Perhaps you should include Texas on that list.
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I agree, Texas would be another great example of dominance. I didn't mention anyone else because we were specifically talking about Oklahoma. But Mack Brown has definitely had a pretty awesome run.

steve2112 said:
Anybody watching FSU-Miami? Hmmm, a missed kick from FSU. Wonder if that could come back to haunt them. Nah, not like that ever happened before. :D
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Yeah, I'm watching it. It seemed like FSU had a pretty good handle on it. Even stuffed Miami inside the five on their last drive to make them settle for three.

Of course then FSU fumbles and Miami is ready to strike again. I think they'll get in this time. Still a ton of time left though.
 
steve2112 said:
Anybody watching FSU-Miami? Hmmm, a missed kick from FSU. Wonder if that could come back to haunt them. Nah, not like that ever happened before. :D
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This is a great game. Lead change again. Love watching the classic rivalries in sports. And this is definitely one of them worth always checking out.
 
And another lead change. And they get the 2pt conversion.

It didn't look like Harris got hit that hard, but he was definitely favoring his right arm as he walked off.
 
P-Worm said:
Why do you keep forgetting the incredibly cripling injuries that BYU faced?
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Because they are irrelevant. With or without them, BYU does not win that game with Bradford starting the entire game. You are trying your best to deflect the injury by pointing out injuries to BYU which I don't think a single soul cares about. Bradford's injury changed the game completely. BYU's injuries didn't even come remotely close to that
 
evilgEEk said:
Ha ha ha! What other "motives" could I have? Ha ha ha!

So, do you actually read my posts? Because it would seem like you only pick out bits and pieces of my posts and conveniently leave out the rest.
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Sometimes you ramble about things or post like a child with the "LOL" and "HA HA" comments so I try to pass by those in hopes you have a younger child posting with you typing those in.

Oh, and my worthless opinion is the same as some other very well respected sports journalists. Look in to it.
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I don't think I disagree with you on that. Those types of journalists are making minimum wage working for blogs that get no hits and chances are good they need a 2nd job to make ends meet. I can see your opinion meeting their standards.
 
DiamondMac said:
Because they are irrelevant. With or without them, BYU does not win that game with Bradford starting the entire game. You are trying your best to deflect the injury by pointing out injuries to BYU which I don't think a single soul cares about. Bradford's injury changed the game completely. BYU's injuries didn't even come remotely close to that
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wow just wow

they were in the game with Bradford in. How you can say BYU could not win is absurd

yes, BYU's injuries do factor in as well. to say that injuries to BYU are insignificant while they are significant to OU is just crazy logic

unfreakin' believable @ this post

regardless, one could argue that the backup OU QB is of higher quality than any QB at those "crappy" MWC schools.
 
DiamondMac said:
Because they are irrelevant. With or without them, BYU does not win that game with Bradford starting the entire game. You are trying your best to deflect the injury by pointing out injuries to BYU which I don't think a single soul cares about. Bradford's injury changed the game completely. BYU's injuries didn't even come remotely close to that
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Yeah, BYU didn't lose a Heisman trophy winner. I don't think you can say no way BYU wins with Bradford in, though. He played almost the entire first half, and only went 10/14 with 96 yards. He was harassed and under pressure the whole time he was in there. I do think with Bradford in, OU wins 9 out of 10 times, but there is no way you can say with 100% certainty that OU wins with Bradford in the game. The OU offense looked sluggish and out of sync even with him in there, and the BYU defense played the game of their lives. Bradford had nothing to do with allowing Max Hall to pass for 329 yards. He had nothing to do with trying to stop the BYU offense from driving down the field for the game winning TD. Max Hall also played the game of his life, and repeatedly ran away from pressure and made some clutch passes.
 
That was a great game!

I agree. It was a great closer for an awesome first weekend of college football. :)

dukebound85 said:
I wonder how Macdawg is handling his loss:p

Havent heard from him at all in this threadQ
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Yeah, I don't think you will hear from him either. He was pretty put off by what the thread turned in to last year. All the endless bickering about the MWC and BCS bowls.

It did get pretty ridiculous, until one-by-one everyone just stopped participating.
 
dukebound85 said:
they were in the game with Bradford in.
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Again, so what? They were still losing and as I showed above, OU has scored in the 2nd half several times in massive amounts when they struggle early (well, not named Florida or LSU). I am sure I could dig up plenty more games where 1-AA teams stay in it with Top 10-15 teams for one half.

How you can say BYU could not win is absurd
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The only absurd thing is trying to compare Bradford's injury to several BYU players.

evilgEEk said:
There will always be excuses as to why we win. But we still keep winning.
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Right. But the problem is....it tends to be against 1-AA schools hence the 0% chance of playing in the title game :D

dukebound85 said:
it just annoys me how no supporter of a BCS school can legitimately give credit where its due.
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Credit is given when it is due.

In this case, BYU gets credit for pulling out the victory.

But credit won't be given to BYU for pulling some massive upset against OU without recognizing their Heisman QB was out at halftime.

BYU and their conference fans can rant and rave as much as they want about injuries to whoever yet the thought of Bradford's injury will stay. That may not be reflected now but it will be at the end of the year when the last few rankings are given.
 
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