You're a man after my own heart.
Well, except for that whole Longhorns thing you have going.
I agree, except that it's probably been 5-6 years since I've watched even a Super Bowl.
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You're a man after my own heart.
Well, except for that whole Longhorns thing you have going.
I agree, except that it's probably been 5-6 years since I've watched even a Super Bowl.
I am embarrassed for USC watching Leinart sit on the bench and seeing Reggie Bush find new ways of sucking on every Sunday
Bush plan on fumbling 4 times this weekend?
I agree with this (and yeah, I realize it was pointed in my direction), but at the same time there's a difference between mere smack talk for fun and having a real discussion about something. The smack talk is all in good fun, and seldom has logic on its side.
It actually wasn't pointed at you. Talking smack is a completely understandable and fun part of college football.
The accuracy is a stretch at best. Nobody knows whether it is that great in the NFL.
Don't worry, I'm not embarrassed for USC. It's a great educational institution with an amazing football team to break up studying on the weekends. We should average academic rankings with football rankings, that would be interesting.
I could, however, be embarrassed for you though. Your team either sucks too much for you to want to stick up for them or you have some illusion that people here care enough about your opinion as to expect or require a bias-free commentator. bait bait bait bait
I don't think so. Just a guess.
I find it hard to believe his accuracy decreased. If you watched him at USC you'd see he had pinpoint accuracy. It was astonishing.
It was good. It wasn't great. The system USC is in does a good job giving the QB plenty of time with weapons at WR and a great running game....so the QB can get away with many faults until they leave that system.
Numbers can be deceiving in college. See Texas Tech QB's that can't make NFL rosters
I actually agree with that, but it won't keep him from being drafted. He has a good (not great) arm and good (not great) accuracy. He definitely plays in a college system, but he isn't a "system" QB like the Spurrier QB's were or the Leach QB's are.
The shotgun thing is a big deal, but it didn't prevent Alex Smith, Vince Young or Michael Vick from being drafted high, and everyone knows when some team drafts a QB high they give them every chance to lose the job before finally realizing they can't do it (or in Vick's case, go to prison). Neither Smith nor Young was as good a college QB as Tebow in terms of actually throwing the ball downfield, and while Vick had a tremendously strong arm, his accuracy and his mechanics were always (and still are) in question.
In the arm strength department, Tebow is a much better pro prospect than Colt McCoy, who also operates almost exclusively from the shotgun, but who rarely throws downfield at all, let alone with any accuracy.
I hope you didn't misinterpret my saying that Tebow "looks like an NFL quarterback" to mean that I think he will be a star or great or anything else. I think he'll get drafted in the first couple of rounds (maybe as low as the third, but probably not) and then he'll get the chance to play and probably start on one of the many NFL teams that has a terrible set of QB's. I don't know that he'll ever make a tremendous impact on the league as a QB, but I do think he will get every chance to do so.
I don't think Colt will get drafted high, if at all. I think of him a lot like I do Major - a great college QB that'll never make it in the pros. That's fine though - I'd rather have that situation than the reverse.
I wouldn't exactly want to be compared to Alex Smith, Vince Young, or Mike Vick if I were Tebow. Bad voodoo.
I do think the shotgun thing is a big question, though. Yeah, the NFL has been using more shotgun spread stuff, but it is still primarily an under center type league. Anyway, I think to some extent Tebow is a system QB. Look at Alex Smith. He put up huge numbers at Utah, but hasn't panned out in the NFL. I think the jury is still out on Meyer's system, since he hasn't had enough time to produce a bunch of different QBs. I'm not denying Tebow's talent, but I do wonder how much is the system, and how much is his ability.
I know what you meant by he looks like an NFL QB. NFL scouts love a big, strong QB. They all seem to want someone like Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, etc. Big, strong, with a cannon arm. The problem with this love affair is you also get people like Ryan Leaf, the perfect QB from the neck down.
Given how desperate many teams in the NFL are for a QB, though, someone will draft Tebow. I don't know how high he will get drafted, but I think it will be in the first 3 rounds.And I have a nagging feeling that Badandy works in the PR department for USC.
And I have a nagging feeling that Badandy works in the PR department for USC.
Nah, he's just the typical USC fan. They're incorrigible.
I remember reading articles about how Peyton Manning didn't have the arm that Leaf had and that THAT may be the downfall of Manning.
Now, it wasn't everyone but it was a considerable amount....just some examples I found
All of which are a joke because Manning's arm strength is very, very good. Not NFL best but plenty fine for all the throws.
Now, it wasn't everyone but it was a considerable amount....just some examples I found
All of which are a joke because Manning's arm strength is very, very good. Not NFL best but plenty fine for all the throws.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/events/1998/nfldraft/topplayers/4.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017735/index.htm
That's actually a big part of my point. The NFL doesn't really learn from its mistakes (not quickly, anyway), which is one of the reasons I expect Tebow to be taken fairly high despite the questions about whether or not he will fit into an NFL system.
You may be right, but I tend to think of a "system QB" as a guy who couldn't thrive in any system other than the one he's in. I think there are a lot of other college systems Tebow would be very good in (Texas, Michigan/WVU, Va Tech, Ok. State all come to mind), and though I'm not 100% sold on him being a good fit in an NFL system, I do think he will get the chance. That was my whole point for chiming in on this argument in the first place. It's about whether or not he's going to get the chance to be an NFL starter, not about whether or not he succeeds.
True. I guess I was thinking of the spread/spread option offense in general as a system. The NFL is still, for the most part, very similar on offense. Look how many NFL teams still run a 2 back, I formation type offense. As I said, someone will draft Tebow, but I wonder how well he will perform in the stodgy old offenses of the NFL. I also wonder if Meyer tweaking his offense and putting Tebow under center some will help out. On a side note, I if you want to see more on how similar NFL offenses are, check out this post at the Smart Football blog: http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/07/nfl-offense-what-is-it-why-does-every.html
As I said, Leaf was the perfect QB from the neck down.
The "prototype" QB has been around the NFL for years. Also notice how wrong it is. Yeah, you occasionally get somebody like Dan Marino or John Elway, but more often those types aren't the best. Look how a certain undersized QB with a weak arm became only the second QB in league history to throw for 5000 yards last year. Or how a 3rd round draft pick from Notre Dame (but I don't hold that against him) who was mistaken for a kicker managed to win 4 Superbowls. While throwing to an undersized, slow, WR in the process. 
All I know is that Big Blue won this weekend and so did the Tide..... I am glad USC won, only because they played THAT team from Ohio.
All I know is that Big Blue won this weekend and so did the Tide..... I am glad USC won, only because they played THAT team from Ohio.
Roll Tide baby
Oh, you just HAD to do that.
Yes, I'm an Oklahoma grad, but the thing about watching the BCS National Championship Game back in January that bothered me more than anything else was those two ******-bags in the booth ******* Tebow's **** every other breath. I kept waiting for one of them to run down onto the field and finish him off.
I'm so sick of hearing about Saint Tebow. You, sir, have pressed the right button tonight.
Oh, you just HAD to do that.
Yes, I'm an Oklahoma grad, but the thing about watching the BCS National Championship Game back in January that bothered me more than anything else was those two ******-bags in the booth ******* Tebow's **** every other breath. I kept waiting for one of them to run down onto the field and finish him off.
I'm so sick of hearing about Saint Tebow. You, sir, have pressed the right button tonight.
Haha. I officially hate the Gators. And I REALLY hate all the Tebow talk.
P-Worm
Oh, you just HAD to do that.
Yes, I'm an Oklahoma grad, but the thing about watching the BCS National Championship Game back in January that bothered me more than anything else was those two ******-bags in the booth ******* Tebow's **** every other breath. I kept waiting for one of them to run down onto the field and finish him off.
I'm so sick of hearing about Saint Tebow. You, sir, have pressed the right button tonight.
Agreed. Tebow should be the face of college football but to the extent that we hear about him is absurd and just goes to show how idea-less the media can be when needing a story.
"Hey, I will talk about someone who has been talked about 1,000,000 times already this week!" Brilliant.
Again, give Tebow more time than any other player? Fine. No problem whatsoever. But to the laughable extent we have been told? Ridiculous and probably why there seems to be a growing backlash about the media coverage of him
Oh, you just HAD to do that.
Yes, I'm an Oklahoma grad, but the thing about watching the BCS National Championship Game back in January that bothered me more than anything else was those two ******-bags in the booth ******* Tebow's **** every other breath. I kept waiting for one of them to run down onto the field and finish him off.
I'm so sick of hearing about Saint Tebow. You, sir, have pressed the right button tonight.
Do not anger the Tebow child. For though he is a kind and gentle soul, when angered, he will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger. And you will know his name is Tebow when he lays his vengeance upon thee. Amen.
I really wanted to watch this game, but I forgot to DVR it and I had a softball game. Heh.
Was it really as lopsided as the score suggests?