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2009/10 College Football Thread

P-Worm said:
I agree except I think that TCU will be tougher than BYU. It's probably too early to tell (TCU has only played one game so far), but I think TCU is the team to beat in the Mountain West this year.
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SLC Flyfishing said:
I think this is TCU's year, but I wouldn't mind if the Utes did it again.
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I'm not sure TCU has the offense to hang with BYU, but the fact that they get Utah in Fort Worth is certainly helpful. I think road trips to Clemson and BYU will be the downfall of the Frogs.
 
DiamondMac said:
Link?
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Here's a link to a discussion on the topic

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/14650820

I don't know what else to say besides the fact that it wasn't really a secret in 2007. We wanted to schedule a home and home. USC's motto is "anyone, anytime, anywhere" and we don't back down from big competition. Hell, we didn't have to play Ohio State these last two years; if we scheduled a cupcake and ran the table we'd be in the national championship game. I'm glad we did though, they've been a great learning experience for our younger players (and wreak havoc on the Big-10).

Let's be honest here: The marquee matchup everyone in the nation wants to see is USC vs. Florida/whoever's atop the SEC at the time. Besides the 2005 Rose Bowl, USC doesn't lose big games. We just don't. We've had a ton of big time match-ups in the past 8 years, and we've lost one.

Please, Tim Tebow, try running through Taylor Mays. Just once.

Disclaimer:

As of right now, Florida probably beats USC. Our defense is outstanding but our offense, led by Matt Barkley, needs to get more chemistry. This is to be expected, but there's a lot of room for improvement. We've got a huge ceiling on offense with our stable of running backs. C'mon, our 4th string reject Emanuel Moody is actually getting PT at Florida.

dmr said:
Good luck with that. You know Florida can't risk a loss with that brutal SEC schedule they play.
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You're right on this one. But seriously, I look at some of the top SEC teams' schedules every so often after the year is over and I see a lot of...unimpressive games. I know the SEC is close to the best (if not the best) conference in college football, but the schedule isn't unmanageable. It's really not that bad. Oh no, Tennessee in Knoxville! That's so scary! Except for the fact that UCLA has beaten them twice in a row. That's sad. Oh no, LSU! Well, it's pretty clear they suck. Every year the SEC has two teams who are legitimately good and rated correctly. I'd say the PAC-10's average is 1.5 or so.
 
Badandy said:
And for all the bragging you have yet to accept USC's repeated requests to play a home and home series.
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Thats what you don't understand. Florida doesnt need to play USC for their SOS to be worthwhile. Florida's SOS the last 20 years has been great due to the SEC's strength as well as FSU's. USC has to take on a big OOC game or two a year because the LAC-10 is weak and they would never be on TV playing Stanford and such.

And Ill be waiting for you to find me a link saying Florida told USC no to a home and home..Don't be mad Florida has a winning record against USC :cool:
 
I don't see any hard proof that USC tried to schedule UF and couldn't come to an agreement.

I see this type of thing stated on boards for many teams yet nobody really ever has any proof other than what they heard/read somewhere. I look at it more as smack talk than reality as we have no idea which school was being difficult OR whether both schools ACTUALLY talked.

I have a friend who has worked in an AD's office for 3 years now at a smaller BCS conference school and he has laughed at a few rumors that got out in the last 3 years about schools trying to schedule them, including one specific Big 10 team that leaked out that they tried to schedule my friends school but that the school "backed out"....only problem was...the Big 10 school wanted to play only on these 2 specific years (home-home) and my friends school could not due to an already agreed upon game with another OOC BCS conference school. When the Big 10 school was given another year to play the return game, they said no and walked away without even remotely discussing anything further.

That is why I kind of roll my eyes at so many of the 'Well, we tried to schedule School X but they wouldn't come!'.....we don't know what actually happened
 
Badandy said:
You're right on this one. But seriously, I look at some of the top SEC teams' schedules every so often after the year is over and I see a lot of...unimpressive games. I know the SEC is close to the best (if not the best) conference in college football, but the schedule isn't unmanageable. It's really not that bad. Oh no, Tennessee in Knoxville! That's so scary! Except for the fact that UCLA has beaten them twice in a row. That's sad. Oh no, LSU! Well, it's pretty clear they suck. Every year the SEC has two teams who are legitimately good and rated correctly. I'd say the PAC-10's average is 1.5 or so.
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Here are the final ranked (AP) opponents faced by UF over the last 10 years

Top 10 = 27 avg per year 2.7
Total = 57 avg per year 5.7

2008
Oklahoma #5
Alabama #6
Georgia #13
Mississippi #14
Fsu #21

2007
LSU #1
Georgia #2
Tennessee #12
Auburn #15
Michigan #18

2006
Ohio State #2
LSU #3
Auburn #9
Arkansas #15
Georgia #23
Tennessee ##25

2005
LSU #6
Alabama #8
Georgia #10
fsu #23

2004
Georgia #7
Miami #11
Tennessee #13
Fsu #15
LSU #16

2003
LSU #2
Miami #5
Georgia #7
Iowa #8
Fsu #11
Mississippi #13
Tennessee #15

2002
Miami #2
Georgia #3
Michigan #9
Auburn #14
Fsu #21

2001
Tennessee #4
LSU #7
South Carolina #13
Fsu #15
Georgia #22
Maryland #11

2000
Miami #2
Fsu #5
Auburn #18 (x2)
Georgia #20
South Carolina #19
LSU #22
Mississippi State #24

1999
Fsu #1
Alabama #8 (x2)
Tennessee #9
Michigan State #7
Georgia #16

and here are the numbers for the last 25 years

Top 10 = 68 avg per year = 2.72

Total = 127 avg per year = 5.08


USC

Top 10 = 18 avg per year 1.8
Total = 38 avg per year 3.8

1999
Oregon #19

2000
Notre Dame #15
Washington #3
Oregon State #4
Oregon #7

2001
Oregon #2
Washington State #10
Stanford #16
Washington #19

2002
Auburn #14
Iowa #8
Washington State #10
Notre Dame #17
Colorado #20

2003
Michigan #6
Washington State #9

2004
Va Tech #10
Oklahoma #3
Cal #9
Arizona State #19

2005
Notre Dame #9
Texas #1
Oregon #12
UCLA #16
Cal #25

2006
Arkansas #15
Notre Dame #17
Michigan #8
Cal #14
Oregon State #21

2007
Illinois #20
Arizona State #16
Oregon #23
Oregon State #25

2008
Ohio State #9
Penn State #8
Oregon #10
Oregon State #18
 
Ohio State

Top 10 = 18 avg per year 1.8
Total = 39 avg per year = 3.9

2008
Texas #4
USC #3
Penn State #8

2007
LSU #1
Wisconsin #24
Illinois #20
Michigan #18

2006
Florida #1
Texas #13
Michigan #8
Penn State #24

2005
Texas #1
Penn State #3
Notre Dame #9

2004
Michigan #14
Iowa #8
Wisconsin #17

2003
Kansas State #14
Michigan #6
Iowa #8
Purdue #18

2002
Miami #2
Washington State #10
Michigan #9
Penn State #16

2001
Michigan #20
Illinois #12
South Carolina #13

2000
Michigan #11
Purdue #13
Wisconsin #23

1999
Miami #15
Purdue #25
Illinois #24
Minnesota #18
Michigan #5
Penn State #11
Michigan State #7
Wisconsin #4

Are you starting to see now facts that back up why OSU and USC need to schedule OOC to remain relevant?
 
Badandy said:
You're right on this one.
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It was really a sarcastic remark. ;) I think you're right - I hate that most big programs don't schedule well OOC anymore. I don't blame the coaches because the system rewards it, but I think it really sucks for the fans. The national championship is kind of one big joke anyway, so to me, the joy of college ball is watching interesting matchups. Texas doesn't want to risk a loss, so we get to see lame games before conference play, and although conference games can be fun, it's the same teams every year (or two). The one bright spot comes bowl time. So year after year we get essentially the same season - three gimme games, conference games against the same opponents, and then a potentially interesting bowl game. Yawn.

The stupid system rewards this behavior. This is why I love college basketball. We schedule quite a few tough non-conference games and they're a blast to watch. And we can lose one or two of them and still be just fine for the tournament. :)
 
evilgEEk said:
Heh. That was a good clip, but it doesn't really illustrate your point because both guys went flying after that collision. :)
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Yup.

The tackler NEVER falls down after a big hit :rolleyes:

6 foot 3, 240 pounds, and runs a 4.24. Yes, less than a 4.3. Electrically timed. He's an absolute monster. Watch his other hits on Youtube.

By the way. Unlike your Mr. Heisman, most of our team will actually get playing time in the NFL. Have fun, Tyler Hansborough of college football.
 
Badandy said:
By the way. Unlike your Mr. Heisman, most of our team will actually get playing time in the NFL. Have fun, Tyler Hansborough of college football.
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Not sure about that. I don't think Tebow is the end-all, be-all of college football like so many do, and I don't think he has the greatest arm in the world, but he still looks like an NFL quarterback to me.
 
DiamondMac said:
He will never start at QB for an NFL team.

Ever.

Ever. Ever.
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I never said he would be a star. But some team will take a chance on him because he has so much hype. People think the NFL is a bastion of great quarterback play, when in fact it's the position lightest on talent. There are more terrible players at QB in the NFL than there are at any other position.

Byron Leftwich is a starting QB in the NFL. Kyle Orton is a starting QB in the NFL. Trent Edwards is a starting QB in the NFL. Shaun Hill is a starting QB in the NFL. JaMarcus Russell is a starting QB in the NFL.

Kevin Kolb is going to start next week. Vince Young has started games at QB in the NFL. Sage Rosenfels has started games at QB in the NFL. Dan Orlovsky has started games in the NFL. Alex Smith has started games in the NFL.

Tebow is Vince Young with a brain, so he will get his chance.
 
I don't understand why college football smack sometimes extends to discussions of the NFL. Who cares about the NFL? I have no idea whether Tebow will end up being an NFL quarterback, but what does it matter? Last time I checked, Florida doesn't play pro ball, and as far as I'm concerned, once Tebow goes pro, he becomes completely irrelevant to any discussion about college football.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
I never said he would be a star. But some team will take a chance on him because he has so much hype.
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I never said you did. I simply said start. Someone will take a chance as a FB or possibly a Wildcat experiment. That is it.

People think the NFL is a bastion of great quarterback play, when in fact it's the position lightest on talent. There are more terrible players at QB in the NFL than there are at any other position.
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Debatable. Positions rise and fall every year in terms of whether they are on the whole great or bad. QB play this year across the board is still incredibly good.

Byron Leftwich is a starting QB in the NFL. Kyle Orton is a starting QB in the NFL. Trent Edwards is a starting QB in the NFL. Shaun Hill is a starting QB in the NFL. JaMarcus Russell is a starting QB in the NFL.
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All actually NFL QB's. Tebow isn't one of them.
 
dmr727 said:
...and as far as I'm concerned, once Tebow goes pro, he becomes completely irrelevant to any discussion about college football.
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And as far as I'm concerned, once Tebow goes pro, he isn't relevant at all. ;)

The only NFL game I watch all year is the Super Bowl. Pro ball just doesn't have the same spirit college does.

P-Worm
 
I agree that the NFL talk has no merit in a college football discussion, and I also agree that the NFL is lame and boring.

I just don't like it when the internet experts appear on message boards and try to shove their opinion down our throats without offering any credible, logical reasoning.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
I just don't like it when the internet experts appear on message boards and try to shove their opinion down our throats without offering any credible, logical reasoning.
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I agree with this (and yeah, I realize it was pointed in my direction), but at the same time there's a difference between mere smack talk for fun and having a real discussion about something. The smack talk is all in good fun, and seldom has logic on its side. :)

But anyway, I agree about real discussion requiring some reasoning behind it. I just wish it'd be a little lighter spirited in here. I still have a nagging feeling that DiamondMac is really just an exceptionally well scripted bot placed on this board by a team of CS grad students somewhere. :p
 
dmr727 said:
I agree with this (and yeah, I realize it was pointed in my direction), but at the same time there's a difference between mere smack talk for fun and having a real discussion about something. The smack talk is all in good fun, and seldom has logic on its side. :)

But anyway, I agree about real discussion requiring some reasoning behind it. I just wish it'd be a little lighter spirited in here. I still have a nagging feeling that DiamondMac is really just an exceptionally well scripted bot placed on this board by a team of CS grad students somewhere. :p
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He's probably just too embarrassed of how much his team sucks to tell us who he roots for.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Not yet, but you haven't given one legit reason as to why he would be worse than them in the minds of NFL scouts/coaches.
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He won't be running a system anywhere close to what he has been running since his high school days and that is a big deal. His arm nor accuracy are that great and pointing to his completion % in the offense he runs is does not really prove anything since they run 5 man spreads every other down (exaggerating for goodness sakes).

How many times has he taken a snap under center? Do you want me to tell you how many times I hear THAT EXACT QUESTION asked by NFL scouts? His release can be counted on a sun dial.

I just don't like it when the internet experts appear on message boards and try to shove their opinion down our throats without offering any credible, logical reasoning.
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I couldn't agree more. It's as stupid as those claiming Tebow will be great in the NFL due to his Heisman Trophy and/or success in the SEC. Nothing else really.....just that. i have flashbacks of Danny Wuerffel and people in and around the SEC begging about how ridiculously accurate his throws were and how his arm was really not that weak....harped over and over again with his yards/TD's at UF.

Systems matter in college. Probably the most over-looked aspect towards online posters who just look at stats and proclaim they know it all.
 
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