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2009/10 College Football Thread

evilgEEk said:
But I can also say that there is a serious misappropriation problem when the BCS hands out millions of dollars of football money to schools that can't prove it on the field.
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Generally speaking, the BCS only rewards teams that do prove it on the field. Aside from Notre Dame, when was the last time a 4- or 5-loss team made the BCS?

...just imagine what could have been accomplished with the guaranteed BCS money coming in every year...
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And imagine what USC, Ohio State, Texas, or Florida could accomplish if that money was guaranteed to them every year. But here's the part you didn't mention; it isn't guaranteed. Every single team that gets into the BCS in a given year has to earn it. You don't get an invitation for next year unless you earn it next year.

BSU has had a great run recently, and they were rewarded with two BCS appearances. Yes, six conferences are tied in, but the berths in those games still must be earned. Ask Baylor, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina how many BCS games they've been invited to play.
 
Tomorrow said:
And imagine what USC, Ohio State, Texas, or Florida could accomplish if that money was guaranteed to them every year. But here's the part you didn't mention; it isn't guaranteed. Every single team that gets into the BCS in a given year has to earn it. You don't get an invitation for next year unless you earn it next year.

BSU has had a great run recently, and they were rewarded with two BCS appearances. Yes, six conferences are tied in, but the berths in those games still must be earned. Ask Baylor, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina how many BCS games they've been invited to play.
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Baylor, Northwestern, Vanderbilt and South Carolina are guaranteed BCS money because they are in auto-bid conferences that share revenue (some more than others, but all share it). The non-AQ schools have to have an exceptional year (or hope someone in their conference does). At least one school from the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, Big East, ACC and Pac 10 is going to a BCS game every year.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
At least one school from the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, Big East, ACC and Pac 10 is going to a BCS game every year.
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And sometimes two. Is it time to cry foul because the Big 10 and SEC each placed two teams each in the BCS? After all, those two conferences ended up getting more money than the others!

The answer is simple: no, because both of those "extra" teams (Florida and Iowa) played their way in. My point still stands.
 
dmr727 said:
I don't think we have a college basketball thread for this season, so I figured I'd post this here. It pains me that it's a clip of the Aggies, but this was a pretty solid dunk last night against Missouri:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjrPSDinP0I


Oh, and OU still sucks! :p
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Pay attention 007, this was already posted just a few posts above #1748 :)

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Tomorrow said:
And sometimes two. Is it time to cry foul because the Big 10 and SEC each placed two teams each in the BCS? After all, those two conferences ended up getting more money than the others!

The answer is simple: no, because both of those "extra" teams (Florida and Iowa) played their way in. My point still stands.
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Eh, I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but your point seemed to be that BCS schools like Baylor and Vanderbilt aren't guaranteed money, but they actually are. Without doing any research, I would guess that over the course of the last decade the AQ conferences have about an equal number of bids (with the Big East likely having the least).

dmr727 said:
I don't think we have a college basketball thread for this season, so I figured I'd post this here. It pains me that it's a clip of the Aggies, but this was a pretty solid dunk last night against Missouri:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjrPSDinP0I


Oh, and OU still sucks! :p
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The best part about that dunk is that Turner is only a freshman, and has only been with the team since later December (he had to work out some eligibility issues—of which I'm still unclear—that caused him to miss most of the nonconference season). Oh, also nice to end Missouri's 32-game home court winning streak.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
The best part about that dunk is that Turner is only a freshman, and has only been with the team since later December (he had to work out some eligibility issues—of which I'm still unclear—that caused him to miss most of the nonconference season). Oh, also nice to end Missouri's 32-game home court winning streak.
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That was a nasty, nasty dunk. Sickening that he's only a freshman!
 
Tomorrow, I'm sorry that I didn't make myself clear. I was actually referring to the larger amounts of money shared by the entire Big 6 conferences as Ignatius has alluded to.

I'm not talking about the money given out to the winners of the Bowl games, but rather the much larger portion of money given to the smaller (and MUCH less successful) teams shared throughout the conferences.

Although I should point out that the non-AQ does in fact receive the largest portion of BCS money, but this is split between 52 teams instead of 8-12 as in the BCS conferences. Heh. :)
 
evilgEEk said:
Tomorrow, I'm sorry that I didn't make myself clear. I was actually referring to the larger amounts of money shared by the entire Big 6 conferences as Ignatius has alluded to.
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Okay, we'll address that.

Prior to the BCS, where did that money go? And how is it different today?

Here's a hint: there was no MWC; most of those teams were in the WAC, whose champion always went to the Holiday Bowl and never went to any of the now-BCS bowls. How much money were they getting then? Boise State was a I-AA team at the time. Which bowl game were they in that the BCS knocked them out of?

My point is that the BCS has not taken away money from the non-AQ conferences, if anything it has given more money to the non-AQ conferences than they were getting pre-BCS.
 
Tomorrow said:
Okay, we'll address that.

Prior to the BCS, where did that money go? And how is it different today?

Here's a hint: there was no MWC; most of those teams were in the WAC, whose champion always went to the Holiday Bowl and never went to any of the now-BCS bowls. How much money were they getting then? Boise State was a I-AA team at the time. Which bowl game were they in that the BCS knocked them out of?

My point is that the BCS has not taken away money from the non-AQ conferences, if anything it has given more money to the non-AQ conferences than they were getting pre-BCS.
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While that's true, just because the BCS is a little bit of progress doesn't mean it's the best possible system. The fact that the Big East is still an AQ conference despite losing Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College is proof by itself that the BCS is more about keeping the status quo than it is about having a fair system that adjusts as things change.
 
I'm an OU fan, so I have no "dawg" in the fight, pardon the pun.

Florida
  • All-time record: 654–374–40 (.631)
  • Postseason bowl record: 18–19
  • Claimed national titles: 3
  • Conference titles: 8
  • Heisman winners: 3
  • Consensus All-Americans: 27
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Georgia
  • All-time record: 732–389–54 (.646)
  • Postseason bowl record: 26–16–3
  • Claimed national titles: 2 (1942, 1980)[1]
  • Conference titles: 12
  • Heisman winners: 2
  • Consensus All-Americans: 28
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Looks like they are fairly even as programs to me. I guess it is what have you done for me lately in re: to Florida.

Ah, heck. I guess I'll throw OU in there for comparison :D

Oklahoma
  • All-time record: 791–296–53 (.717)
  • Postseason bowl record: 25–17–1
  • Claimed national titles: 7
  • Conference titles: 42
  • Heisman winners: 5
  • Consensus All-Americans: 70
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gibbz said:
I'm an OU fan, so I have no "dawg" in the fight, pardon the pun.

Florida


Georgia


Looks like they are fairly even as programs to me. I guess it is what have you done for me lately in re: to Florida.

Ah, heck. I guess I'll throw OU in there for comparison :D

Oklahoma
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Hmm, I can play this game too:p

Nebraska
All-time record 827–341–40 (.701)
Postseason bowl record 24–22
Claimed national titles 5
Conference titles 46
Heisman winners 3
Consensus All-Americans 52[2]
 
University of Utah:

All-time record: 617–421–31 (.592)
Postseason bowl record: 12–3 (.800)
Deserved National Titles: 1
Conference titles: 26
Consensus All-Americans: 4

SLC
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/st...U-It-could-happen/gpbSMZcBykqmrzztzmff7Q.cspx

What does everyone think about this scenario?

I don't want Utah to sell out personally. I don't think the Pac10 is worth jumping ship for either.

SLC
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There are a number of these different scenarios floating around

I think it is inevitable that all the major conferences will expand and move towards conferences championship games

Who ends up where is anybody's guess at this point

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