Just realised you mean the Van Perise incident rather than his over zealous goal celebration, D'oh!
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Just realised you mean the Van Perise incident rather than his over zealous goal celebration, D'oh!
Just realised you mean the Van Perise incident rather than his over zealous goal celebration, D'oh!
Haha, yes. I'm sure they'll consider it "serious foul play", eh?
Clint Dempsey was profligate in front of goal today...I hope Hodgson doesn't drop him, I want to see him starting games.
Eastlands,
If the Arsenal players had concentrated more on the game and less on trying to kick lumps out of Adebayor, they might have done better. Which player/team had the agenda Van Persie?
Both Adebayor and Van Persie should have been sent off, Van Persie for the initial challenge full of malicious intent and Adebayor for the knowing rake in response - ban each for 3 games.
The Bolt - seen as a one off reply to the Arsenal fans, I don't have a problem with it. The mistake was believing all the away support could take it as well as dish it out, sadly a certain number couldn't and turned into a pack of wild animals - identify them and ban them for 3 matches.
Cheers,
OW
If the Arsenal players had concentrated more on the game and less on trying to kick lumps out of Adebayor, they might have done better. Which player/team had the agenda Van Persie?
Both Adebayor and Van Persie should have been sent off, Van Persie for the initial challenge full of malicious intent and Adebayor for the knowing rake in response - ban each for 3 games.
The Bolt - seen as a one off reply to the Arsenal fans, I don't have a problem with it. The mistake was believing all the away support could take it as well as dish it out, sadly a certain number couldn't and turned into a pack of wild animals - identify them and ban them for 3 matches.
Cheers,
OW
What a bizarre view. So you believe it is okay for a professional footballer to incite the crowd in that way? He is a professional - he is meant to take the abuse, that's one of the reasons he's paid so much. And if you believe that the tackle by van Persie deserves a red card, you must not watch much football. It's rash and mistimed, so it deserves a yellow, but it was low and not very dangerous - he is clearly trying to play the ball. If tackles like that were made red card offenses, there wouldn't be many games ending with 22 players on the pitch.
Luckily it appears you'll be alone in your view, as the FA are deciding how to punish Adebayor today.
The feeling in the media seems to be – so far as Adebayor is concerned – that he'll receive a three match ban for each offence, so he'll miss six games in total (assuming the bans don't run concurrently).
Van Persie should certainly have been booked for his initial challenge, but it doesn't excuse what followed from his former team mate.
As for the run to the Arsenal supporters – it could perhaps be explained away as a 'heat of the moment' thing had he scored at that end, but running the full length of the pitch gave Adebayor plenty of time to know exactly what he was doing. As I mentioned previously, Michael Turner scored against us this weekend (or at least played a major role in the goal), but his reaction – right in front of the travelling support – was subdued and respectful. See, Emmanuel? It's not that difficult to know what you're doing and show a bit of maturity and responsibility.
At the same time though, the reaction of a section of the Arsenal support to Adebayor's antics was over the top. Throwing objects onto the pitch is inexcusable and, if traced, those responsible should also be punished. Let's not forget that a steward required hospital treatment as a result.
Van Persie should certainly have been booked for his initial challenge, but it doesn't excuse what followed from his former team mate.
As for the run to the Arsenal supporters – it could perhaps be explained away as a 'heat of the moment' thing had he scored at that end, but running the full length of the pitch gave Adebayor plenty of time to know exactly what he was doing. As I mentioned previously, Michael Turner scored against us this weekend (or at least played a major role in the goal), but his reaction – right in front of the travelling support – was subdued and respectful. See, Emmanuel? It's not that difficult to know what you're doing and show a bit of maturity and responsibility.
At the same time though, the reaction of a section of the Arsenal support to Adebayor's antics was over the top. Throwing objects onto the pitch is inexcusable and, if traced, those responsible should also be punished. Let's not forget that a steward required hospital treatment as a result.
"He is a professional - he is meant to take the abuse, that's one of the reasons he's paid so much." - What a bizarre view. A professional footballer is not paid to take the abuse, nor does paying money entitle a supporter to hurl any form of abuse or object that takes his/her fancy.
View - sorry to disappoint you but I am not alone in thinking the VP tackle was worth a red card and that a ban for the celebration is over the top. Perhaps we need Arsenal tinted glasses? You are correct that it is the FA's view that counts - weather conditions could play as much a part as reason. On a similar charge, Gary Neville got a GBP 5,000 fine.
Cheers,
OW
While I don't agree with what Adebayor did, although certain levels of abuse are tolerated, I don't believe he's paid extra £££ to take it. Just as I don't agree that throwing a chair and hospitalising a steward (or anyone for that matter) is an acceptable reaction to what Adebayor did. Let's hope everyone gets what's coming to them.
Adebayor is clearly guilty of some very poor sportsmanship, and should be punished. RVP may see a ban too for the challenge, but Adebayor has to take responsibility for where he puts his foot, and he had plenty of time to reconsider that goal celebration. Perhaps the worst incident though is the one involving the steward. I hope they identify the people responsible and ban them indefinitely.
It's a shame that the game was spoiled by bad behavior.
It also overshadows the epic match between MLS frontrunners Columbus and Houston. I was in attendance last night and it was an exciting, close game. Each side had a player sent off toward the end and Columbus scored the winner with a 90th minute penalty to end it 2-1. We are now top 'o the League, with a game in hand on all our rivals!
EDIT: Eduardo ban overturned. From the BBC:
Not sure what to make of this. IMO that was as flagrant a dive as any I've seen. If that one isn't punishable none of them should be.
It's a shame that the game was spoiled by bad behavior.
It also overshadows the epic match between MLS frontrunners Columbus and Houston.
I was in attendance last night and it was an exciting, close game. Each side had a player sent off toward the end and Columbus scored the winner with a 90th minute penalty to end it 2-1. We are now top 'o the League, with a game in hand on all our rivals!EDIT: Eduardo ban overturned. From the BBC:
Not sure what to make of this. IMO that was as flagrant a dive as any I've seen. If that one isn't punishable none of them should be.
Obviously, a lot has been said and written over the past few days about Adebayor's behaviour – everyone has an opinion it seems, from TV pundits and newspaper columnists all the way down to fans on messageboards and blogs. However, a little earlier I was fortunate enough to see the definitive analysis of the two incidents he's being castigated for.
Ian 'Wrighty' Wright has got a new gig hosting a magazine show on Channel Five, and naturally couldn't resist discussing Saturday's events with his two co-presenters, Melinda Messenger and some bint who didn't win The Apprentice. The two ladies didn't understand the fuss over the celebration and the reaction of the Arsenal support ('Aren't footballers supposed to try and score goals? They should be chuffed!'), but both agreed that Adebayor should be punished severely for the rake on Van Persie when the incensed Ian 'Wrighty' Wright confirmed to their astonishment that he'd done it on purpose.
The FA, take note.
Unfortunately, we switched over before Katie Price came on so I'm unsure if they grilled her for her opinion on the subject.
Meanwhile, Uefa's decision to overturn the Eduardo ban is rather unsurprising. Arsenal are a big club, and it's with the big clubs that the power lies – Europe's elite won't be happy at the prospect of their turf-loving players picking up bans for their antics, and Uefa likes to keep them happy. Does this mean the witch hunt is over then, and is there any chance of Aiden McGeady appealing his dismissal for diving?
Ian 'Wrighty' Wright has got a new gig hosting a magazine show on Channel Five, and naturally couldn't resist discussing Saturday's events with his two co-presenters, Melinda Messenger and some bint who didn't win The Apprentice. The two ladies didn't understand the fuss over the celebration and the reaction of the Arsenal support ('Aren't footballers supposed to try and score goals? They should be chuffed!'), but both agreed that Adebayor should be punished severely for the rake on Van Persie when the incensed Ian 'Wrighty' Wright confirmed to their astonishment that he'd done it on purpose.
The FA, take note.
Unfortunately, we switched over before Katie Price came on so I'm unsure if they grilled her for her opinion on the subject.
Meanwhile, Uefa's decision to overturn the Eduardo ban is rather unsurprising. Arsenal are a big club, and it's with the big clubs that the power lies – Europe's elite won't be happy at the prospect of their turf-loving players picking up bans for their antics, and Uefa likes to keep them happy. Does this mean the witch hunt is over then, and is there any chance of Aiden McGeady appealing his dismissal for diving?
Hurrah! The traditional response to being top of the league is to 'stand up', so off you go.
Overturning bans undermines credibility IMO...My opinion is that Eduardo went to ground deliberately to get a penalty. Now, the wording of the ruling (that he did not attempt to "deceive" the referee) seems to indicate that Eduardo has been judged to have gone to ground legitimately, presumably as the result of Boruc's challenge - how else could he have legitimately gone down? I disagree if that's the case.
Hurrah! The traditional response to being top of the league is to 'stand up', so off you go.
On my feet! Not only did I stand up, but I shouted myself hoarse.
Talismanic captain (and goalscorer) Frankie Hejduk ran over to our section after the final whistle and wildly waved his hands towards us in a rising gesture to get a cheer, shouting F--- Yeah! F--- Yeah! so loud I could hear it ten rows up. The man is always full of enthusiasm...though I'm not sure what the mother of three in front of us thought of that particular expression of enthusiasm. I had to restrain myself from answering that cheer.
Eduardo,
If the heel is clipped, you must acquit.
Another fine mess ends in not proven, still UEFA officials probably had a good lunch.
Talking of fine messes, slick huh, John Barnes before Roy Keane?
Cheers,
OW
If the heel is clipped, you must acquit.
Another fine mess ends in not proven, still UEFA officials probably had a good lunch.
Talking of fine messes, slick huh, John Barnes before Roy Keane?
Cheers,
OW
New Premier league squad rules:
A good start at managing squad sizes I think, but the last part is a problem. Obviously teams will list no-one under 21 in the initial 25 and then add their under 21's in addition to the 25 originally named players.
A good start at managing squad sizes I think, but the last part is a problem. Obviously teams will list no-one under 21 in the initial 25 and then add their under 21's in addition to the 25 originally named players.
And we have a quota.
From next season, Premier League clubs must put forward a squad of no more than 25 players, of which eight must be 'homegrown' – that is, they must have been trained for at least three years under the age of 21 by an English or Welsh club.
If a player is under the age of 21 though, they can be played irrespective of whether they're in the named squad. If that makes sense.
According to what Sky have just said, we'll be fine as we currently have 20 players who qualify as 'homegrown', although of course we're the Worst Team In Premier League History™ and will be relegated by the end of the month so it won't matter.
From next season, Premier League clubs must put forward a squad of no more than 25 players, of which eight must be 'homegrown' – that is, they must have been trained for at least three years under the age of 21 by an English or Welsh club.
If a player is under the age of 21 though, they can be played irrespective of whether they're in the named squad. If that makes sense.
According to what Sky have just said, we'll be fine as we currently have 20 players who qualify as 'homegrown', although of course we're the Worst Team In Premier League History™ and will be relegated by the end of the month so it won't matter.
So very, very true.
Arsenal should have taken care of this in-house before it even reached UEFA.
Edit: Potential loop hole?
So does that mean a club can bring over a foreign 14-year old kid, have him registered (but not necessarily play him) in one of their junior feeder teams, buy his parents a house and then register him age 17 as "home grown". Oh wait....
I'm sure no club would stoop to such disgraceful behaviour.So does that mean a club can bring over a foreign 14-year old kid, have him registered (but not necessarily play him) in one of their junior feeder teams, buy his parents a house and then register him age 17 as "home grown". Oh wait....
By the way, I wonder how Chelsea are set up for this? With their transfer ban might they find themselves in a sticky spot if they have to boost up their 'homegrown' tally? Of course, it's a moot point as they'll get the ban overturned on appeal...
Also introduced with immediate effect are a raft of new regulations governing club finances. Obviously these are to do with numbers and are therefore a bit boring, but basically they mean all Premier League clubs have to have their books in order, or they could face sanctions such as transfer embargos and having their budgets set for them.
I expect there'll be some accountants having a busy time over the next few weeks...
I expect there'll be some accountants having a busy time over the next few weeks...
I believe Arsenal argued the fact that Eduardo went to ground, not to win a penalty, but to avoid contact with Boruc, worried by the horrific injury he sustained previously. The fact that he didn't appeal for a penalty was also used to substantiate this claim.
it will be interesting to see just how the new financial controls effect the way clubs are run...
Hmmm, yes, someone had brought that scenario up in a podcast I was listening to, and I forgot about it. I suppose there could be something in that.
Still, you know that everybody who susbsequently gets banned for diving will point to this incident as a cased of justice miscarrying...
EDIT: Burley remains in place for Scotland. Thoughts from our Scottish contingent?
Hmmm, yes, someone had brought that scenario up in a podcast I was listening to, and I forgot about it. I suppose there could be something in that.
Still, you know that everybody who susbsequently gets banned for diving will point to this incident as a cased of justice miscarrying...
EDIT: Burley remains in place for Scotland. Thoughts from our Scottish contingent?
Unfortunately, I think the whole thing will get swept under the carpet
In other news:
Full story here
I see the quota system affecting the first teams very, very little. Foreign content of the big four's starting XI will remain unchanged. Reserve teams will become more "domestic" though. But it might just lead to situations where teams merely register foreign players earlier in order to make them "home-grown".
By the way, Jaffa - While down at the MLS match on Sunday I noticed several people sporting the Hull City home kit - with Altidore on the back of course. They have it on special at worldsoccershop.com
By the way, Jaffa - While down at the MLS match on Sunday I noticed several people sporting the Hull City home kit - with Altidore on the back of course. They have it on special at worldsoccershop.com
Truly, we are standing at the dawn of Tiger world domination.
The boy Altidore is the cover star of City Magazine this month, and there's a big feature on him inside. We loves us some Jozy.
Hang on... he's 19 now, so if we keep him after the end of this season up until he's 21 we'll be able to count him as 'homegrown'. Ace.
Very nice! Fingers crossed that he continues to develop into the star the USA hopes he will become.
That would be me? Total apathy up here I'm afraid. Reading your comment was the first I'd heard of it because it didn't even make the front page of the BBC Scotland section!
Obviously the SFA in their wisdom are judging him on his last 1.5 games rather than the initial 10.5. But they couldn't afford to replace him and there is nobody stepping up to replace him. I guess we'll have to see if we qualify for Poland/Ukraine 2012. Even the only guaranteed way to qualify for a major championship, being the host, is now beyond our reach since from 2016 the UEFA championships is being expanded to 24 teams and so we don't have sufficient facilities. Mind you, that also means there are an additional 8 places available....
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