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Crazy times for Hull City and Rangers...

I was just reading this article on the BBC website about Hull's financial troubles. I found this part most interesting, a quote by some professor or another the BBC interviewed :

The reality is that Premiership football clubs are living beyond their means.

The only solution at the moment for most clubs is some kind of fairy godfather from the Middle East or Asia.

What does that say about where all the wealth is going these days?
 
You have to keep the penalty kick, otherwise the 18 yard box would be a scene of constant madness

As opposed to the madness that the box is currently, due specifically to diving? The pitch is not the place for either intentional fouls through diving or poor referees that either can't spot diving when it occurs or issue cards for assumed diving when it clearly is not. We are all aware that football (soccer) has a long heritage and the ruling bodies are reluctant to take action in the form of rulemaking here. However, to have game after game settled not by 90 minute field action but rather by undeserved penalty kicks ruins the game and promotes diving as a pursued field practice irrespective of penalties that may be issued. Eliminating the calls for diving takes away the unfair advantage ~ it can be done in a heartbeat!

I'd love to see more done against diving, but I don't see anything changing the current rule about "deceiving the referee", a rule that has proven ineffective because, as the Eduardo incident proved, it's almost impossible to prove a player was trying to deceive the ref if they accept the "anticipating contact" defense.

Eliminating all Referee calls for diving affects the desired yield; it achieves better action in the final third by the offense and frees up the defense that are too worried about blocking forwards and prompting a dive. "Deceiving the Referee" happens and will happens, both with diving in the box and with play all over the pitch... Harsh and real penalties (beyond cards/booking) also needs to occur for diving by team bosses and coaches. It will yield better soccer.
 
However, to have game after game settled not by 90 minute field action but rather by undeserved penalty kicks ruins the game and promotes diving as a pursued field practice irrespective of penalties that may be issued. Eliminating the calls for diving takes away the unfair advantage ~ it can be done in a heartbeat!

But look at it from this perspective: Assuming we eliminate penalties, lets say a match sits 1-0 in the final minute of injury time and the losing team has a corner or free kick. The delivery is good, the keeper is stranded and the attacking team's tallest player (positioned right on the back post) looks set to snap a header into an open net. suddenly the defending center back pushes him onto his backside and the ball sails harmlessly out of bounds.

Under your rules the defender would, I assume, get sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity with the foul. But then what? A direct free kick with the ball placed right in front of the goal line by the post? Where can the defenders line up their wall? On the line, which is inches from the ball? where does the keeper stand? Inside the goal? Or a direct free kick from the former penalty spot, or the edge 6 yard box? In all cases the defending team has a clear advantage and an incentive to commit flagrant fouls at the end of matches. What does it matter if you get a player or two sent off if the trade off is preventing an almost certain goal?

I think that would lead to lots of late, cynical fouls in the box with no attempt to play the ball. It would turn into rugby.

I'm not saying diving isn't a problem, but I don't think eliminating penalties would change things. Players would still dive in the box to get defenders sent off and win free kicks, but in addition defenders would take bigger risks because a flagrant foul in the box would be less likely to result in conceding a goal.
 
Hmm. Adam Pearson has left Derby County to 'pursue other challenges'.

This is of interest because Sir Adam was of course the owner and chairman of Hull City, before he sold up to the Bartlett/Duffen collective. He bought the club when we were on the verge of bankruptcy, oversaw the move to the KC and presided over our consecutive promotions to the Championship.

Is the timing of him leaving the Rams pure coincidence, I wonder?

Hmm...

It would turn into rugby.
Woah! Steady on, your Lordship! :eek:
 
I'm hearing this evening that Pearson has bought a number of shares in City, and I'll be surprised if he's not the new chairman.

As for Brown – assuming that the statement on the website stands and he's still manager – Pearson has not been quick to get rid of under performing gaffers in the past. Indeed, Brown was a coach at the club under Pearson during Phil Parkinson's time as manager, so he'll be aware of the fact that Pearson doesn't mess around in this regard.

However, the financial situation does throw a question mark over the manager's future. Can we afford to sack Brown, given that he'll be entitled to a large sum in compensation? And even if we did, would the fact that January is likely to be light on transfer funds attract a suitable successor?

Curbishley is at 5/1 to be the next permanent City manager, incidentally. Deano's down as 33/1. :p
 
Before the pundits get carried away, I want to state here and now that I'm not expecting Aquilani to solve all of Liverpool's problems or be a direct replacement for Alonso. There is a real danger that unfairly high expectations will be placed on him when he starts playing in league matches. All I ask from him are meaningful contributions, not miracles.

I'm hearing this evening that Pearson has bought a number of shares in City, and I'll be surprised if he's not the new chairman.

Looking at it as a neutral, I'd hope for as few personnel changes as possible unless the intent is to get a new manager and give him a useful chunk of money to spend. Expecting a new manager to bring about drastically better results with the same squad would be unfair.
 
Before the pundits get carried away, I want to state here and now that I'm not expecting Aquilani to solve all of Liverpool's problems or be a direct replacement for Alonso. There is a real danger that unfairly high expectations will be placed on him when he starts playing in league matches. All I ask from him are meaningful contributions, not miracles.

Indeed, Liverpool are now 0-1 with Aquilani, time to ship him off!

(Arsenal won today :))
 
USA has lined up a friendly with Slovakia four days after our friendly with Denmark this November. This should be another good chance to play decent opposition (both also going to South Africa) away from home, and in the case of Slovakia a team we've never faced before. The most interesting part will be to see if Bob Bradley has decided on a favorite starting XI yet...the squad's starting lineup is still a bit fluid for my liking.

(Arsenal won today :))

Thanks for the reminder <grimace>...

Well, our squad is too thin as it is...the last thing wee need is to be trying to stretch it across four cup competitions. We'll probably get dumped out of the Champions League early this time too. I don't care...my expectations for Liverpool this season are as follows - finish in the top four and try to take some points of the rest of the big clubs. More importantly, sort out the financial problems and make money available for transfers.
 
Duffen's resigned as Chairman, which isn't a surprise - Phil Brown has a press conference this dinnertime. It's a scheduled conference ahead of the weekend's match - holding them midweek when we have an away fixture isn't uncommon - but it promises to be very interesting indeed...

EDIT: I watched the press conference. Dead man walking.

He may well be our manager on Saturday, I doubt however he'll be in charge against Stoke City the following weekend.
 
I don't know, as a neutral I can't help but feel sorry for PB. He did take the team into the Premiership, had a successful first season (kept them up) and had a few great results in the process. Perhaps he's a victim of his limited (for lack of a better word) success or is it the notorious Second Season Syndrome? I'm not sure but I can shake the feeling that he's getting the short end of the stick.. Please enlighten me Jaffa.

P.S. (only becuase I haven't said anythign since the result :p) Congrats LB on the thorough spanking you gave us and I guess Rafa lives to die another day.. ;)
 
He started by reading out a statement referring to Duffen's departure (which was announced officially this morning), and thanking him for the part he played in the club's success over the past couple of years. He went on to say that the press conference was to discuss Saturday's match and not Duffen, and became visibly irritated with questions about our former chairman, in particular those coming from the reporter from the local radio station.

The BBC have the press conference posted up, although I'm not sure if you'll be able to view it in your Stateside stately home, your Lordship. If not, I'll post up some key quotes for you and the other non-Englandshirers.

No hard and fast rumours as to a replacement yet that I've heard – hopefully I might be speaking to a couple of 'sources' tomorrow, so we'll see. However, Duffen's replacement will be Adam Pearson and I expect that to be officially announced when he returns from a family holiday on Monday.
 
Jaffa, that link worked fine....persistent little buggers, these journalists, eh?
That wasn't the half of it, that clip wasn't actually the full press conference. The 'next question' also referred to Duffen, a clearly irritated Brown remarked that he wouldn't be playing on Saturday. :D

I don't know, as a neutral I can't help but feel sorry for PB. He did take the team into the Premiership, had a successful first season (kept them up) and had a few great results in the process. Perhaps he's a victim of his limited (for lack of a better word) success or is it the notorious Second Season Syndrome? I'm not sure but I can shake the feeling that he's getting the short end of the stick.. Please enlighten me Jaffa.
It's a tough one.

What you have to remember is – despite the poor form this year – Phil Brown is arguably the best manager in our history, and to date he has done everything asked of him, and more. He was installed as caretaker manager to keep us in the Championship during the 2006-07 season, and successfully steered us away from relegation. He then said – and was mocked for saying – that it was his aim to get us in the Premier League within three seasons. He did it in one, in the process taking us to our joint highest ever league finish and our first ever trip to Wembley.

Our aim for last season was simple – keep us up, something every pundit told us was impossible. Some even doubted we would win a game. But he defied the odds and – despite the sorry form of the second half of last season – kept us in the Premier League, and while he was at it took us further in the FA Cup than we'd been in over 30 years.

My point is that when we consider Phil Brown we have to remember that he's achieved things at Hull City that many other managers have failed to do, including several with much bigger reputations and much more experience. In the process, he's also managed to really upset the likes of Piers Morgan and Ian 'Wrighty' Wright so that's a big plus in his favour. :D

However, the problem for me is what's been going on both on and off the pitch. Our play has become increasingly negative as Brown's selections and substitutions have become increasingly strange. It's said that he's fallen out with a number of players, and that morale at the training ground is very low indeed. His public comments on some of the playing staff – and on other matters – have been ill advised and don't reflect well on either him or the club. His handling of the media – in particular in recent months – have swung between the inept and the childish, and as previously discussed they need little encouragement to have a pop at Brown, the club or – in some instances – the city itself.

How much his hands have been tied by our financial situation is anyone's guess – I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have wanted Turner sold unless there was genuine need, for example – but it's clear things aren't right. I'm not one of the folk who's leapt on the 'Brown out' bandwagon by any means, but as I said at the start of the month I thought October was the month in which we'd see if Phil Brown was the man to take us forward. To be honest, even before our final game of the month I've not seen a huge deal to suggest that he is. I think that the time may have come when a new manager with fresh ideas is needed, but I take no pleasure in saying that. Football is a remarkably unsentimental business and sometimes harsh decisions have to be made. Brown has done remarkably well with us, but that hard work is in serious danger of being unravelled.
 
A very even-handed assessment Jaffa.

The biggest problem with sacking Brown and getting a new manager is that unless money is freed up for transfers you'll be expecting him to improve results with the same group of players, and that may be a big ask.

I suppose the question now is, are they already planning to sack Brown, or are they considering giving him a chance to improve results?

EDIT: Marlon King is going to jail. Can't say I feel sorry for him after what he's done, he took a page straight out of Joey Barton's Book of Scumbag-ness. At his age one would think it could very well end his career in the top flight.

EDIT 2: No Gerrard or Johnson or Aquilani for Saturday. But we will have Torres. Should be a win....but this is turning out to be a rather unpredictable season for the whole league, lots of upsets so far. For Fantasy Football purposes, I hope it's a 3-2 Liverpool victory with a Torres hat trick and Clint Dempsey brace. ;)
 
He's a deeply unpleasant man, Marlon King, and he's got what he deserved. I'm a little baffled by Dave Whelan's comment that he didn't know the severity of what King was accused of - it was common knowledge, indeed he was greeted with songs relating to his crime on both occasions that our paths have crossed this year.

But all credit to Whelan for effectively sacking King. We'll see who's prepared to touch him once he gets out.
 
Great play today by Arsenal against Sp*rs, though we looked a bit uncomfortable until the first goal. Once that got through we certainly maintained possession better and created more chances.

What a goal by Cesc!
 
Watching the Chelsea-Bolton match and Bolton played pretty well....up to the point they gave up that penalty. :rolleyes:

Shame Chelsea look set to win on a call, they have the possession but Bolton's long balls are creating real chances.
 
Liverpool have now lost 6 out of the last 7 matches. Rafa takes off Torres when they're down by a goal. Later takes off Benayoun while they're down to 10 men. Dodgy red card or not, Rafa seems more concerned about winning in Europe this season. If they lose to Lyon on wednesday... well...
 
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