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2009 Formula One Thread

MOFS said:
You do realise the £40million doesn't include drivers, marketing etc?
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actually i was wondering what the cap would entail.
so...
chassis, chassis development?...

edit: ya sorry people, i don't read the news at all about f1. i watch it. this is my main source of news.
 
benlangdon said:
actually i was wondering what the cap would entail.
so...
chassis, chassis development?...

edit: ya sorry people, i don't read the news at all about f1. i watch it. this is my main source of news.
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hehe no need to apologise - we're all friends here.:) The cap does include chassis development. I guess the aim is to stop something like what happened in 2008, when parts were added right until the last couple of races. The FOTA plan is apparently to standardise some of the aero parts.

Re: keeping up with this, try Autosport and James Allen's blog – they're pretty good at this. I'd recommend anyone to read in particular the lawyers' letters – it perhaps highlights the difference between this and the FOCA arguments in the 1970's.
 
Formula One has been thrown into chaos with the news that the Formula One Teams Association (Fota) plan to set up a rival championship in 2010.

World motorsport boss Max Mosley had written to five of the potential breakaway teams in a bid to end the bitter row over budget cap proposals.
But the appeal of the FIA chief does not appear to have had any impact.
Following a four-hour meeting, Fota announced that it had grown frustrated with the stance of Mosley and the FIA.

"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a Fota statement.

"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners.

"This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.

"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8108488.stm

Sounds good. I wonder what will happen to the Codemasters F1 game? :D
 
nice.
i hope, hope, that this is a better series.

but besides that, i really hope that this helps improve daily life cars from the manufactures. very little has been making its way down.

but if they start bringing out turbo'ed v10's i can deal with that:D
 
Or it could be the start of something better.
However, you know there's going to be months of legal wrangling and muck slinging :rolleyes:
 
Fizzoid said:
Or it could be the start of something better.
However, you know there's going to be months of legal wrangling and muck slinging :rolleyes:
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That's my worry. Ferrari are legally contracted to compete in F1 (no doubt about it – if Williams think they are, Ferrari must be too). We'll have a hissy fit with Ferrari. And still no guarantee the new series will happen. In the UK, for example, where will it be shown? Sky? Pull in 500,000 people per race? Yeah that'll really pull in the money for them.:rolleyes:
 
You're jumping the gun guys - re-read the FOTA press release CAREFULLY

"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a Fota statement.

As of now - they're still in the 2010 starting list.

"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners.

That's not starting a new series - it's thinking about starting to get ready to set one up.

As of now - there is NO new series, and the teams are entered for 2010. Ferrari, STR and Red Bull will need to go to the courts to get out of F1 at the very least.

I'm still fairly confident we will see one series in 2010 - it will be called F1 - and it'll be pretty much the same as it is in 2009. Both sides of this pathetic willy waving contest know that neither can afford to rip the sport in half.
 
Anyone watching the practice? Quite a lot of overtaking and racing between Massa, Alonso and a Force India, they cut to the Ferrari race engineer and he was saying "What the **** was that?" :D
 
xUKHCx said:
Anyone watching the practice? Quite a lot of overtaking and racing between Massa, Alonso and a Force India, they cut to the Ferrari race engineer and he was saying "What the **** was that?" :D
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haha nice, i started to then hit a commercial and was like forget it.
ugh, tivo has turned me into a advertising snob.
same with firefox's add blocker add ons.
 
holy guacamole! we can only hope they the teams get their **** together and manage to bypass all legal hurdles and whetever else bernie throws at them, and provide some sort of series for next year.

i am behind them 100% and will watch them. TV will be key.
they have to show it live in most places.


i'll write to speed TV asking them to show the new series, i recommend everyone does the same to your local broadcasting channel.
 
I hate to distract from the excitement that is F1 politics, but there's an event on this weekend.

Looking good for RBR.

Was I seeing things or did a Force India manage to crash into it's team mate in the pits at the end of the session?
 
I thought this was good:

However, Mosley told the BBC that he was confident there would be one Formula 1 world championship next season.

"We had to take legal proceedings. That's all part of the process, but the moment they come to their senses that will all stop," he said.

"This is posturing and posing and it will stop before the start of 2010 and the first race of next season in Melbourne and settle down.
"They can't get the backing they need and will come back."
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MOFS said:
F1/ open wheel motorsport is dead.
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I tend to agree.

While a much smaller market than F1, the CART/IRL split destroyed open-wheel racing in the United States and the ALMS/GrandAm split is doing much the same to road-course racing.

Monaco has already informed the FIA that unless a Ferrari is in the field, they should not bother to show up at Monte Carlo next year. So that appears to be one track FOTA can count on and that's the one track that matters most to the FIA and Formula One Management.

Mosley is now mumbling about Silverstone getting the 2010 BGP, as well, but one wonders if that is because Donnington Park really will not be ready in 12 months or if it is a way to try and keep Silverstone from signing an agreement with FOTA to host the British round of their breakaway series.

The FIA World Motorsports Council is meeting very soon and there are mumblings they may force Mosley out in order to try and bring FOTA back to the negotiating table.



Both sides have serious ability to hurt each other and if they choose to exercise those options, it will get very ugly.

The FIA can put pressure on the drivers (revocation of their Super Licenses) and tracks (revocation of any FIA-sanctioned event).

And the FOTA teams have the names and, frankly, the product that the international fanbase wants. Facilities that are already struggling to justify continuing to run a round of the F1 World Championship with the existing teams might decide that running the FIA's "Formula 1/2" is not worth it, especially at the fees Bernie charges. And without those great names, Bernie's ability to try and use new countries and/or venues to twist arms might be hurt.
 
CWallace said:
I tend to agree.

While a much smaller market than F1, the CART/IRL split destroyed open-wheel racing in the United States and the ALMS/GrandAm split is doing much the same to road-course racing.

Monaco has already informed the FIA that unless a Ferrari is in the field, they should not bother to show up at Monte Carlo next year. So that appears to be one track FOTA can count on and that's the one track that matters most to the FIA and Formula One Management.

Mosley is now mumbling about Silverstone getting the 2010 BGP, as well, but one wonders if that is because Donnington Park really will not be ready in 12 months or if it is a way to try and keep Silverstone from signing an agreement with FOTA to host the British round of their breakaway series.

The FIA World Motorsports Council is meeting very soon and there are mumblings they may force Mosley out in order to try and bring FOTA back to the negotiating table.



Both sides have serious ability to hurt each other and if they choose to exercise those options, it will get very ugly.

The FIA can put pressure on the drivers (revocation of their Super Licenses) and tracks (revocation of any FIA-sanctioned event).

And the FOTA teams have the names and, frankly, the product that the international fanbase wants. Facilities that are already struggling to justify continuing to run a round of the F1 World Championship with the existing teams might decide that running the FIA's "Formula 1/2" is not worth it, especially at the fees Bernie charges. And without those great names, Bernie's ability to try and use new countries and/or venues to twist arms might be hurt.
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good analysis.

i think the difference with the IRL/Champ split is how much more leverage FOTA has. I don't see the issue of circuits being an unsormountable one.

there are the circuits that have been left out because of issues with bernie (montreal, indy fro example) that might be happy to re-join, and other than Monaco there are plenty of circuits that will follow suit, starting from Monza (i can only imagine waht the tifosi would do if monza sticks to the fia side), dubai/bahrein where I am certain that ferrari is by far the main drawing reason of existance (don't they have some sort of ferrari-themed park opening?).
Alonso has already declared that he's following suit, and with him does Spain.
France will follow Renault and Silverstone will be more than happy to stick it to bernie.
Take into account the McLaren/Hamilton factor and you have pretty much the entire who's who on one side, and two widely despised figures with a bunch on low-weight figures on the other.

Williams is the only exception, but if the fota initiative moves on, i think that F1 will actually fold rather than try to compete, and williams will re-join the teams.

for tv, it is similar, there are plenty of channels that would be more than happy to pick up the new series if the ones that currently have them are stuck with the old F1, which they probably won't anyway, as i am sure they have protections as well if f1 shows up without real cars.

it all boils down to legal aspects and what the contracts really say.
 
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