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2009 Formula One Thread

Vogue Harper said:
But at least it is Brawn and Button winning with RBR challenging rather than another season of McLaren/Ferrari domination. I am a big Button fan, I like his style and professionalism and I do hope he wins the championship which will validate the way he has approached the sport over the last nine years.
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i am fine with button winning (though i admit am a bit surprised on how well he is driving, i actually thought barrichello had an edge on him) and the subversion of the preconstituted order, i just wished that it came in a less dominant fashion.
i am sure even you, as a button fan, would have preferred him and vettel battling out with alternate fortunes until the last race (and a button win, of course ;))

Vogue Harper said:
The FIA Championship would in theory have been Williams, Force India, Manor F1, Campos Meta and Team USA. Although quite how any of these teams would have fielded cars when their engine suppliers were away running in the FOTA championship would have been intriguing.
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As i said, a championship with only williams would have collapsed before even starting ;)
 
Superman07 said:
Wow, which one?! I specifically check the paper over the weekend (Washington Post) and it didn't mention even a blurb about the FOTA split.
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the register? its like southern California, orange county. worst newspaper ever besides the funnies. but that brief article gave me an ounce of hope that it might be a good newspaper.
 
Flavio stepping on the toes of the FIA?

Well, with what little we know of FOTA’s plan, you can see where Max got his ammunition. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76517 says that “Flavio will also be working with the commercial rights holder to improve the show and the interest in the sport”. How anyone can believe the teams dictating terms on a sport is good is beyond me. I hope that this sudden power gain doesn’t cause a shift the other way. Objective regulation is necessary, and I worry that the current teams can’t provide this.

EDIT: Something like this.:rolleyes: IMHO FOTA are gloating rather too much. An agreement is just that – a two way process.
 
Well the teams running CART in the 1980s and 1990s didn't exactly set the series up for long-term success even before the split that created the IRL.

Still, Flavio is a showman so I am inclined to believe he can't make the show any worse. ;)

As for Mosley, hopefully the World Motorsports Council will just toss him when they meet in the next week or so.
 
I do see the point about rules changes costing much money, but its fun for the fans to see the teams flipped about. I also do see that the cars look dramatically different as it is. IMO the old Red Bull and current Toro Rosso look bitchin. The hammerhead look of the BMW looks sweet as well. I like that Red Bull/ Toro Rosso use different suspension as well. At least RB took the win last weekend.

As far as passing, its ALWAYS going to be different unless aero rules are dramatically changed. Maybe all fan cars, little aero? Not much dirty air to worry about but still tons of downforce?

Problem with keeping rules so long is that all cars end up evolving in the same direction (for the most part)

Does it really bother people that JB is so dominant? I race RC cars myself, and its ALWAYS the driver with the best equipment and skills that wins. Looking at the Pros, its usually the same 10 on podium all year round. Youll have 500+ people show up for the Snowbirds in FL and its still the same 10 people ending up in the A Main.

I read that difference between cars is greater than the difference between drivers. This is what amazes me about Hamilton. ****** car, still mid-back of pack at race end. I LOVE watching him drive. He's got balls, especially on some of those moves last Sunday. My gosh that was exciting.
 
bartelby said:
Actually, no I didn't.

I'm hoping FIA bods will realise he's done too much damage to F1 over the last few years and he won't get re-elected
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From what I've read here*, it appears to be more of a reminder that the FIA are still in charge. One of the things that is worrying me at the moment is the speed at which FOTA are taking over departments in the sport –*Flavio with commercial rights dealings for example – and would rather an independent team of people are employed to sort who works out where. FOTA seem to be strongly dictating the terms at the moment.

*Yes I know it's James Allen. However, his blog has been the best place to follow this whole fiasco. And he's now the questioneer at the post-podium press conference.
 
If Briatori can pull off the following I have faith he knows how to make the sport a good show:

In the late 1990s, Briatore gained notoriety among European tabloids for his romantic relationships with supermodels such as Naomi Campbell, Adriana Volpe, Bruce Willis' current wife Emma Heming and Heidi Klum. Klum gave birth to Briatore's only child, a daughter named Helene "Leni" Klum, on 4 May 2004. According to Klum, Briatore is not involved in the child's life.[12] Briatore married the 28-year-old 'Wonderbra' model Elisabetta Gregoraci, on June 14 2008. The driver of the bridal car was Fernando Alonso. After the ceremony, Alonso drove the newlyweds to the reception at the Castello di Torcrescenza.[13]
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rezenclowd3 said:
As far as passing, its ALWAYS going to be different unless aero rules are dramatically changed. Maybe all fan cars, little aero? Not much dirty air to worry about but still tons of downforce?
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GP2 allows underfloor aero/ground effects currently banned in F1 and it seems to allow those cars to race very close together, so returning those to F1 and doing away with the flat bottoms might help.

EDIT - Meant GP2, not GP1
 
CWallace said:
GP1 allows underfloor aero/ground effects currently banned in F1 and it seems to allow those cars to race very close together, so returning those to F1 and doing away with the flat bottoms might help.
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I thought the major problem was the mechanical grip versus aerodynamic grip. Mechanical grip this year has been improved with slick tyres, but the teams manage to stay ahead of the curve by investing more in the aeros. Thats why Tilke has tried to design circuits with a run of slow corner-straight-wide corner to allow cars to get close and overtake on straights.
 
I suppose one of the things Spook noticed that could be introduced to increase mechanical grip would be 4 wheel drive. Whether that has been jettisoned amongst the other things for the 2010 season. Luca di Montezemulo, seems as hell-bent on warping F1 to his own image:

Autosport said:
Maybe the possibility to have some teams or all the teams to run even a third car.
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A third car? Why? so we can see Ferrari 1-2-3? Or Force India 24-25-26? Who does this benefit? Is it an early attempt to pre-empt a "no, actually, we still don't like these new teams coz we don't recognise their names, so we're gonna ban them with our new-fangled influence and just spend as much as possible.":mad:
 
It seems like ages since I have posted on here, probably is!

Anyway a lot has been happening, Max has been his usual idiotic self and Bridgestone are trying to manipulate the championship results as Bernie is getting worried Brawn will run away with things.

In many ways I wish this break-away had worked and Bernie had jumped ship to run it with them. The FIA is crippling F1. KERS is a joke and an embarrassment to motorsport. If a government had introduced a law which back-fired so spectacularly then they would be give a vote of no confidence. Max is the head of the FIA and as such, he should step down. This is his biggest mistake and everything else just makes his position less tenable.

It goes back to his 'spank-gate'. He knows that is was individuals within certain teams that set him up and he is looking to get back at them. It is personal revenge, pure and simple. Go Max and hide in some bunker where you can be spanked to your hearts delight.

With regard to the Bridgestone situation. Why have Brawn and Button been so dominant this season? They have been able to manage the tyres so much better than anyone else and this rule will mean they don't have such an advantage over Red Bull and Toyota as they had earlier. Hopefully making the season more exciting, just what Bernie wants. He wants the season to go to the last race of the season. How boring would it be if there was nothing to race for in the first G.P. in Abu Dhabi.
 
R.Youden said:
It seems like ages since I have posted on here, probably is!

Anyway a lot has been happening, Max has been his usual idiotic self and Bridgestone are trying to manipulate the championship results as Bernie is getting worried Brawn will run away with things.

In many ways I wish this break-away had worked and Bernie had jumped ship to run it with them. The FIA is crippling F1. KERS is a joke and an embarrassment to motorsport. If a government had introduced a law which back-fired so spectacularly then they would be give a vote of no confidence. Max is the head of the FIA and as such, he should step down. This is his biggest mistake and everything else just makes his position less tenable.

It goes back to his 'spank-gate'. He knows that is was individuals within certain teams that set him up and he is looking to get back at them. It is personal revenge, pure and simple. Go Max and hide in some bunker where you can be spanked to your hearts delight.

With regard to the Bridgestone situation. Why have Brawn and Button been so dominant this season? They have been able to manage the tyres so much better than anyone else and this rule will mean they don't have such an advantage over Red Bull and Toyota as they had earlier. Hopefully making the season more exciting, just what Bernie wants. He wants the season to go to the last race of the season. How boring would it be if there was nothing to race for in the first G.P. in Abu Dhabi.
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It might help Brawn at Spa, especially if it rains. The upgrades due at Hockenheim should help too – don't forget they delayed introducing some at Silverstone to deal with the tyres issue.
 
Not F1 related, but there was no Le Mans thread and I didn't want to start one this long after the race. I've uploaded a whole load of photos from Le Mans. They'll be joined in a couple of days by my photos from Silverstone.

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SpookTheHamster said:
Not F1 related, but there was no Le Mans thread and I didn't want to start one this long after the race. I've uploaded a whole load of photos from Le Mans. They'll be joined in a couple of days by my photos from Silverstone.

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Looks like you were at a great spot – you should submit some of thos for Wikipedia; great views of the cars.I always wondered how the Audi would manage in the rain – seemed a bit unfair they didn't have a roof but Peugeot did.
 
Wow, things have surely changed since my last post. I declared FIA-F1 dead already, but luckily the bone-head buried the axe (for now at least).

Want to see exciting races? Bring back brakes of 80's, that'll be enough. If drivers have to brake 150m before corner, there'll be more overtaking than if they get to brake 50m before corner. Simple as that. Today's brakes are just too good, we need to make them worse.
 
JFreak said:
Want to see exciting races? Bring back brakes of 80's, that'll be enough. If drivers have to brake 150m before corner, there'll be more overtaking than if they get to brake 50m before corner. Simple as that. Today's brakes are just too good, we need to make them worse.
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Braking distance is a function of tire grip, not brakes. The only way to introduce what you propose is to introduce brake fade, but I don't think you want drivers going balls out on overheated brakes the entire race.
 
SpookTheHamster said:
Not F1 related, but there was no Le Mans thread and I didn't want to start one this long after the race. I've uploaded a whole load of photos from Le Mans. They'll be joined in a couple of days by my photos from Silverstone.

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nice pics.
dam i was hoping i could find this one thing that happens with the wheels of a car when taking a photo.

if you follow the car while taking the photo, the whole rim be blured evenly because the photo is taken relative to the car.
but if you take the pic relative to the ground, so not following the car when taking the pic, the bottom or the rim will appear completely stationary, while the top of the rim will be 2x as blurry complared to the pic taken relative to the car.

i dunno if i said that right so, ya feel free to correct me.
i have seen this happen on pics, but only because the photographer wanted to see that. i was hoping to see it just by chance. ya... i like to see weird things.
 
benlangdon said:
nice pics.
dam i was hoping i could find this one thing that happens with the wheels of a car when taking a photo.

if you follow the car while taking the photo, the whole rim be blured evenly because the photo is taken relative to the car.
but if you take the pic relative to the ground, so not following the car when taking the pic, the bottom or the rim will appear completely stationary, while the top of the rim will be 2x as blurry complared to the pic taken relative to the car.

i dunno if i said that right so, ya feel free to correct me.
i have seen this happen on pics, but only because the photographer wanted to see that. i was hoping to see it just by chance. ya... i like to see weird things.
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You are talking about panning technique, like this:
 

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