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That would be a very good question. Did anyone checked this already on a mac pro 09 ? But the iTunes thing is a software problem.

I've seen two different pics of the 2009 sinks removed and before cleaning. The pics and related text weren't about paste but I do remember thinking that one of them was way too thickly spread. I remember thinking that because I though it would be impossible for it to remain that thick if the sinks were tightened properly - which confused me. It appeared to be between 1.8 and 2.2 mm thick, evenly caked, and finely patterned as if applied by machine. The one in the other pic appeared normal to me.

So, you guys might be on to something. Hmmm...
 
I've seen two different pics of the 2009 sinks removed and before cleaning. The pics and related text weren't about paste but I do remember thinking that one of them was way too thickly spread. I remember thinking that because I though it would be impossible for it to remain that thick if the sinks were tightened properly - which confused me. It appeared to be between 1.8 and 2.2 mm thick, evenly caked, and finely patterned as if applied by machine. The one in the other pic appeared normal to me.

So, you guys might be on to something. Hmmm...

yes. I am just thinking that at least the 09 quad core mac pro should run very cool because of the really hudge CPU headsinks !
 
yes. I am just thinking that at least the 09 quad core mac pro should run very cool because of the really hudge CPU headsinks !
Actually, they don't look very impressive to me, as far as cooling efficiency is concerned. :(
 
Actually, they don't look very impressive to me, as far as cooling efficiency is concerned. :(

There's a fan and copper tubing in there, looked alright to me.

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There's a fan and copper tubing in there, looked alright to me.
In the sense it's run longitudinally. That is, air flows over a longer surface. As it does this, it heats up, and by the time it exits, the temperature differential is too low to move the necessary amount of heat. So this arrangement messes up the efficiency. That heat, if recycled internally (due to poor exhaust fans in the case), heats up the internal air in the CPU chamber (room temp in the case, which is what actually matters), and makes the situation even worse.

If you look at other air coolers, the air passes over the shorter distance on the fins, and it's not by accident. :p

In this case, it's assisted by a small fan located in the cooler, but to make up the short coming, it must run at higher rpm, creating more noise. The max TDP of W35xx models is 130W, but it should have some overhead built in, as it's strapped to server grade parts. So 200W (130 * 1.5 safety margin & round up) isn't an inordinate value for a design target.

But from my experience, it doesn't appear to be able to handle that much. :( Hopefully it's just me, but the complaints about the '09's running hot seems to support this, as a cooler capable of 200W (or more), wouldn't have this problem, even with some warm air cycling (air flow from case fans less than optimal).

Hope this makes sense. :)
 
I think nano-froggy is right about the heat-sink design. Adding a fan wouldn't be the best solution IMO tho. Replacing the heat-sink with an intelligent design would be better. :) Most of them are under $50 right?

Either that or get out your aluminum chop-saw and shave about an inch off of both ends. :D (j/k)
 
I think nano-froggy is right about the heat-sink design. Adding a fan wouldn't be the best solution IMO tho. Replacing the heat-sink with an intelligent design would be better. :) Most of them are under $50 right?

Either that or get out your aluminum chop-saw and shave about an inch off of both ends. :D (j/k)
None of the 3rd party air coolers would fit. :eek: :( Apple made sure it was proprietary. :rolleyes: ;)
 
Mine too

My 09 quad is running pretty hot as well. I think they may be putting on too much thermal compound. My heatsink temps have been getting up to 58-62 deg C and the core temps to 77-79 Deg C! I moved my tower out of the desk and out against the wall for better circulation but unfortunately this didn't make any difference.
 
My 09 quad is running pretty hot as well. I think they may be putting on too much thermal compound. My heatsink temps have been getting up to 58-62 deg C and the core temps to 77-79 Deg C! I moved my tower out of the desk and out against the wall for better circulation but unfortunately this didn't make any difference.

60c vrs. 80c... Yeah I guess that could be too much paste? I think if there's too much paste there will be a big difference between the core and sink temperatures. How much I'm not sure but 20c doesn't really sound like a helluvallot to me. <Shrug> Mine are at 49c and 52c vrs. 62c ~ 74c right now so that's about 20c ~ 25c difference and mine are pasted perfectly. :cool:

That's default fans while encoding an animation though. Lemme see what I get with the fans set correctly in scmFanControl... <taps fingers on desk impatiently> Hmm, yeah about the same: 36c & 38c vrs. 46c ~ 58c.

So, I guess I would conclude from this that you may need a greater then 25c spread before you could say the paste isn't on right. Or... common sense doesn't really apply here - which sometimes happens. :p Not really sure which it is tho. :D
 
For comparison... I'm running an '09 Mac Pro right next to an '08 Mac Pro....

Same Tasks.... Just itunes and Safari.....

Temps on the '09 are 59(c)
Temps on the '08 are 31(c) and (32(c)

Whats going on with these chips. I'm running itunes and Safari... That's it... Something has to be wrong here....

I have all the cores pegged using multiple terminal windows with
yes>/dev/null

And the CPU jumps to 69(c) before the boostA fan kicks up to 1000 and takes it to 65(c)-67(c)

So something in itunes... playing music... causes these CPU's to jump near MAX temps... Which is not present on the Windows side of life..

Or even the Mac side when all the cores are maxed....
 
My Mac Pro 2009 8 Core does not get hotter when I am running iTunes and listening to music. My temps are always around 40-50 C in idle and when running iTunes.

Right now: 49 / 40


Snow Leopard 10.6.1 installed with iTunes 9.0.1
 
I have a question on a related topic.

Today I installed a second hard drive and loaded Windows on it (HD Bay 2). I noticed in iStat menus that it is only sensing Bays 2,3 & 4 - but my Mac HD is in Bay 1.

Also, my Mac HD switched from Disk 0 to Disk 1.

Why would iStat only report Bays 2,3 & 4 - I noticed the same was happening to many who posted their iStat menu pics.

Thanks

Also - does anyone know how to sleep a Bootcamp (Windows) drive while in Mac mode?
 
I have a question on a related topic.

Today I installed a second hard drive and loaded Windows on it (HD Bay 2). I noticed in iStat menus that it is only sensing Bays 2,3 & 4 - but my Mac HD is in Bay 1.

Also, my Mac HD switched from Disk 0 to Disk 1.

Why would iStat only report Bays 2,3 & 4 - I noticed the same was happening to many who posted their iStat menu pics.

Thanks

Also - does anyone know how to sleep a Bootcamp (Windows) drive while in Mac mode?


I dunno about the HDDs but I notice a lot of flakiness with other sensors. RAM sensors often don't work at all until the RAM trays are reseated. Occasionally one of the 4 CPU cores (per proc) will register null for a period of 10 min. when first starting up Hardware Monitor. iStat has similar but different troubles.

In your case I would pull the drive and clean all the surfaces very well before replacing the drive.
 
Smcfancontrol works well. Are they running too fast. Too slow. What's up?

my macbook runs a little hot when I use airport so I would like to turn the fans up a little.

my Mac Pro runs on average at about 99F which seems ALOT lower than my macbook. my macbook run on average around 140-150 but up to 200 if the processor is being heavily used
 
Increased noise and power consumption I imagine.

Anyone else have any fixes for the missing HD Bay 1 in iStat menus?

I pulled them out and put them back in but I am still missing that sensor info.
 
Got me... During my (very boring) grad school online lecture tonight (so I had a Java whiteboard applet going inside of Safari, along with a couple web pages open in Firefox, Adium up) I popped up iTunes and set it on play of my MP3 collection....

I let it run for over 10 minutes. The CPU temp and fans speeds stayed right where they were before I loaded up iTunes. No changes. Even with the visualizer on, I didn't see any additional temps....

Dunno what to tell you guys. Working fine and cool here!
 
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