Planned surely not. Every team has games like this.
Its one game.
Look at the Caps, they had something like a 9 game streak of getting destroyed. They came out of it. (where are the Caps in the standings?)
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Planned surely not. Every team has games like this.
Its one game.
Look at the Caps, they had something like a 9 game streak of getting destroyed. They came out of it. (where are the Caps in the standings?)
I will go first on Pacioretty vs Chara
Yes Chara should have let up. HOWEVER, because Chara is a freaking tree, any hard hit can look like a guy is getting his head chopped off. That is not to say that the hit was not questionable. I think Chara may get a couple of games simply because he had time to let up and for someone of his size, he must be able to pull back. Chara also has a rap sheet (sort of)-he has had a couple of majors rescinded and not faced the brass for other plays, so I don't know if we can call him a repeat offender per se, but he has had brushes.
Bottom line-2-3 games.
Anyone else?
Yes Chara should have let up. HOWEVER, because Chara is a freaking tree, any hard hit can look like a guy is getting his head chopped off. That is not to say that the hit was not questionable. I think Chara may get a couple of games simply because he had time to let up and for someone of his size, he must be able to pull back. Chara also has a rap sheet (sort of)-he has had a couple of majors rescinded and not faced the brass for other plays, so I don't know if we can call him a repeat offender per se, but he has had brushes.
Bottom line-2-3 games.
Anyone else?
I can agree with this. From the camera angle to Chara's right it seemed to me that he was just rubbing him into the boards. The part that looks bad is the overhead view from Chara's left where he has that last little shove right before the collision with the glass. Personally, I don't think it looks intentional but I think this is one of those situations where the outcome is going to dictate the penalty regardless of road taken to get there. 4 games is what Paille got for the hit a while back in open ice where he was "targeting" someone so I would say it should be less than that.
In any case, the Habs played well and made the B's look bad last night. Sickens me. B's are light on defensemen all of a sudden with injuries and the potential suspension of Chara.
My 2 cents..
^^^^Every point counts. We didn't even deserve the one point last night, so I'll take it.
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I think he should get at least 3-4 games.
As much as I don't think that Chara intended to injure him (that badly), he did give that last minute shove right before Pacioretty hit the partition. If Chara was simply trying to rub him out, that last minute shove wouldn't have happened- it would have been a more fluid movement.
I think that Chara saw the partition at the last second, and for some stupid reason, he decided to push Pacioretty into it. Perhaps at that split-second moment, he didn't think Pacioretty would get hurt so badly. It was probably more reflex than actual well-thought out intentional decision.
Regardless, it still happened, and he needs to be punished further for it.
I found this (from here: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357203) to be interesting:
This incident really helps to highlight the lack of respect that players have for each other.
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I think he should get at least 3-4 games.
As much as I don't think that Chara intended to injure him (that badly), he did give that last minute shove right before Pacioretty hit the partition. If Chara was simply trying to rub him out, that last minute shove wouldn't have happened- it would have been a more fluid movement.
I think that Chara saw the partition at the last second, and for some stupid reason, he decided to push Pacioretty into it. Perhaps at that split-second moment, he didn't think Pacioretty would get hurt so badly. It was probably more reflex than actual well-thought out intentional decision.
Regardless, it still happened, and he needs to be punished further for it.
I found this (from here: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357203) to be interesting:
This incident really helps to highlight the lack of respect that players have for each other.
I have tried to find ways to stream and I think that the NHL has a lock on it. The only way I know of is their NHLGameCenter.com which is expensive ($170/year) and has limitations. This may not even be available outside of the US.
When I was in Korea last year for the playoffs, I found a Chinese website that was streaming Versus TV... but it was a rare event.
I'm not really sure, but I have been able to stream game highlights from tsn.ca here in the U.S. I wasn't able to do that before (they would block it). At least that's something. Works great on the iPhone and iPad as well.
Update: Pacioretty has a non-displaced fractured C4 and a severe concussion.
So......no suspension.
Um, what?
I dont know the league is about as consistent as the NFL lol. Who knows.
You can watch it here:
www.tsn.ca
On the right side, you'll see the videos. They will also play on iDevices.
Here is my theory
Here is the key part of the league statement
If you read the league's comments, it seems that the league is making distinctions between deliberate hits to the head, freak plays and the standard cheap shot artists. I feel that this is the problem. We cannot categorize hits in this manner-otherwise we get plays like this that blur the lines between reckless and freaky.
I have said it before and I will say it again- the rules for discipline must be clear and distinct. If you get a major running a guy from behind or you throw an elbow to someone's head, you are not only thrown out, you sit 5 games at a minimum, pending review from the league.
Here is the key part of the league statement
If you read the league's comments, it seems that the league is making distinctions between deliberate hits to the head, freak plays and the standard cheap shot artists. I feel that this is the problem. We cannot categorize hits in this manner-otherwise we get plays like this that blur the lines between reckless and freaky.
I have said it before and I will say it again- the rules for discipline must be clear and distinct. If you get a major running a guy from behind or you throw an elbow to someone's head, you are not only thrown out, you sit 5 games at a minimum, pending review from the league.
Pacioretty was interviewed by Bob MacKenzie today:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357316
An excerpt:
"I am upset and disgusted that the league didn't think enough of (the hit) to suspend him," Pacioretty told TSN. "I'm not mad for myself, I'm mad because if other players see a hit like that and think it's okay, they won't be suspended, then other players will get hurt like I got hurt.
"It's been an emotional day. I saw the video for the first time this morning. You see the hit, I've got a fractured vertebrae, I'm in hospital and I thought the league would do something, a little something," said Pacioretty.
"I'm not talking a big number, I don't know, one game, two games, three games...whatever, but something to show that it's not right."
"I heard (Chara) said he didn't mean to do it. I felt he did mean to do it. I would feel better if he said he made a mistake and that he was sorry for doing that, I could forgive that, but I guess he's talking about how I jumped up or something."
"I believe he was trying to guide my head into the turnbuckle. We all know where the turnbuckle is. It wasn't a head shot like a lot of head shots we see but I do feel he targeted my head into the turnbuckle."
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357316
An excerpt:
"I am upset and disgusted that the league didn't think enough of (the hit) to suspend him," Pacioretty told TSN. "I'm not mad for myself, I'm mad because if other players see a hit like that and think it's okay, they won't be suspended, then other players will get hurt like I got hurt.
"It's been an emotional day. I saw the video for the first time this morning. You see the hit, I've got a fractured vertebrae, I'm in hospital and I thought the league would do something, a little something," said Pacioretty.
"I'm not talking a big number, I don't know, one game, two games, three games...whatever, but something to show that it's not right."
"I heard (Chara) said he didn't mean to do it. I felt he did mean to do it. I would feel better if he said he made a mistake and that he was sorry for doing that, I could forgive that, but I guess he's talking about how I jumped up or something."
"I believe he was trying to guide my head into the turnbuckle. We all know where the turnbuckle is. It wasn't a head shot like a lot of head shots we see but I do feel he targeted my head into the turnbuckle."
Chara has always been a dirty player. Just look at his tactics from his days back in Ottawa. I have no idea how nobody covering hockey ever sees this or mentiones anything. Now, of course we can't ever 'prove' Chara tried to slam Max's head into the turnbuckle.
Could go on for a while, but basically it boils down to this in my opinion:
- Pacioretty is a player whom Chara has a past with
- the Canadiens were destroying the Bruins 4-0
- the puck was already chipped way past Chara meaning any contact with Pacioretty is a penalty
- there was fifteen seconds left in the period.
Given Chara's dirty past and the rivalry not only between the teams, but between Max and himself, I'd say it's fairly obvious as to Chara's intentions. Heat of the moment sure, but none the less 100% intentional. I'm completely disgusted there was no suspension. Please get well soon Mr. Pacioretty.
Could go on for a while, but basically it boils down to this in my opinion:
- Pacioretty is a player whom Chara has a past with
- the Canadiens were destroying the Bruins 4-0
- the puck was already chipped way past Chara meaning any contact with Pacioretty is a penalty
- there was fifteen seconds left in the period.
Given Chara's dirty past and the rivalry not only between the teams, but between Max and himself, I'd say it's fairly obvious as to Chara's intentions. Heat of the moment sure, but none the less 100% intentional. I'm completely disgusted there was no suspension. Please get well soon Mr. Pacioretty.
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I think you are on to something. They are basing this on intent and how the hell can they tell what Charas intent was from the replay? We talk about this when a puck gets kicked in for example. The rule says its no goal if its a kicking motion. But they will let a goal stand sometimes because although the foot is coming forward it appears inadvertent. Thats wrong. Kicking motion, no goal. Simple stuff. The NHL loves to complicate things. I have been shocked on more than one occasion this year on their rulings. All I ask for is consistency. They cant even do that.
He is a star of the game. Look at some of the stuff a guy like Ovechkin gets away with. Charging at players and crap. Ill admit Crosby does some shady stuff too sometimes. Then you have a guy like Cooke that gets suspended for everything he does practically. The worst part of the NHL is that we have to have these discussions every 2/3 weeks it seems. We should be talking about who is kicking butt on the score board not this crap.
So......no suspension.
Um, what?
I saw the Chara hit and I thought it was clean. Pacioretty was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hey it's freak'n hockey. If that was Crosby he would got the suspension.
Surely
Are you ready for a little pay-back tonight
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Dont be so sure. Neither of the headshots that have him out of the game now where punished.
Well said. The NHL is completely incapable of policing itself. Campbell and Murphy are a complete joke. Former players have no business being in charge of discipline.
It was not a clean hit. Pacioretty did not have the puck. I've watched it dozens of times. There is more to it than Pacioretty being in the wrong place at the wrong time..... you can't blame the victim on this one. These players know the rink....they know where the doors are, they know where the holes in the glass are, they know where this stanchion is. Hell, when was the last time the victim came out and said that he felt the opposing player meant to injure him? Never, usually they say something like "oh, it's a part of the game. It was a clean hit."
Because the NHL is incapable of dealing with this and other incidents, it looks like Air Canada may pull their sponsorship. There also may be a criminal investigation (requested by a prosecutor in Montreal), and a Royal Commission might be set up by the Federal Sports Minister of the Canadian government to look into this and other violent incidents/injury in sport.
An accident can occur (in life or during a hockey game), and there is still liability. If you're driving down the street drinking coffee, and you spill some on your lap which causes you to swerve and hit another car, which injures the other driver, you still get charged. It doesn't matter that you didn't mean to do it. You put yourself into the position for something that bad to happen, and you have to deal with the consequences. Especially if you have a history of doing it.
Of course there is some inherent risk when you sign up to play hockey, but this incident has crossed the line of what to expect.
The NHL brought this on themselves. If they would have given Chara 2-3 games, this probably would have blown over. Maybe now something can actually be done about the growing lack of respect that players have for each other.
The NHL also needs to look into their rinks' designs. If that stanchion isn't there, this doesn't happen.
We'll see dude........the Leafs are playing well lately......you guys.....not so much.
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I was a little surprised as well. I am biased, I'll admit that, but I don't see how you say "this was 100% intentional." There is no way to know that.
I didn't follow him much before he made it to the Bruins but I just don't see the dirty past part like you do -- at least since arriving here.
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