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2010 Formula One Thread

ValSalva said:
I agree that it was Vettel's fault. It was clearly Vettel's fault. If you look at both Red Bull's in car footage it's clear that Webber gave Vettel plenty of room and he never veered to the left. When seen from every other angle Vettel was only about a quarter car length in front of Webber when he abruptly turned to the right, directly in to Webber.

Overtaking, or the lack of the ability to do, so seems to be Vettel's Achilles heel. Button and Hamilton displayed how true racers can battle without taking each other out. Vettel is a fast driver, a good qualifier, but he's not proven to be much of a racer.
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Still, Hamilton gave Button a team love tap while battling.

So, Todt says F1 needs Kers to be credible:
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/19166.html

I am quite disappointed that the Mercedes car is as slow as it is since it seems to have the most radical design at the rollbar/airbox point.
 
I'm okay with the concept of KERS, but I don't like it implemented as a 'boost' feature. I guess it ads some strategy, but it sucked last year to watch cars on the verge of overtaking and fail. You'd continually have a car catch up only to have the other team boost on the straight and repeat lap after lap. :(

I think it would be better, and allow inovation, if teams were allowed to equip electric motors to benefit output. That way they would be forced to develop the most efficient electric motors since every .oz is critical. If they can get more HP output then that's to their benefit. Plus I think that is something that could translate over to road car technology the most.

I wonder if they'd allow somebody like Audi or VW to come in and run a diesel car. :p
 
Superman07 said:
I wonder if they'd allow somebody like Audi or VW to come in and run a diesel car. :p
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Sure, if they play by the same rules as the petrols: specified engine capacity, number of cylinders and no turbo. The reason they keep winning Le Mans is that they are racing to a different set of rules to the petrol cars which give them a massive advantage.
 
Anyone here planning on going to Montreal next week? I was planning on 2009 until they cancelled it. Maybe next year for me. It's always a great event and in recent years the race has been wild.
 
Superman07 said:
I wonder if they'd allow somebody like Audi or VW to come in and run a diesel car. :p
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Somebody texted in and asked this on the 5 live coverage of one of the practice sessions. They concluded that they wouldn't get the power out of a non turbo charged diesel and if they did it would be much quieter than the petrols. The noise of the current F1 cars is phenomenal. It would be a shame to lose that.
 
robbieduncan said:
The reason they keep winning Le Mans is that they are racing to a different set of rules to the petrol cars which give them a massive advantage.
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They're also been artificially restricted as well though, it's akin to putting weights on horses, which is why I don't watch horse racing, nor do I watch LMS for that reason either.

Rhalliwell1 said:
They concluded that they wouldn't get the power out of a non turbo charged diesel
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They wouldn't need to, all they'd have to do is apply a multiplier rule, akin to what existed in 1988, with 1.5 litre turbos and 3.5 litre normally aspirated engines... but then you've got to ask yourself, why allow another fuel type if the goal if engine parity?

Rhalliwell1 said:
The noise of the current F1 cars is phenomenal. It would be a shame to lose that.
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We'll likely lose that anyway when the engines revert back to small capacity turbos... though hopefully they'll sound more exhilarating than the 80's turbos... they sounded utterly dreadful.
 
iGav said:
They're also been artificially restricted as well though, it's akin to putting weights on horses, which is why I don't watch horse racing, nor do I watch LMS for that reason either....
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LMS/ALMS has it's problems, especially with the LMP1 class and disparity between petrol and diesel. However, the racing and action are great, especially in the GT2 class. ALMS is also very fan-friendly & fan-oriented, the opposite of F1. Given a choice, I would attend an ALMS/LMS race over an F1 race. My wife and I have already decided we'll pass on the USGP if it interferes with us attending the 12 Hours of Sebring or Petit Le Mans.
 
iGav said:
They wouldn't need to, all they'd have to do is apply a multiplier rule, akin to what existed in 1988, with 1.5 litre turbos and 3.5 litre normally aspirated engines... but then you've got to ask yourself, why allow another fuel type if the goal if engine parity?

We'll likely lose that anyway when the engines revert back to small capacity turbos... though hopefully they'll sound more exhilarating than the 80's turbos... they sounded utterly dreadful.
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I think you would have to have a common set of rules for all. I'm not Bernie though!

I wasn't around in the 80's to remember! I personally think the engines are fine just as they are. They need to sort out some aero things. I can't wait for the double decked defuser to be buried but it's a shame the 'F-Duct' will go with it.
 
there is no chance in hell that turbos will se a comeback ... even with multipliers
in terms of engine development so much has happened with turbos over the years that it would a ridiculous nightmare in terms of safety

to only way of keeping the horsepower numbers in check would mean "standard turbos + pressure" and banning very likely gazillion of other technologies which are used day to day in normal cars

or of course a 0.5 liter 3 zylinder engine being the requirement
 
RaceTripper said:
...ALMS is also very fan-friendly & fan-oriented, the opposite of F1. Given a choice, I would attend an ALMS/LMS race over an F1 race. My wife and I have already decided we'll pass on the USGP if it interferes with us attending the 12 Hours of Sebring or Petit Le Mans.
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I take ALMS over F1 attendance any day. Attended the NE grand prix, Mid-ohio, and Mosport venues over the past years and it's great; a ton of pics.
 
So Hamilton is on pole and right behind him on the clean line is Vettel. Next to Hamilton on the dirty line is Webber. What a set up! The run to the first corner is going to be exciting. Will Webber come across hard on Vettel? Will both Red Bulls make it through the first lap? Should be an interesting race.
 
Great result for McLaren. Thoroughly deserved.

Schumi cheating all over the place and proving that cheats don't promise as both Force India's nailed him at the end.
 
robbieduncan said:
Great result for McLaren. Thoroughly deserved.

Schumi cheating all over the place and proving that cheats don't promise as both Force India's nailed him at the end.
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It's good to see the old Schumi again, especially now he hasn't the car gain the advantage nor the team cosy up to the FIA...
 
Good to see Vettel back in fourth. He barely gained on Webber. Amazingly close year with five drivers within a race win of the top spot.
 
RBR need to get their act together and take this championship out of the Brits hands again.
 
robbieduncan said:
Schumi cheating all over the place
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Utter bollocks. ;) Hard but fair. :D

Disappointed that McLaren/Hamilton weren't penalised for the unsafe release in the pitlane though, I thought we'd established a while ago now that this was no longer allowed. :rolleyes:

Whilst the tyres Bridgestone bought were completely wrong... there's certainly a strong argument now that they should bring the wrong compounds to every track... :D thoroughly enjoyed the race. :)
 
robbieduncan said:
It seems the stewards agree, but it makes no difference. He was too slow to score any points.
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It wasn't just the stewards... have any of the drivers really bitched about it?

But yeah, it was disappointing that Kubica squeezed him off the track, when he himself didn't actually have claim to the corner/s... without the subsequent puncture, he'd have been 4th... maybe even nicked a podium.

Not much you can do when you have to do 30 odd laps on the wrong tyres. *shrugs*
 
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