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2010 Formula One Thread
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I think I am ok with that.At least I will be able to go to an event for less dough now. I hope its somewhat like Brands Hatch where spectators can view more than one corner, otherwise I will stick to watching it from a download.
Brands is one of the best circuits to watch a race. I saw Niki Lauda win there way back in 1984. Brands is a good target to shoot for. I'd love to see some elevation changes and good places for overtaking. Just don't make it a clone of all those terrible new far east tracks.
rezenclowd3
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Haha I was going to say something similar. Tilke=boooring. Elevation changes and have the track change width=awesome.
rezenclowd3
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Can anyone help me find Bernies email addy? I REALLY want to email him and advise against Tilke designing the circuit. Seriously....
Seriously....Can anyone help me find Bernies email addy? I REALLY want to email him and advise against Tilke designing the circuit.
I dont know it, but if you find it could you also ask him to not ban the F-Duct. Thats a really cheap and innovative idea. Yet KERS is still allowed in the rules. Madness!
Looking forward to this weekend. Who do you think will come out top in tomorrow's practice sessions?
I'm thinking Hamilton or Rosberg. Watch for Sutil too He's got the F-Duct and there is a long straight for him to get an extra 3mph on!
I think Vettel will make a comeback. He did very well on this track last year. As much as the other teams approach Red Bull one has to think that Adrian Newey has a few tricks up his sleeve to maintain their superiority.
As for who will be the best of the non-Red Bulls? Hamilton or Alonso would be my guess.
I agree with your opinion on KERS. It's all politics. It's expensive and does little to improve the racing.
rezenclowd3
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I do like KERS, as it has the possibility of trickling down to consumer cars more-so than an F-duct in some shape. Still, I do like the F-duct idea.
After working on my Audi A4, and racing electric touring car 10th scale, electric cars are so very nice and clean to work on. That and less mechanically to go wrong, BUT I don't want to touch the wrong two wires on a 1:1 electric car!
With KERS, it will push them (or battery mfgs) to use/develop bigger capacity batteries with a lighter and smaller package. LIPO is great, but lets move past that. Does anyone know what battery tech teams were using? My guess lithium of some sorts...But the charge rate they were getting is incredible. With LIPOS, a 1C charge rate, sometimes 2C is recommended. IE if its a 5000mah battery, it would charge at 5A or 10A with a Constant Current to Constant Voltage change. Charging faster with current LIPO tech would most likely cause it to puff and flame. Remember Kimi jumping out of his car last year with a burned bum? Same as Alonso I think as well correct?
Also, if developing electric motors/speed controls, they will soon learn about dynamic timing like we use in electric rc cars. A single speed car getting speeds like it has 3 gears, all the while having lower motor temps and using less battery!
After working on my Audi A4, and racing electric touring car 10th scale, electric cars are so very nice and clean to work on. That and less mechanically to go wrong, BUT I don't want to touch the wrong two wires on a 1:1 electric car!
With KERS, it will push them (or battery mfgs) to use/develop bigger capacity batteries with a lighter and smaller package. LIPO is great, but lets move past that. Does anyone know what battery tech teams were using? My guess lithium of some sorts...But the charge rate they were getting is incredible. With LIPOS, a 1C charge rate, sometimes 2C is recommended. IE if its a 5000mah battery, it would charge at 5A or 10A with a Constant Current to Constant Voltage change. Charging faster with current LIPO tech would most likely cause it to puff and flame. Remember Kimi jumping out of his car last year with a burned bum?
Same as Alonso I think as well correct?Also, if developing electric motors/speed controls, they will soon learn about dynamic timing like we use in electric rc cars. A single speed car getting speeds like it has 3 gears, all the while having lower motor temps and using less battery!
Worst case scenario...
Guess what? Tilke has been appointed to design the Austin, TX F1 track
Here's one report.
There must be no learning curve at the FIA.
Guess what? Tilke has been appointed to design the Austin, TX F1 track
Here's one report.
There must be no learning curve at the FIA.
Guess what? Tilke has been appointed to design the Austin, TX F1 track
Here's one report.
There must be no learning curve at the FIA.
They just confirmed it on the five live coverage too. Bad times.
Oh it did. We frequently saw races last year where technically slower cars were able to gain places at the start, as well as been able to defend and overtake, making races that otherwise would've simply become a romp-fest, much more interesting.
KERS was one of the most exciting developments in F1 in recent years in IMHO, a shame then that in all possibility when it returns, it'll likely be a standardised system much like the ECU, that'll negate any potential advantages that a team may develop.
I also don't necessarily agree that Tilke=Bad, his redesign of the Hockenheimring has provided infinitely better racing than the old layout ever did for example, I'm more of the opinion that it's not the tracks that are the problem, but the cars... see Imola, a proper old school circuit that was all but impossible to overtake on during its last years. Sort the cars out, and the racing will come.
As for last year, without KERS we might have seen an overtaking move by Fisichella on Kimi's KERS equipped Ferrari and seen a Force India win at Spa last year. I know Force India didn't have KERS but it wasn't mandatory last year. That would have been hugely exciting.
If one big reason for minimal overtaking is that cars are unstable when following closely behind other cars then why not increase mechanical grip? Why have they gone to narrower tires? Why not make them big again like pre 1993? And why not get serious about limiting aero instead of half measures like we have now? Maybe the talk about bringing back some ground effects because air flow under the car is less sensitive to the proximity of other cars will help.
What would've been exciting about watching Fisi romp home unchallenged though?
You're forgetting... without KERS Kimi would never have been been ahead of Fisi in the first place. KERS allowed Kimi to overtake 3 cars before Eau Rouge at the start, it then allowed him to nail Heidfeld on the run down Kemmel and then of course allowed him to take Fisi in the same place after the Safety Car period. In all probability, without KERS, we would have been denied all of that racing.
I agree with you... I've been saying such things for years. It's not the circuits themselves that are inherently dull, it's the cars that are making them appear so...
What would've been exciting about watching Fisi romp home unchallenged though?
You're forgetting... without KERS Kimi would never have been been ahead of Fisi in the first place. KERS allowed Kimi to overtake 3 cars before Eau Rouge at the start, it then allowed him to nail Heidfeld on the run down Kemmel and then of course allowed him to take Fisi in the same place after the Safety Car period. In all probability, without KERS, we would have been denied all of that racing.
I thought of that just after I posted. However as I remember it, Kimi probably would have passed Fisi even without KERS after the safety car restart because Fisi got a bad jump. What I think we missed was a possible battle with Fisi and Kimi back and forth for the lead.
KERS reminds me of something that would be in Indy Car. Gimmicky. But it may be the future and I'm always open to having my mind changed if it improves the racing without harming the integrity of F1.
true that .. perhaps he somehow feared that he might hit the dirt on the left and thus pushed too early back onto the right
I agree. Vettel was the one doing the overtaking. Webber didn't appear to swerve into him. Vettel ran out of room but wasn't smart enough to concede the corner and try later.
And now Hamilton and Button! We could be seeing the end of two friendly teammate relationships today.
I think they'll shake hands, say it was all good fun and still be mates. They didn't crash, gave us all a good show and came 1-2.
Edit to add: they just got out of the cars and the first thing they did was shake hands. All good!
I'm waiting for Coulthard to chin him you know... it's going to happen.
Until a little later just before the podium, looked like a discussion was going to take place before they both realised they were on a mic'd camera.
Hamilton was clearly miffed though, rightly so he gets a radio message telling him to save fuel, and that Button has gotten the same message, presumably interpreting that as no more racing, his lap times then proceed to drop from consistent 1:30's down to a 1:33 and then Button mugs him just like Imola '82 all over again.
Don't think the Vettel/Webber incident is quite as clear cut as 2/3's of the Beeb's presenters were making it out to be, more inclined to put it down to a racing incident myself, Webber unnecessarily squeezed Vettel when it was clear he was going to lose the position a quarter of the way up the straight, as Horner said in the interview afterwards, they should be giving each other more space, and in that respect it was Webber that was edging Vettel towards the grass, but when contact was made, Vettel clearly had the position, and Webber really should've yielded, that seems to be what Vettel thought as well as he started to move to the right.
It's not the first time we've seen driving like that from Webber though.
Red Bull though
f**king hell they're making extraordinarily hard work of this season, it's like they've suffering from the same bout of constipation that affected Button during the second half of last season.
I'm waiting for Coulthard to chin him you know... it's going to happen.
Until a little later just before the podium, looked like a discussion was going to take place before they both realised they were on a mic'd camera.
Hamilton was clearly miffed though, rightly so he gets a radio message telling him to save fuel, and that Button has gotten the same message, presumably interpreting that as no more racing, his lap times then proceed to drop from consistent 1:30's down to a 1:33 and then Button mugs him just like Imola '82 all over again.
Don't think the Vettel/Webber incident is quite as clear cut as 2/3's of the Beeb's presenters were making it out to be, more inclined to put it down to a racing incident myself, Webber unnecessarily squeezed Vettel when it was clear he was going to lose the position a quarter of the way up the straight, as Horner said in the interview afterwards, they should be giving each other more space, and in that respect it was Webber that was edging Vettel towards the grass, but when contact was made, Vettel clearly had the position, and Webber really should've yielded, that seems to be what Vettel thought as well as he started to move to the right.
It's not the first time we've seen driving like that from Webber though.
Red Bull though
I'd say that's a fair assessment. Webber didn't turn into Vettel, Schumacher style though. Webber is a scrapper and is very difficult to pass. Vettel has never made a successful overtaking move on a competitive opponent.
You are right about Red Bull's season. They really could have won every race so far. I think the whole season is going to be very close and will probably come down to who gets hot and lucky in the last four races.
I heard Christian Horner on the Five Live post race and the way he was acting hedgy and trying to put blame on Webber really ticked me off. Webber didn't flinch and was in the lead. He's suppose to give way to allow Vettle room to not only not crash, but then that makes Mark take the turn wide and concede the spot?! You could see how upset Webber was in the interview room. If I were him I'd be right pissed off at Vettle, but if CH keeps making comments like those I'd like be pissed off at the team too. Hopefully this all blows over, but things could turn ugly at Red Bull quick. If they do I hope for Mark's sake that he didn't sign a new contract at Monaco like the rumors suggested.
Obligatory good job to Hamilton and Button. You could tell Hamilton would have much rather won the race than fallen into 1st.
You could see how upset Webber was in the interview room. If I were him I'd be right pissed off at Vettle, but if CH keeps making comments like those I'd like be pissed off at the team too. Hopefully this all blows over, but things could turn ugly at Red Bull quick. If they do I hope for Mark's sake that he didn't sign a new contract at Monaco like the rumors suggested.Obligatory good job to Hamilton and Button. You could tell Hamilton would have much rather won the race than fallen into 1st.
I heard Christian Horner on the Five Live post race and the way he was acting hedgy and trying to put blame on Webber really ticked me off. Webber didn't flinch and was in the lead. He's suppose to give way to allow Vettle room to not only not crash, but then that makes Mark take the turn wide and concede the spot?!
Obligatory good job to Hamilton and Button. You could tell Hamilton would have much rather won the race than fallen into 1st.
i blame vettel. i hate it but i think it was his fault. very little room to make that move...
youtube/may30/vettel/webber
I agree that it was Vettel's fault. It was clearly Vettel's fault. If you look at both Red Bull's in car footage it's clear that Webber gave Vettel plenty of room and he never veered to the left. When seen from every other angle Vettel was only about a quarter car length in front of Webber when he abruptly turned to the right, directly in to Webber.
Overtaking, or the lack of the ability to do, so seems to be Vettel's Achilles heel. Button and Hamilton displayed how true racers can battle without taking each other out. Vettel is a fast driver, a good qualifier, but he's not proven to be much of a racer.
Overtaking, or the lack of the ability to do, so seems to be Vettel's Achilles heel. Button and Hamilton displayed how true racers can battle without taking each other out. Vettel is a fast driver, a good qualifier, but he's not proven to be much of a racer.