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2010 Formula One Thread
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Hungary has always been special - it's very technical as a race track that highlights any failure in both the drivers and in the cars, I think. Also, the timing is very good - championships can be won and lost there. I'd trade Silverstone for Hungaroring any day.
It was Senna-esque... hell, even Webber-esque.
What a bunch of old women you lot are...
Schumacher said:
Schumacher said:
What a bunch of old women you lot are...
I'm sorry, but that is just ageist and sexist!
And that is just pure laughism! How dare you!
LOL
In those two great clips it shows Webber and Senna driving brilliantly but leaving just enough space, in fact Webber leaves lots of room, were as Schumacher today did not.
It shows Webber moving twice actually... I've only just noticed that. Tut tut tut.
Eh? You did notice the bit where Webber forced Massa completely off the track, over the pit exit markings, and half way into the pit lane exit?
How'd you work that one out? Given Barrichello actually passed.
I know it was very naughty of Schumacher... but really, come on, it's nothing new in F1.
About what I was expecting... though thought they'd ban him actually.
Schumacher gets 10-place grid penalty
Schumacher gets 10-place grid penalty
I must admit to only watching the clip with Webber, but it's completely different to what Schuey did today. Webber moved over to the right of the track a long time before Massa arrived. Schuey waited for Barichello to get close, then obviously and purposefully moved across.
I'd argue they're not completely different at all... though of course they're not going to be identical either, thing is, Webber does move... but then he clearly moves again and forces Massa off the track completely, and half way into the pit lane exit. In reality it really wasn't all that different at all, both could've ended in a massive accident... neither did.
Was naughty from Schumacher though, no two ways about it, heart stopping... but it's happened numerous times before.
Shame the stewards didn't think to penalise and set a precedent previously... (well they have now) though that's another discussion entirely.
It shows Webber moving twice actually... I've only just noticed that. Tut tut tut.
Eh? You did notice the bit where Webber forced Massa completely off the track, over the pit exit markings, and half way into the pit lane exit?
How'd you work that one out? Given Barrichello actually passed.
I know it was very naughty of Schumacher... but really, come on, it's nothing new in F1.
Do agree with the double move, but you are very wrong with thinking its all ok as Barrichello passed. Barrichello was lucky that the wall stopped, that no one was exiting the pit lane and that when he put a wheel of the track he did not spin. What Schumacher did was stupid, if really wanted to block he should of made the move earlier.
Nothing new, of course you are correct, we are talking about Schumacher.
Massa was lucky that the wall stopped, that no one was exiting the pit lane... etc etc.
I'm not sure that I think it was ok actually, if anything it was completely unnecessary, but my point is more that similar things have occurred before, and Webber's move was very, very similar indeed. Senna's too.
The rules when Senna was racing were very different to now. Comparing then and now is totally pointless. Just because Webber did something similar recently does not make Schumacher's move fair or right. It just means someone else is as much of a dangerous cheat. His interview afterwards where he tried to blame Rubens was one of the most shameful, spineless things I have ever seen. Should have been banned for a couple of races. This entire season has simply proved what a low-down cheat he was for his "great" career and will thankfully rebalance what is written about him in the history books.
what, are you kidding? This is nothing new. Schu has always been a dirty driver. He got DSQ'd for an entire season because of it.
Obviously they were no different to those in 2008.
I disagree with you that it is pointless comparing then and now it concerns driver ethics, unless you're seriously trying to suggest that just because it was 22 years ago, that attempting to put someone in the wall was somehow acceptable back then?
Though just out of interest, do you consider what Senna did e.g. pushing Prost towards the wall was fair?
So why weren't you (and some of the others that were around at the time, but who are only now complaining I might add) screaming blue murder about Webber's driving at the time? I don't remember you calling him a cheat, or that he should be banned for a couple of races, so what's with all the self-righteous indignation now?
One of the points of raising the Webber incident was because at the time, no one said a word about Webber's driving (other than me, and I said I thought he deserved a penalty), despite it being strikingly similar to what Schumacher did today, yet because now Schumacher did it one can barely move around here for all the toys been thrown out of prams. It's just like last week... *sighs*
Lord I'm glad there's a 4 week break... until the next controversy.
Yes, 1997. There is a DVD called F1 Onboard which has a scene from inside Mika Hakkinen's McLaren in the late 90's at Spa. It is frightening. Schumacher pretty much runs Mika off the track during what was initially a clean overtaking attempt. Mika was only able to pass as they approached a backmarker in one of the most exhilarating in-car moments I've ever seen.
Yup, nothing's changed with Schumacher.
To me, if something bad had happened, it would be a 50/50 fault share.
Michael was moving 1 continuously do the right, and he can move 1 time. Rubens went to the right, when e could have gone to the left.
Cant understand why he was penalized.
Michael was moving 1 continuously do the right, and he can move 1 time. Rubens went to the right, when e could have gone to the left.
Cant understand why he was penalized.
It seemed to me that Schumacher primarily cut to his right. And it seemed like only one move. Yet it was done far too late because Rubens was already committed and much more importantly it wasn't like there was grass or run-off to Ruben's right, there was a pit wall! It was inexcusable.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there. It was only one move, and those are the rules.
If you closely you can see that michael was allready moving to the right, when rubens was still in the tow, so there was no reason for him to stop to move to the right. What, he should have let him past, and do what rubens wanted!? this is racing!
I really cant see, what schumi did wrong. It was dangerous? yes. But its racing. Racing its dangerous, it says so on the ticket.
You are right racing is dangerous. No need to make it drastically worse though. What Schumacher did was to hugely increase the danger.
While Schumacher was making his one slow sweeping move to the right he left a clear space for Rubens. But he continued to move to the right even while Rubens was along side of him. If there was grass to the right it would have been considered just another of Michael's questionable alpha driver moves but in fact there was a pit wall to the right. It could have been a gigantic accident. That's what Michael did wrong. As far as penalties, Schumacher got off easy.
Had Rubens been forced to touch wheels it could have ended like this horrific accident from Brands (this past weekend).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N990uOS1dz8&feature=player_embedded
Amazingly the driver is not to seriously injured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N990uOS1dz8&feature=player_embedded
Amazingly the driver is not to seriously injured.
So there we go. Schumacher apologises and says "I have to say that the stewards were correct with their judgement."