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On the flip side SEC has much weaker offences.

The SEC doesn't have as many video game offenses as the Big 12, but they're not weak at all. Before last night, Alabama was 11th in the nation in scoring O and LSU was 12th. Even after last night, both teams still average over 35 ppg. Arkansas averages over 37 ppg and is 15th nationally in scoring.
 
Keeping fingers crossed they get to play them again for the SEC title.. Just a little upset, some mental errors but I am hoping we spring back and blow the hell out of who ever we play next. Keeping fingers crossed!!!

I would like to see Alabama face off against LSU again for the championship title.
 
The SEC doesn't have as many video game offenses as the Big 12, but they're not weak at all. Before last night, Alabama was 11th in the nation in scoring O and LSU was 12th. Even after last night, both teams still average over 35 ppg. Arkansas averages over 37 ppg and is 15th nationally in scoring.

and your point is?
In the Big 12 for example you have 3 schools (OSU, OU, and Baylor) that all are ranked hire than SEC number 1. If you want to extend that to SEC number 2 then you can add A&M and TTU to the list.

That is 1/2 of the big 12 before you get to even two of the schools in the SEC. The SEC offence compared to the other big conferences is not up there. PAC12 have more schools up there.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/stats/teamsort/NCAAF/SCORING?_1:col_1=5

if you want to go with yards per game you have 7 big 12 schools before you get to the first SEC school.
 
and your point is?

Do I really have to spell it out for you?

(Oh yeah, of course I do)

It's easy to run up big numbers against suck defenses, and the Big 12 is full of them. Alabama and LSU run up big numbers against suck defenses, too, but there isn't an offense in America that would put up great numbers on either of these defenses, just as there are few offenses in America that won't put up good numbers against the likes of crappy defenses in the Big 12 like A&M, OSU, Baylor, TTech, etc. all have.

Big 12 offenses play against Big 12 defenses
SEC offenses play against SEC defenses

Just a thought

Bingo. Matt Hayes said it best on Twitter last night...

There's nothing wrong with LSU/Bama's offenses. Those were college offenses playing NFL defenses.
 
Do I really have to spell it out for you?

(Oh yeah, of course I do)

It's easy to run up big numbers against suck defenses, and the Big 12 is full of them. Alabama and LSU run up big numbers against suck defenses, too, but there isn't an offense in America that would put up great numbers on either of these defenses, just as there are few offenses in America that won't put up good numbers against the likes of crappy defenses in the Big 12 like A&M, OSU, Baylor, TTech, etc. all have.


Does not change the fact that even against crappy defenses they do not rack up the points the Big 12 put up.

Big 12 has better offenses. SEC has better defenses. The big 12 schools really need to step up there defense but does not change the fact that they tend to have better offenses.
 
Does not change the fact that even against crappy defenses they do not rack up the points the Big 12 put up.

Big 12 has better offenses. SEC has better defenses. The big 12 schools really need to step up there defense but does not change the fact that they tend to have better offenses.

“Great” Big 12 offenses routinely get shut down by good defenses in bowl games. What does that tell you?
 
Does not change the fact that even against crappy defenses they do not rack up the points the Big 12 put up.

Big 12 has better offenses. SEC has better defenses. The big 12 schools really need to step up there defense but does not change the fact that they tend to have better offenses.

better offenses? offenses that haven't scored more than 21 vs a SEC defense in the BCS Championship game, and haven't won one agasint the SEC?

running up the score does not make an offense great, scoring on a great defense does.
 
better offenses? offenses that haven't scored more than 21 vs a SEC defense in the BCS Championship game, and haven't won one agasint the SEC?

running up the score does not make an offense great, scoring on a great defense does.

Sorry but Chocklahoma does not count. They are the kings of being over rated and losing in NC.
 
Sorry but Chocklahoma does not count. They are the kings of being over rated and losing in NC.

Really? So, what does that say about the rest of the Big 12 given the fact that they have often dominated the B12 South, and the conference as a whole? OU has won the B12 South 8 times, and the whole conference 7 times. If they are so "overrated", why hasn't ANY other B12 team (other than Texas a couple of times) managed to stop their run of division/conference titles? What does that make all the other B12 teams? Why has OU been able to score loads of points vs. B12 opponents, then get shutdown by SEC opponents? If it was because of a great offense instead of weak defense, they would have been able to score vs. those SEC teams.

Look, I know you have this crazy hatred for the SEC, but you can not deny the SEC simply has played better defense. The best of the SEC has taken on the best of the Big 12, Big 10, and now Pac 10, and shut them all down for five straight years. Even Auburn last year, which was acknowledged to have a weak defense, held Oregon far below their season averages.
 
More bad news from the A&M-OU game. Not only did Ryan Broyles (arguably the best or, at worst, second best WR in the nation) tear his ACL, but so did Christine Michael (arguably the best RB in the Big 12). Second year in a row for him to have a season-ending leg injury.
 
More bad news from the A&M-OU game. Not only did Ryan Broyles (arguably the best or, at worst, second best WR in the nation) tear his ACL, but so did Christine Michael (arguably the best RB in the Big 12). Second year in a row for him to have a season-ending leg injury.

Wow, that's really sad. What a bad way to end the year (and Broyles' career) for both of them.
 
I don't know if there are any Penn State alums/fans on this board, but if there are I'd love to know hoe you feel about your piece of **** president/athletic department/coach right about now. The fact that these scoundrels haven't been shown the door in the harshest possible manner is a black mark on your university that will never, ever go away.
 
JoPa done at the end of the season, announcing his retirement
What a sad, sad end to a long and rich career

As disappointing as Bobby Bowden's departure was from FSU
I'll take that any day over JoPa's deparature from PSU
 
Obviously I feel for the victims that suffered abuse in the Penn State case, but I also feel for the current players on the team. This weekend is Senior Day and they are playing one of biggest games of their season. It's sad that they are collateral damage in this tragic event.
 
Obviously I feel for the victims that suffered abuse in the Penn State case, but I also feel for the current players on the team. This weekend is Senior Day and they are playing one of biggest games of their season. It's sad that they are collateral damage in this tragic event.

Yep, agreed, the victims here are certainly not JoPa, PSU and the administration

:(
 
JoPa done at the end of the season, announcing his retirement
What a sad, sad end to a long and rich career

As disappointing as Bobby Bowden's departure was from FSU
I'll take that any day over JoPa's deparature from PSU

Honestly, I don't think he should be allowed back on that field. This was a man who for almost 50 years has promised parents he would look after their sons. Yeah, legally he did what he was supposed to do...but to know what was happening and be a party to it continuing...reprehensible.

And, yes it would overshadow Senior Day, but it's finally time for the University to start doing the right thing.
 
Honestly, I don't think he should be allowed back on that field. This was a man who for almost 50 years has promised parents he would look after their sons. Yeah, legally he did what he was supposed to do...but to know what was happening and be a party to it continuing...reprehensible.

And, yes it would overshadow Senior Day, but it's finally time for the University to start doing the right thing.

He may be there Saturday, but I doubt he makes it to the end of the season
 
I'm still curious to hear what old Joe has been trying to say to the media during all of this. It's obvious he's been muzzled by university counsel, but is whatever he has to say of any consequence, or just deflection? I hope we find out soon.
 
This shows just how corrupt College Football is. When they will put the game above a child's safety just to protect the football program. I think crap like this goes far behind Penn State. It shows how money has been allowed to run everything.

To say that Joe knew nothing about what was going on for the past 15 years considering that he is maybe the most powerful person at that school is laughable. He knew it but he chose to ignore it and hope it would go away so it would not mare the program. Well guess what Joe, the program is marred beyond repair because you did nothing.
 
Due to the legal ramifications of anything he could say I wouldn't be surprised if Paterno is allowed to stay on and retire at the end of the season. They were talking about it on the radio this morning. He's at the end of his journey professionally, he's set for life financially, there is no risk of jail time, and he's in the latter stages of life at his age. The last thing PSU wants is a contrite or regretful Paterno to get in front of a mic and say anything implying that he or the university failed in any way or "should have done more". If they fire him they lose what little control they have over his access to the media. Anything that looks like an admission of guilt or failure to act accordingly could dramatically increase the payouts that Penn State is going to face in the future. Sadly, at this point, it's all about image management and lawsuits instead of what it should have been about all along, the safety and protection of children.
 
I was waiting for someone to post about PSU - I tried a couple of days ago but couldn't come up with the right words to describe how disgusted I was. It's truly a bummer for the team and students at the university to have to go through this, but to everyone else that put the program ahead of the welfare of those kids - I don't even know what to say.

As far as I'm concerned, JoPa might have met his legal obligation in reporting the incident, but he damn sure didn't meet his moral one.
 
Y'all need to settle down just a little bit. It's easy to sit behind a computer and type out all these claims of morality and obligations but no one truly knows Joe's part in all of this. No one truly knows what he felt or what he did.

It's easy to point fingers but let's all reflect on some of the **** we all have done in our lives and the mistakes we have made and take a chill pill before we try to trash a guy's life and legacy.
 
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