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2011-2012 College Football Thread
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State College was a mess last night. News vans and light poles were tipped and students were throwing rocks at police. It broke up pretty quickly though.
Sadly the students were doing it for the wrong reason, if anything they should have marched in support of the victims not riot because a coach got fired.
That being said the real criminal is Jerry Sandusky, but everyone else who knew about it should have been fired (including McQueary who for some unfathomable reason still has his job.)
Since the media only shows Joe Paterno's face, here is Jerry Sandusky:
Sadly the students were doing it for the wrong reason, if anything they should have marched in support of the victims not riot because a coach got fired.
That being said the real criminal is Jerry Sandusky, but everyone else who knew about it should have been fired (including McQueary who for some unfathomable reason still has his job.)
Since the media only shows Joe Paterno's face, here is Jerry Sandusky:
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Paterno called in the university's vice president and the athletic director and met with them face to face to relay what he was told.
Again, he had no first hand knowledge of what happened, so in one corner he had a graduate student telling him he saw something, and the guy who heads up the police department saying there was nothing going on. That's what he got caught in the middle of.
Now if Paterno himself witnessed any of it, he would be in a good position to refute the police's findings and do something about it himself - but again, he wasn't in that position. Most people, not even a well-tenured football coach, make it their business to go against their employers AND the police by taking matters into their own hands.
Sandusky wasn't a coach, or even one of Paterno's employees, at the time. He was a professor emeritus. And again, the police said it wasn't happening.
Investigated and cleared. That failure is (once again) on the police, not on Paterno. You can argue all you want for how powerful Paterno is or is not, but he doesn't have the clout to tell the police whom to arrest and for what.
Feel bad for Paterno. People want blood (even if it's the wrong blood) and he is a big name (just look at some of the posters in this thread). Hopefully he still gets his pension or whatever would of been offered at retirement and I feel bad for him that his name will be associated with this in the books.
No one was above Paterno at Penn State. NO ONE. What he said, went. Always.
Because he was forced to retire from coaching after being caught raping a child.
Actually, some in the local media are arguing just the opposite. Paterno led a coverup, which let countless boys get raped by Sandusky himself and (if rumors be true) let an entire child prostitution ring operate for another decade-plus.
All because Paterno refused to do the right thing. Just sickening.
Paterno is not a victim here
Innocent boys are
Paterno is not guilty of molesting boys
He is guilty of enabling a molester to molest boys
Paterno doesn't get a pass for reporting what he was told
He should have distanced himself from the individual and refused to allow him access to the facilities regardless of what the police did or did not do
Paterno isn't innocent by being ignorant
He shouldn't have looked the other way, he should have ferreted out the truth himself
A. Guy is accused of raping little boys on your campus in your facility on your watch
B. Guy is never allowed to be with a little boy on your campus in your facility ever again... period... guilty or not
But, but... JoPa didn't see it...
Ok, no argument there, but he can damn sure make sure it never happens by never allowing an opportunity for it to happen
Regardless of what the police do...
Call the guy in
Ask him for the truth whether you get it or not
Tell him you are protecting the boys, him, yourself, the program by avoiding any appearance of impropriety
Be the leader everybody thought you were
I would rather be remembered for barring an innocent man from my facility than for enabling a child molester
Feel free to disagree
Innocent boys are
Paterno is not guilty of molesting boys
He is guilty of enabling a molester to molest boys
Paterno doesn't get a pass for reporting what he was told
He should have distanced himself from the individual and refused to allow him access to the facilities regardless of what the police did or did not do
Paterno isn't innocent by being ignorant
He shouldn't have looked the other way, he should have ferreted out the truth himself
A. Guy is accused of raping little boys on your campus in your facility on your watch
B. Guy is never allowed to be with a little boy on your campus in your facility ever again... period... guilty or not
But, but... JoPa didn't see it...
Ok, no argument there, but he can damn sure make sure it never happens by never allowing an opportunity for it to happen
Regardless of what the police do...
Call the guy in
Ask him for the truth whether you get it or not
Tell him you are protecting the boys, him, yourself, the program by avoiding any appearance of impropriety
Be the leader everybody thought you were
I would rather be remembered for barring an innocent man from my facility than for enabling a child molester
Feel free to disagree
The fact that he was forced to retire in 1999 means they knew something was going on. He never should of had access to the campus after that. Joe knew then there was a problem but swept it under the rug as to not make the program look bad. Once the second incident happened on campus that should have been the last straw. Again Paterno swept it under the rug. Just because the DA doesn't want to bring Joe into this doesn't mean he has clean hands.
He's not the one who swept it under the rug - it was everybody else.
Don't believe me? From the grand jury report (which too many people seem to be unwilling to read):
Here, in a single passage of the (largely un-read by members of this thread) grand jury report, the following entities CONFIRMED that they KNEW what Sandusky had done:
University Police
Centre County District Attorney
State College Police Department
Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare
the child's Mother
Sandusky ADMITTED to these people what he had done, and NONE of them did ANYTHING beyond make him promise not to do it again. Yet you people vilify Paterno??
You lose a TON of credibility with me when you defy logic this hard.
Paterno is the most powerful person at Penn State, he damn well knew. He knows everything about everyone there.
How can the janitors know more than Paterno?
He reported it. The police investigated and did not press charges. Paterno didn't see it happen. He reported hearsay.
Ok so if your friend is accused of something and the police investigate and say nothing happened are you going to tell him, "well just in case I want you to leave me alone forever".
Come on guys.
There was more than one reported case. If the police dropped the ball investigate them too.
I've said they are ALL guilty, not just Paterno
There is enough guilt for everyone
And I don't want to vilify him, I just want to hold him accountable
Along with everyone else involved
Yes, just because the police say nothing happened, you STILL distance yourself for the good of everyone involved
You make sure there is never an opportunity for this happening on your watch
Nobody gets a pass on this
While Paterno may not be guilty of a crime
He is guilty of poor judgement and lack of leadership
If MY friend was accused of this, I would damn well be sure to keep an eye on things for the kids protection, his protection and the program
I would not want there to ever be another opportunity for an accusation
Paterno is the face of this... the price of leadership or lack thereof
But the others are just as culpable
And they all need to be accountable
Alright well we will just agree to disagree.
So who's ready to see Virginia Tech lose tonight?
My two favorite teams are Oklahoma and whoever can beat closely ranked teams to them.
My two favorite teams are Seton Hall and whoever is playing St. John's. Wait....we don't have football teams.
*Slowly backs out of thread*
My two favorite teams are Seton Hall and whoever is playing St. John's. Wait....we don't have football teams.
*Slowly backs out of thread*
Hey get back in here. You can be a Sooner fan. If you want to be the best, that is. Up to you.
OJ was found not guilty.
And I've never said Paterno is the only guilty party. I've said repeatedly that everyone involved should be dragged through the streets. You're willing to give Paterno a pass because McCreary "only" told him that he saw Sandusky fondle the boy in the shower. That's enough for me to know that Paterno (and everyone else involved) should be brutalized for looking the other way.
Hey get back in here. You can be a Sooner fan. If you want to be the best, that is. Up to you.
BOOMER!! Like that?
Question, though...Is there a way to incorporate blue into their uniforms? I prefer my teams to have Blue in them. I've been negotiating with the Jets for years to get rid of those God awful green uniforms.
Only if somehow it rubs off of other jerseys as we are knocking people down and taking names.
Dawgs - Auburn will likely decide the East this week
Dawgs control their destiny and a win at home against the Tiggers likely locks it up
Only Kentucky would stand in the way
SCarolina still gets the Gators and that should be a toss up
A Carolina win and a Dawg loss puts the Cocks back in the SEC Championship Game
Dawgs control their destiny and a win at home against the Tiggers likely locks it up
Only Kentucky would stand in the way
SCarolina still gets the Gators and that should be a toss up
A Carolina win and a Dawg loss puts the Cocks back in the SEC Championship Game
Only if somehow it rubs off of other jerseys as we are knocking people down and taking names.
Well played, my friend.
Paterno isn't a Deity. He, like the rest of us, knows only two groups of things: (1) what he sees/hears himself, and (2) what someone tells him. And he didn't witness a damn thing - that leaves only - ONLY - what McQueary told him. And he passed that along, which was his duty.
You still haven't read the report, have you?
Here's a spoiler: the janitor walked in on it. Paterno wasn't in the friggin' building when it happened. And nobody (janitor included) told him about it.
I know you're not as stupid as that statement makes you sound, Ignatius - he did not look the other way.
I'm willing to give Paterno a pass because he did what any rational and responsible person would have done. So many of you are speaking with the benefit of (1) hindsight and (2) being an outsider. Nobody knows for sure what they'll do in a hypothetical situation. The reality is that any one of us would have reported what we were told, or make sure the authorities already knew about it. And if the authorities found no wrongdoing (their fault, not Joe's), almost all of us would drop it. Anyone who says otherwise simply refuses to admit the truth, in my opinion.
There are reports that in 2002 the janitor that walked into the shower told all the other janitors right after it happened. You mean to tell me that Paterno who has his hands in everything didn't hear this news? I don't believe for a second that he is that shielded from his own program.
Any janitor who walks in on a guy molesting a boy needs to beat the **** out of the guy on the spot, not run to tell his buddy janitors
Jus' sayin