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Also, let's not forget that college football is the only sport, on any level, that determines its "champion" by vote rather than postseason tournament.

That's a valid point, except...wait, it's not valid at all because it isn't true.

CFB determines its champion with a one-game playoff. It's participants are determined in part (but not totally) by vote. Don't confuse the two.

Can you imagine how much less a pop culture icon the Super Bowl would be if its contestants were voted into the game?

The Stupid Bowl, and the NFL in general, is a big freaking joke. Individual games during the regular season are often rendered nearly meaningless. When was the last time a college team benched their starters for an entire game because their postseason position was already secure? When was the last time a .500 team made the playoffs in D-IA?

Say you expand the playoff field to eight teams - you could end up with a pair of two-loss teams playing for the championship. Do you really believe Oregon has had a better year than LSU? I don't, either - and I wouldn't support a system where such a team could conceivably win the title.

For me, a championship season is just that - a season. Not a postseason run.

Anyone who thinks the BCS is the best system should read the first couple of chapters (at least) of Death to the BCS. If you still feel that way, I'd love to hear your argument.

Never read it and don't plan to - but I've given my argument.
 
I think OSU is a very good team, but their defense is utterly atrocious. Nothing about Alabama falls into that category, therefore I believe the Tide would win by 14 or so, especially if there was a month to prepare beforehand, as defenses almost always look better in BCS "Championship" games than do offenses.



Bingo. As much as I think that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country right now, I'd love nothing more than to see them prove it on the field.



One round does not make a playoff, but I do agree that the point of the BCS isn't to preclude a rematch. The goal of any postseason system should be to take the best teams and let them decide a champion on the field. If it's truly intended to be the top 2 (or 4, 8, 16, 32 or 64+) teams, then no amount of politicking or voter discretion should really ever be involved, but the BCS always includes coaches and media types posturing for their teams, even more so than in college hoops, where the fight to be the last one in is fierce. Why? Because it's a lot harder to pick one team out of 119 than it is to pick 37 out of 300+.

Also, let's not forget that college football is the only sport, on any level, that determines its "champion" by vote rather than postseason tournament. Can you imagine how much less a pop culture icon the Super Bowl would be if its contestants were voted into the game? College football is a million times better than the NFL, yet we allow its "champion" to be determined by regional sportswriters, sports information directors (or coaches' personal assistants), computer geeks and greedy charlatans like Jim Junker.

Anyone who thinks the BCS is the best system should read the first couple of chapters (at least) of Death to the BCS. If you still feel that way, I'd love to hear your argument.

2009 Sugar Bowl, who knows what could happen, OSU could very well beat Alabama.

The BCS Sucks, if you think otherwise you're just deluded or insane :p, the 8 team playoff with less % of the bcs score given the the polls *should* be better.

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That's a valid point, except...wait, it's not valid at all because it isn't true.

CFB determines its champion with a one-game playoff. It's participants are determined in part (but not totally) by vote. Don't confuse the two.

The Stupid Bowl, and the NFL in general, is a big freaking joke. Individual games during the regular season are often rendered nearly meaningless. When was the last time a college team benched their starters for an entire game because their postseason position was already secure? When was the last time a .500 team made the playoffs in D-IA?

Say you expand the playoff field to eight teams - you could end up with a pair of two-loss teams playing for the championship. Do you really believe Oregon has had a better year than LSU? I don't, either - and I wouldn't support a system where such a team could conceivably win the title.

For me, a championship season is just that - a season. Not a postseason run.

Never read it and don't plan to - but I've given my argument.

Why is a pair of two-loss teams playing for the championship so bad? if they've beaten supposedly better teams to get to the final so be it, they just exposed the other teams.
 
That's a valid point, except...wait, it's not valid at all because it isn't true.

CFB determines its champion with a one-game playoff. It's participants are determined in part (but not totally) by vote. Don't confuse the two.

One game does not make a playoff. A playoff is "a series of contests played after the end of the regular season to determine a championship".

Besides that, college football does not determine a true champion through play on the field, but through voting. The winner of the BCS "Championship" Game gets the first place votes in the USA Today Coaches' Poll (though whether the coaches are bound to vote for the winner of that game is up for debate).

The AP also crowns a "national champion" which has nothing to do with what happens on the field and everything to do with the opinions of sportswriters.

The Stupid Bowl, and the NFL in general, is a big freaking joke. Individual games during the regular season are often rendered nearly meaningless. When was the last time a college team benched their starters for an entire game because their postseason position was already secure? When was the last time a .500 team made the playoffs in D-IA?

LSU will be in the BCS "Championship" Game regardless of what happens this weekend. They could bench their whole team, or not even show up to Atlanta, and still finish #1 in the BCS rankings.

The clowns that run the BCS want us to believe that "every game counts" in I-A football when, in fact, almost none of them do. This year, in fact, only one game "counts": the so-called "Game of the Century" earlier this month. When we have a rematch in two months, Alabama could actually win and still not be named "national champion" because they would have lost at home to a team they could only beat at a neutral site.

Say you expand the playoff field to eight teams - you could end up with a pair of two-loss teams playing for the championship. Do you really believe Oregon has had a better year than LSU? I don't, either - and I wouldn't support a system where such a team could conceivably win the title.

Oh no! Two loss teams playing for the "championship"?!? UNTHINKABLE!!!

What's more, you argue as if every team plays the same schedule against the same competition. One of the best reasons to have a playoff is precisely because of that fact. Does Oregon deserve the championship over LSU? No, LSU already beat them. So that counts out Alabama, too, right? Oklahoma St lost to an unranked IOWA STATE team. They surely don't belong on the same field as the mighty, unbeaten Tigers. Boise lost at home to TCU. Houston didn't play anyone. OU lost twice. Georgia lost to that same Boise team (in a defacto home game) that we've already established doesn't belong on the same field with LSU, so we might as well cancel the SEC Championship Game (which, we've already established, is meaningless this year anyway). Who else? Stanford, who got blown out by the Oregon team that already got hammered by LSU?

Might as well just cancel the rest of the season, huh?
 
I've got a question...so it's gonna be Oregon vs. UCLA in the Pac-12 championship game...the winner of which traditionally has an automatic berth in the Rose Bowl.

BUT since UCLA currently has sanctions preventing it from participating in the BCS...hypothetically if UCLA won (however unlikely that is)...who would go to the Rose Bowl?

tl;dr: The BCS is a clusterf*ck
 
I've got a question...so it's gonna be Oregon vs. UCLA in the Pac-12 championship game...the winner of which traditionally has an automatic berth in the Rose Bowl.

BUT since UCLA currently has sanctions preventing it from participating in the BCS...hypothetically if UCLA won (however unlikely that is)...who would go to the Rose Bowl?

tl;dr: The BCS is a clusterf*ck

I think you're mixed up with USC which does have sanctions, haven't read anything regarding UCLA having sanctions as well. if USC didn't have those sanctions they would be the ones playing Oregon
 
Before we devolve into a full blown BCS bashing "we need a playoff" discussion, we actually have some great games coming up to discuss

Top 25 matchups all...

15 Wisconsin v 13 Michigan State
First Championship Game for the B1G and no Michigan or Ohio State

5 Virginia Tech v 20 Clemson
How the mighty have fallen, Clemson took a long tumble and Va Tech keeps rolling

10 Oklahoma v 3 Oklahoma State
Bedlam at its best when 1 team can spoil the other

14 Georgia v 1 LSU
Dawgs scrap early, lose the special teams battle and likely get blown out

22 Texas v 17 Baylor
How long till Texas is relevant again?

And lets not forget

24 Southern Miss v 6 Houston
A game only their Moms will watch
 
I think you're mixed up with USC which does have sanctions, haven't read anything regarding UCLA having sanctions as well. if USC didn't have those sanctions they would be the ones playing Oregon
Ahhh ok that makes more sense, I got mixed up. Thanks :)

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15 Wisconsin v 13 Michigan State
First Championship Game for the B1G and no Michigan or Ohio State
SO excited for this one. Their first meeting was probably the most ridiculous ending to any game this season and the Badgers are going to be out for blood
 
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The clowns that run the BCS want us to believe that "every game counts" in I-A football when, in fact, almost none of them do. This year, in fact, only one game "counts": the so-called "Game of the Century" earlier this month.

So you believe LSU would be in the championship game if they beat Alabama but lost to Arkansas, West Virginia, Ole Miss, and Auburn? They're going to be in the NC game because they're undefeated. Every game counts.

Oh no! Two loss teams playing for the "championship"?!? UNTHINKABLE!!!

How many undefeated teams were snubbed for that championship game appearance? LSU was ranked in the top two; they get to play for the championship.

What's more, you argue as if every team plays the same schedule against the same competition. One of the best reasons to have a playoff is precisely because of that fact.

The selection process (i.e. the polls) already takes that into consideration.

Does Oregon deserve the championship over LSU? No, LSU already beat them. So that counts out Alabama, too, right?

Not necessarily. Rematches often happen in the playoffs, but in the end, a playoff win trumps a regular season win every time.

Oklahoma St lost to an unranked IOWA STATE team. They surely don't belong on the same field as the mighty, unbeaten Tigers. Boise lost at home to TCU. Houston didn't play anyone. OU lost twice. Georgia lost to that same Boise team (in a defacto home game) that we've already established doesn't belong on the same field with LSU, so we might as well cancel the SEC Championship Game (which, we've already established, is meaningless this year anyway). Who else? Stanford, who got blown out by the Oregon team that already got hammered by LSU?

Might as well just cancel the rest of the season, huh?

No, but as I pointed out earlier, we use all of those facts to vote in the polls and evaluate the teams in the computers to determine the top two. All of those games (and losses) count in the polls AND in the computers, so they matter in the selection process.
 
Speaking of UCLA...Rick Neuheisel leads UCLA to the PAC-12 South title and a spot in the PAC-12 championship game....and gets fired. Yeah, I know they went 6-6 (what does THAT say about the PAC-12 South?) and he had an overall losing record, but wow.

One interesting thing I noticed. That article states that Neuheisel has a $250k buyout in his contract. Houston Nutt, who had a 15 game in-conference losing streak to finish his career, had a $6 million buyout in his contract.
 
Ahh. That magical time of year is upon us. You guessed right, Coach Petersen season is open! The time of year when every broken program in the country tries to lure Coach Pete from Boise with millions of dollars and empty promises.

Meanwhile all of Bronco Nation holds its collective breath until the dust clears and we still see Coach Pete walking the sidelines on The Blue.
 
Ahh. That magical time of year is upon us. You guessed right, Coach Petersen season is open! The time of year when every broken program in the country tries to lure Coach Pete from Boise with millions of dollars and empty promises.

Meanwhile all of Bronco Nation holds its collective breath until the dust clears and we still see Coach Pete walking the sidelines on The Blue.

I know the feeling. For some reason, Dan Mullen's name keeps coming up for vacancies, especially after winning 9 games last year. Last year, Florida was the big rumor. This year, it's Penn State. Personally, I think they go after a bigger name with more experience, but I could be wrong. I just feel sorry for whoever ends up walking into that mess.
 
No, but as I pointed out earlier, we use all of those facts to vote in the polls and evaluate the teams in the computers to determine the top two. All of those games (and losses) count in the polls AND in the computers, so they matter in the selection process.

Do you vote in the polls? the main issue with the BCS is relying on those polls as much as they do, they're nothing more than a popularity contest, if viewing things objectively Oklahoma State would be No. 2 instead of Alabama.

I think a 4 team playoff would be a good compromise, you have Teams #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 play on two bcs bowls and then the winners play in the championship game.

The other thing is that every year there's different **** hitting the fan with the BCS
 
the main issue with the BCS is relying on those polls as much as they do, they're nothing more than a popularity contest, if viewing things objectively Oklahoma State would be No. 2 instead of Alabama.

That's the MAIN issue?

I know how we can address that - we'll add a non-partisan element to the selection process. An objective point of view. I know! We can use computers!

Problem solved! ;)
 
That's the MAIN issue?

I know how we can address that - we'll add a non-partisan element to the selection process. An objective point of view. I know! We can use computers!

Problem solved created! ;)

Fixed that for ya.

You realize these computers are programmed by people, right? And most of these people will not reveal the equations used to determine their numbers.

Personally I distrust the computers more than the people in the polls.
 
You realize these computers are programmed by people, right? And most of these people will not reveal the equations used to determine their numbers.

Personally I distrust the computers more than the people in the polls.

So you really think there's something in the formula that adds weight to particular teams simply because it's that particular team?

Here...take this, you seem to need it. ;)

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The only system I would favor if the BCS went kaput would be a return to the old bowl tie-ins.

Yeah, I didn't think anybody else would be on board with that. ;)

Since we have a one-round, two-team playoff, the teams should be seeded #1 and #2 and given the chance to play for the title. If that means a rematch then so be it.

To all you BCS naysayers who go on and on and on crowing about how this-or-that sport or league has a "real" playoff and that CFB should be more like that - I'll remind you all that there are NO provisions in place in any of those "other" leagues or sports that discourage rematches in the playoffs OR the finals.

Just because the BCS is only one round doesn't mean it isn't a playoff; pick the best two teams and let them play for it, without regard to conferences or rematches.

sorry, one game does not equal a playoff. a rematch would be ok if alabama were to beat okie st. or some other top team from another conference to get in. otherwise it doesn't make sense. what if the NFL just took the packers and 49'ers this year for the Super Bowl. don't you think that the AFC might have a complaint?

So you really think there's something in the formula that adds weight to particular teams simply because it's that particular team?

Here...take this, you seem to need it. ;)

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you're missing the point. depending on what criteria the formula uses, it WILL be biased towards certain teams. it may be a blind bias, but bias nonetheless.
 
So what do some of you propose? Could you imagine an undefeated University of Houston (although they are my second team next to OU) playing an undefeated LSU? I see 70-28 with more injuries than occurred on Black Friday.
 
I'm with you Renewed...I'd love to see how that high flying C-USA offense would stand up against what is basically an NFL caliber defense.

I'm not sure LSU would score 70...but it would probably be more like 63-28. :D
 
sorry, one game does not equal a playoff.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it "not a playoff." A bracket is pre-determined, teams are selected and seeded, and they play through the bracket. Yes, it's short, and there are only two teams, but it's a playoff.

you're missing the point. depending on what criteria the formula uses, it WILL be biased towards certain teams. it may be a blind bias, but bias nonetheless.

You're missing the point. The programs will only know which teams out-performed other teams, which is exactly what the programs are designed to do. That's exactly the kind of "bias" they're intended to have.

Could you imagine an undefeated University of Houston (although they are my second team next to OU) playing an undefeated LSU? I see 70-28 with more injuries than occurred on Black Friday.

I can't see Houston scoring 70 on a decent team...sorry.

I'm with you Renewed...I'd love to see how that high flying C-USA offense would stand up against what is basically an NFL caliber defense.

I'm not sure Houston could hang with any top-10 team right now, except maybe Boise State. Even then they'd have their hands full.
 
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it "not a playoff." A bracket is pre-determined, teams are selected and seeded, and they play through the bracket. Yes, it's short, and there are only two teams, but it's a playoff.

you're right, it's a one game playoff. like the one they'll use to determine the wild card in baseball next year and like the one the march madness uses to determine the 64th team.


You're missing the point. The programs will only know which teams out-performed other teams, which is exactly what the programs are designed to do. That's exactly the kind of "bias" they're intended to have.

out-perform how? do you know the criteria and how that data is weighted in each formula? do you realize that for some teams there is currently an 11 spot discrepancy in the computer rankings?
 
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