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I also don't think the Big 12 is dead yet.

I can see BYU getting an invite within the next year. Then perhaps within a year after that, invites to Air Force and either SMU or Houston (more likely the former) to get back up to 12 teams. The two "new" western teams would join KU, KSU, Mizzou, and ISU in the north, the OK and TX schools reform the south.

I would like to have had TCU (and have wanted them in lieu of Baylor for many years), but I just don't think that's gonna happen.
 
I also don't think the Big 12 is dead yet.

What do you think of UT columnist Kirk Bohls's take that OU is headed to the Pac-123456 ASAP? I'm not sure I buy it happening that soon, but it's certainly possible.

Also, for what it's worth, I know someone who is "in the know" at the Univ of Houston, and he says UH has almost no chance of getting invited to the Big 12 because UT-A isn't interested in giving another Texas school (let alone a big public school [student pop. around 35k]) the boost it would get in revenue/recruiting by joining a BCS conference. The same (presumably) goes for SMU.
 
Ignatius, do you really think a move to the SEC is a good thing for A&M? Most of what I'm hearing from analyst is that it has the chance to severely hurt their recruiting and that in both football and basketball they are dooming themselves to a future of mediocrity. As I'm sure you know the argument is that they can't compete with the top programs in the SEC and won't ever get close to a championship or even a conference title. The goal each year will become getting invited to a low level bowl appearance in football.

From the perspective of a long time SEC person (born in Nashville, Volunteer fan for life), I think just being in the SEC could possibly help recruiting or at least break even just because of the exposure kids will get. Additionally, I can only assume that the revenue share that comes from being a part of the SEC will be better for the school overall, but I don't know for sure.

Thoughts?

Edit: Anyone can feel free to chime in, I just asked Ignatius as he is an Aggie fan.
 
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What do you think of UT columnist Kirk Bohls's take that OU is headed to the Pac-123456 ASAP? I'm not sure I buy it happening that soon, but it's certainly possible.

My take is that it's far, far more likely that OU would go independent before it would join a different conference. The reality, if "money talks," is that OU really isn't one of the "have nots" in the college football world; they'll be fine financially wherever they play. Their big motivator is recruiting; right now, they have conference opponents all over Texas (the single biggest reason the Big 12 was split North-South instead of East-West), and I don't think they want to give that up.

Just my theory.
 
My take is that it's far, far more likely that OU would go independent before it would join a different conference. The reality, if "money talks," is that OU really isn't one of the "have nots" in the college football world; they'll be fine financially wherever they play. Their big motivator is recruiting; right now, they have conference opponents all over Texas (the single biggest reason the Big 12 was split North-South instead of East-West), and I don't think they want to give that up.

Just my theory.

The problem with going independent is all your sports but football really really suffer. Top it off they would loss some of their recruiting base in Texas. That stings big time for them so they know a few years down the road it will really suffer.
 
The future is going to have 4 super conferences and a playoff system. Plus, I think ESPN will be cut out as the middleman and each conference will provide direct access to their subscribers. Maybe Google or Apple TV can get in on it.

One can dream right?:)
 
Ignatius, do you really think a move to the SEC is a good thing for A&M?

Without question I do. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by joining the best conference in football/baseball, and a conference where we are instantly the top of the class of the West division in basketball.

Most of what I'm hearing from analyst is that it has the chance to severely hurt their recruiting and that in both football and basketball they are dooming themselves to a future of mediocrity. As I'm sure you know the argument is that they can't compete with the top programs in the SEC and won't ever get close to a championship or even a conference title. The goal each year will become getting invited to a low level bowl appearance in football.

From the perspective of a long time SEC person (born in Nashville, Volunteer fan for life), I think just being in the SEC could possibly help recruiting or at least break even just because of the exposure kids will get. Additionally, I can only assume that the revenue share that comes from being a part of the SEC will be better for the school overall, but I don't know for sure.

Thoughts?

In my opinion, we have way too many resources to continue to be mediocre, and like I said above, there isn't a team in the West that is anywhere close to where A&M is in basketball right now.

We also have a top 5 recruiting class lined up for next year that will only be bolstered by the move, and assuming the team takes care of business this year, we are poised to continue rising up the ranks. Next year's NFL Draft is going to be littered with Aggies for the first time in a long time.

Like I've said repeatedly, just because we've been down the last decade or so doesn't mean we are going to suck forever. We have the fan/alumni passion, regional location and money to get back to where we were in the 90s. Remember, back in 1994 when the Big 12 was coming together, A&M was the dominant program in Texas, UT was in the middle of a decade-long period of suckitude and OU was an afterthought altogether. Things can change quickly with the right hire (See: Mack Brown and Bob Stoops), and moving to the SEC means we can't afford to wait too long on a guy who isn't performing (like they did with Franchione). Right now it looks like Sherman is the guy to get it done, but if he falls on his face we have the resources to go get almost anybody we want.

The problem with going independent is all your sports but football really really suffer. Top it off they would loss some of their recruiting base in Texas. That stings big time for them so they know a few years down the road it will really suffer.

I agree with the idea that OU would lose some luster, recruiting-wise, if they weren't playing football games in Texas several times a year, but they won't be going independent in all sports. Just football (like BYU).

That being said, this is really the first time I've ever heard anyone mention OU and independence together. Even though the Sooners are a national brand, do they have the following that Notre Dame and Texas (and even the Mormons) have that would have the TV guys jumping up to give them the sort of money that makes indy status feasible?
 
Football season officially starts

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Football season is finally here! I am a proud PAC-12 Ute getting ready to head down to the first game of the season in a few hours. Although it isn't the most interesting game of the season, I am ready to feel the roar of Rice-Eccles Stadium as the Utah Utes take on the Montana State Bobcats. There have been some reports of serious problems with our O-Line this year (two LG have been injured in fall practice :eek: already) so that is what I will be keeping my eye on most of all. One thing is for sure, this game will be pretty telling about how next week's USC game will go.

I am hoping for a good first year showing as one of the newest members of the PAC this year. We definitely have the easiest road to the PAC championship compared to any other team (We dodge Oregon and Stanford, get Arizona State at home, and USC is ineligible), but I'm not sure if we will be able to make it this year. In any respect many eyes will be on Utah this year to see if so called "mid-majors" can really compete with the big boys week in and week out.

Only time will tell.

Go Utes!

P-Worm
 
Without question I do. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by joining the best conference in football/baseball, and a conference where we are instantly the top of the class of the West division in basketball.



I agree with the idea that OU would lose some luster, recruiting-wise, if they weren't playing football games in Texas several times a year, but they won't be going independent in all sports. Just football (like BYU).

That being said, this is really the first time I've ever heard anyone mention OU and independence together. Even though the Sooners are a national brand, do they have the following that Notre Dame and Texas (and even the Mormons) have that would have the TV guys jumping up to give them the sort of money that makes indy status feasible?

Too bad there are no more divisions in SEC men's basketball. :)

I honestly don't think OU has the following to be independent. I also really don't see ESPN or other networks handing out fat TV contracts to every independent school. Really, where do you draw the line if you are a TV network? To be honest, I wonder if even Texas has the draw to be an independent. What is the draw outside the state of Texas, and can they convince cable/sat. providers to carry the network?

Edit: Not sure of what is going on. Word around the boards is skipping class. Only one starter in the group, but he is important. DL Fletcher Cox, who we really needed since we lost some folks on the DL. Of note: one of the suspended in Dylan Favre, Brett's nephew, who is 2-3rd string at QB.
 
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That being said, this is really the first time I've ever heard anyone mention OU and independence together. Even though the Sooners are a national brand, do they have the following that Notre Dame and Texas (and even the Mormons) have that would have the TV guys jumping up to give them the sort of money that makes indy status feasible?

I do not see what remains of the Big 12 allowing that or any conferences allow that. It would be one of those All or nothing things.

It is a great way to force a school like OU to get in line because they really can not afford to risk everything else.
 
We have some good games this weekend: Oregon-LSU and Boise State-Georgia. I think LSU wins easily at home, but don't know what to make of the Georgia game.

Really? ....Really??

I think we all know what's going to happen Saturday night. Starts with an 'R' and ends with 'edemption.'

GO BRONCOS!!

I don't think LSU wins easily. I'm not even sure they win, not with all those suspensions...
 
Too bad there are no more divisions in SEC men's basketball. :)

Touché. I guess well have to settle for being the third best basketball program in the conference behind Kentucky and Florida.

Is it baseball that keeps the divisions intact? That's a sport where the prospect of playing in the SEC really excites me a ton. South Carolina, Florida, LSU...that's pretty damned good company to keep.

I do not see what remains of the Big 12 allowing that or any conferences allow that. It would be one of those All or nothing things.

Notre Dame plays in the Big East in everything but football, and BYU just worked out an agreement, starting this year, to be independent in football while all of their other sports play in the West Coast Conference.
 
Touché. I guess well have to settle for being the third best basketball program in the conference behind Kentucky and Florida.

Is it baseball that keeps the divisions intact? That's a sport where the prospect of playing in the SEC really excites me a ton. South Carolina, Florida, LSU...that's pretty damned good company to keep.

Yeah, baseball keeps the divisions intact, sort of. When the SEC tourney rolls around, it's basically the top 8 teams, regardless of division. The division champs do get a bye in the first round, though. This will be the first year with no divisions in basketball. Basically, they got tired of the weak West getting a higher seeding and a first round bye while some East teams with better records didn't. We won the West a couple of times with a barely above .500 record.
 
Notre Dame plays in the Big East in everything but football, and BYU just worked out an agreement, starting this year, to be independent in football while all of their other sports play in the West Coast Conference.

does not mean they will let OU do it. I really do not see the Big 12 allowing it. It is about the only weapon the other conferences have to force OU to join them.
 
does not mean they will let OU do it. I really do not see the Big 12 allowing it. It is about the only weapon the other conferences have to force OU to join them.

No, not the Big 12, but if OU left it would blow up, anyway. If the Sooners really wanted to go independent in football (and I don't think could, necessarily, but let's just say they did for the sake of argument), C-USA or some similar conference would add their other sports in a heartbeat.
 
Hmm, looks like Boise State has caught the suspension bug. Three BSU players were suspended for the Georgia game.

Edit: Wanna see high school level play? Did anybody see the Kentucky - Western Kentucky game? It set the game back about 40 years. 34 point favorite Kentucky squeaked out a 14-3 victory. Check out the box score on the game.
 
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Hmm, looks like Boise State has caught the suspension bug. Three BSU players were suspended for the Georgia game.

Edit: Wanna see high school level play? Did anybody see the Kentucky - Western Kentucky game? It set the game back about 40 years. 34 point favorite Kentucky squeaked out a 14-3 victory. Check out the box score on the game.

Not exactly suspended... they are being held out pending a review of their eligibility. The end result is the same, not playing in the game, but the way it sounds is different. This isn't a result of player's off season antics (LSU) or anything. Still, a starting wide receiver and starting defensive back is a pretty big blow for Boise. Just hope they don't use it as an excuse when the Dawgs steamroll them in the Dome.

A picture is worth 180,000 words...

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Excuses? The only excuses that will be given will be uttered by the Georgia secondary when they get picked apart! :D

Febis is the biggest hit for us. But I'm really excited to see Ioane in his place. I've watched him in a couple scrimmages. This kid has some serious potential!

Boldewijn was the wildcard, though. He was really blooming in fall ball.

I just want some more details on the apparent ineligibility. All I've heard is that it stems from all three being from the Netherlands...??

......

And WTF TCU?!? When we want 'em to lose, they win. When we want 'em to win, they lose! Their "storied" defense looked more like a fantasy..
 
Hmm, looks like Boise State has caught the suspension bug. Three BSU players were suspended for the Georgia game.

Edit: Wanna see high school level play? Did anybody see the Kentucky - Western Kentucky game? It set the game back about 40 years. 34 point favorite Kentucky squeaked out a 14-3 victory. Check out the box score on the game.

From what I understand of it, they weren't suspended per se but didn't travel with the team. Until the NCAA makes a decision about their eligibility, Boise State did not want to take a chance an play them only to forfeit the games(s) in the future.
 
OU President David Boren says we won't have to wait long to find out what conference the Sooners will join.

My bet is the Pac-12, with a few other Big 12 teams joining, making it a "super-conference."
 
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