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2011-2012 College Football Thread

evilgEEk said:
So, the Big 12 is dead, right? I don't think OU is too far behind. Where do the rest of the schools go? I kind of think Texas has alienated themselves. Would the PAC still want them, or could they go independent?

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Pretty much. My guess is the PAC will offer an invite to the same 4 schools as last year making OU, OSU, UT and TTU all going to form the Pac-16. MU and TAMU going to SEC.

If Bois is lucky the SEC will try to pick them up as well as it goes to 16 teams.
 
evilgEEk said:
So, the Big 12 is dead, right? I don't think OU is too far behind. Where do the rest of the schools go? I kind of think Texas has alienated themselves. Would the PAC still want them, or could they go independent?

Very interesting!
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Rumor has it OU and Okie State are headed to the Pac-12 as soon as this week (they're expected to formally announce that they are looking around just as soon as A&M makes its SEC move official.

The ball will then be in UTex's court. If they want to join the Pac, they will have to trash their network and enter into an equal revenue deal with all the other members. If they're willing to do that, Texas Tech probably is the fourth team invited west. If they are not, the Pac will sit at 14 for the time being, or look to the midwest (or to Boise) for additional teams.

The Big East is said to be the landing spot for the Kansas schools. Baylor and Iowa State look like they will be left out entirely, so they'll probably head to C-USA or maybe the WAC) unless Baylor can talk other Texas schools (UH, SMU, UTEP, etc.) into forming a new SWC of sorts. It will not, of course, be an AQ league.

Rodimus Prime said:
If Bois is lucky the SEC will try to pick them up as well as it goes to 16 teams.
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Uh, no. Boise will not be getting an invitation to play in the SEC. That wouldn't make ANY sense (you think TCU is a stretch in the Big East? How about adding a team that's almost 2000 miles from its closest competitor?). The 14th (and maybe 15th and 16th) team will come from this list, most likely: West Virginia, Missouri, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, though it's been said that any school within the current footprint will face a steep uphill climb to secure the needed nine votes.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Uh, no. Boise will not be getting an invitation to play in the SEC. That wouldn't make ANY sense (you think TCU is a stretch in the Big East? How about adding a team that's almost 2000 miles from its closest competitor?). The 14th (and maybe 15th and 16th) team will come from this list, most likely: West Virginia, Missouri, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, though it's been said that any school within the current footprint will face a steep uphill climb to secure the needed nine votes.
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Yeah, this SEC expansion is all about new TV and recruiting markets. That's why they will have a problem taking teams in existing markets. A&M adds Texas, especially Houston (from my experience, Dallas seems to be more UT). Missouri would add the St. Louis market. That's why I find the West Virginia thing odd. That isn't a big market. I could see a North Carolina team such as ECU or NC State coming in to get that market. I don't know what ECU's fan base is, though, or if their program is up to snuff. I think NC State would be a good fit, but I don't think they will leave the ACC.

One of the Virginia teams would be a good move, market wise. Again, though, I don't see UVA or VT leaving their current conferences. So, I think the 14th team will be...Notre Dame!! :D

Just kidding...if that happens, I may stop watching college football all together. Honestly, I think Missouri may be the best fit.

Edit: The drama continues. The SEC approved A&M joining, on the condition that no B12 school objects. It seems now that at least one B12 member has withdrawn their approval. Speculation says it's Baylor. Check out the story here.
 
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I think it could most definitely be Baylor who is threatening legal action. Baylor and Iowa St. are the two teams (IMO) most left out in the cold if A&M goes SEC, OU, OSU, UT, TTU, whoever go to Pac-12 or wherever. If the Big 12 goes kaput, Baylor will be worse off then they are now- something that can't be said for many current Big 12 teams.
 
There's a report circulating that Texas A&M can only leave without legal action if OU declares loyalty to the Big 12. I think Baylor is a big reason for the holdout. I agree that they're screwed if the Big 12 collapses. Who, of the AQ's would want them? The amount of money they'd lose is enough to make any University foundation shake... Here's me not feeling bad for them. ;)

It would make sense for Boise State to be in the PAC-X, but it will never happen. We'll be in the MWC for the foreseeable future. I guarantee no invites will be coming our way.
 
evilgEEk said:
There's a report circulating that Texas A&M can only leave without legal action if OU declares loyalty to the Big 12. I think Baylor is a big reason for the holdout. I agree that they're screwed if the Big 12 collapses. Who, of the AQ's would want them? The amount of money they'd lose is enough to make any University foundation shake... Here's me not feeling bad for them. ;)

It would make sense for Boise State to be in the PAC-X, but it will never happen. We'll be in the MWC for the foreseeable future. I guarantee no invites will be coming our way.
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I want to say legally A&M might be on the hook for a few billion. Not that I would feel sorry for them at all. I am willing to bet OU is going to leave the Big 12 along with OSU. OU and OSU are going to move as a single unit.
 
It's frustrating to watch the little Baylor peckerheads slow down A&M's move to the SEC, but in the end they have no real say. They can threaten lawsuits all they want, but they'll never win them. The SEC had a letter in their hands from Dan Beebe saying that the Big 12 "and its members" waive any right to sue the SEC. Now they're saying the letter doesn't apply to "its members", only to the conference itself. Oops. Guess you should have worded that a little better.

There's also the fact that pretty much everyone involved (Beebe, Fox and ESPN execs, the Big 12 Chairman, DeLoss Dodds, etc.) claimed A&M was replaceable and that the Big 12 could actually be stronger without the Aggies than with us. They also contacted Arkansas recently and tried to get them to come over to the SEC (you can imagine how short that conversation was). So I guess it's okay if the Big 12 wants to "raid" another conference but it's not okay if A&M wants to leave of their own accord? Silly.

Add that to the fact that A&M has no contract with Baylor, only with the Big 12, and it pretty much means that this is just a last, desperate move by a school that no one would have any interest in otherwise. The only real damage that's going to be done by Baylor, in the end, is to Baylor. I can't imagine any conference wanting to add them as a member (as if anyone wanted them before, anyway) now that they've shown their ass like this.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
It's frustrating to watch the little Baylor peckerheads slow down A&M's move to the SEC, but in the end they have no real say. They can threaten lawsuits all they want, but they'll never win them. The SEC had a letter in their hands from Dan Beebe saying that the Big 12 "and its members" waive any right to sue the SEC. Now they're saying the letter doesn't apply to "its members", only to the conference itself. Oops. Guess you should have worded that a little better.

There's also the fact that pretty much everyone involved (Beebe, Fox and ESPN execs, the Big 12 Chairman, DeLoss Dodds, etc.) claimed A&M was replaceable and that the Big 12 could actually be stronger without the Aggies than with us. They also contacted Arkansas recently and tried to get them to come over to the SEC (you can imagine how short that conversation was). So I guess it's okay if the Big 12 wants to "raid" another conference but it's not okay if A&M wants to leave of their own accord? Silly.

Add that to the fact that A&M has no contract with Baylor, only with the Big 12, and it pretty much means that this is just a last, desperate move by a school that no one would have any interest in otherwise. The only real damage that's going to be done by Baylor, in the end, is to Baylor. I can't imagine any conference wanting to add them as a member (as if anyone wanted them before, anyway) now that they've shown their ass like this.
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The case from like Baylor completely depends on OU. If OU leaves the big 12 is done and the breakup can be blamed on TAMU since TAMU leaving pretty much started the fall out and it desolving. Since all the contracts with the big 12 are now being broken someone will be on the hook for it and it is going to be TAMU being the lions share rightfully so. Add in the fact that TAMU is Rick Perry baby and a land grant school I have zero sympathy for them.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
The case from like Baylor completely depends on OU. If OU leaves the big 12 is done and the breakup can be blamed on TAMU since TAMU leaving pretty much started the fall out and it desolving. Since all the contracts with the big 12 are now being broken someone will be on the hook for it and it is going to be TAMU being the lions share rightfully so. Add in the fact that TAMU is Rick Perry baby and a land grant school I have zero sympathy for them.
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  1. Other schools can try to blame A&M for breaking up the conference, but they're going to have a hard time proving it after all the posturing they made about how replaceable the Aggies were (as noted above).
  2. A&M is a public institution and therefore cannot be sued. Being a Tech fan, you should probably already know that.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
  1. Other schools can try to blame A&M for breaking up the conference, but they're going to have a hard time proving it after all the posturing they made about how replaceable the Aggies were (as noted above).
  2. A&M is a public institution and therefore cannot be sued. Being a Tech fan, you should probably already know that.
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Yeah that can not be sued is in someway crap because ttu did not have a case if it went to court and they knew it.

Quition is who will be out the money for breaking the TV contracts when the big 12 breaks up. I would feel that it should be TAMU being the lion share and ou for the rest of it.
UT is on its own for its long horn crap network that it should of never been given but the TV part for the big 12 should be paid by TAMU.

The big 12 is pretty much dead if not this year then soon. They very unbalanced payment system is a huge part of it.

Baylor and Iowa are going to be the schools doing the suing. The others all have a good chances at being picked up.
KU and KS are a package deal and OSU and OU are a package deal.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Yeah that can not be sued is in someway crap because ttu did not have a case if it went to court and they knew it.
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A&M cannot be sued because of sovereign immunity. Look it up. That's why Baylor is threatening to sue the SEC and Mike Slive individually instead of Texas A&M.
 
What a friggin' mess. I hope A&M whoops Baylor's ass good for this. I'm talking an up by eight touchdowns and the only question is whether to run or pass for 2 kind of ass whooping...
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
A&M cannot be sued because of sovereign immunity. Look it up. That's why Baylor is threatening to sue the SEC and Mike Slive individually instead of Texas A&M.
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I know what it is and it was crap how it was used by ttu because it was in the wrong against mike leach.

Either way someone is going to be on the hook for the TV contracts and like I said I feel TAMU should be it.

I know I have said it before but Baylor never belonged in the big 12. It never had the caliber to play with the other schools. Minus last year how long had it been since Baylor was even bowl eligible?
Baylor does not have the political poll this time to save it and it knows it.
Baylor and Iowa are the two schools that are screwed in a big 12 breaks up.

As for the undoing of the Big 12 overall I blame UT and OU because they get so much of the money and other pluses. I can not blame schools for wanting to jump ship for a more equal share of the pie.
UT network screwed over the big 12 staying together followed by such a poss poor break up of how the money is split up.
 
dmr727 said:
What a friggin' mess. I hope A&M whoops Baylor's ass good for this. I'm talking an up by eight touchdowns and the only question is whether to run or pass for 2 kind of ass whooping...
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Well said, my orange friend. I hope Baylor is undefeated when they come to Kyle. The atmosphere will be absolutely nuts (especially if all this BS isn't worked out by then).

Unfortunately, my stupid sister-in-law decided to get married that day so I've got to find someone to give my tickets to. :mad:
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Well said, my orange friend. I hope Baylor is undefeated when they come to Kyle. The atmosphere will be absolutely nuts (especially if all this BS isn't worked out by then).

Unfortunately, my stupid sister-in-law decided to get married that day so I've got to find someone to give my tickets to. :mad:
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Bah, it's just a sister-in-law. It's not like it's a blood relative. You have to have your priorities! I thought everybody in Texas knew better than to do any major social events on Saturday during football season. :D
 
steve2112 said:
Bah, it's just a sister-in-law. It's not like it's a blood relative.
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If I ever want to see my unborn daughter, it would probably behoove me not to skip my pregnant wife's little sister's wedding...that I'm in.

steve2112 said:
You have to have your priorities! I thought everybody in Texas knew better than to do any major social events on Saturday during football season. :D
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Some Texans are "car people" :rolleyes:
 
I'm sure the MWC would welcome Baylor with open arms. :D

There's no way they get picked up by an AQ conference after all this. I think Iowa State has a better chance than Baylor, although it's unlikely for them, too. ISU could always join C-USA!

But to blame A&M for the implosion isn't right. It's the Big 12 conference itself's fault for all of this. It starts at the ridiculous unequal revenue sharing, and ends at the inability to tell Texas to scale back their ambitions a bit. I can't blame Texas for wanting the giant TV deal, but to me it seems that was the multi-million dollar straw that broke the Big 12's back.

I think Texas would be best suited going independent in football. Keep their TV deal, and I don't think they'd have any problems scheduling opponents.

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Ha ha ha ha!! I love Pat Forde!!

Pat Forde said:
Adding to the absurdity is the fact that the league's power brokers are shrinking back in the shadows while the midgets wrestle.
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Besides being hilarious, it's a good article.
 
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IgnatiusTheKing said:
Mississippi State got hosed on that leaping play at the goal line. Should've been the game-tying touchdown.
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Yeah, we also got screwed on a couple of other calls. I guess since they didn't have a Cam Newton to rent this year, they paid the $180k to the SEC refs. And our defense looked absolutely terrible. And to top it off, we lost two guys off an already shaky offensive line, one possible for a long time.

This going to be a long season.
 
steve2112 said:
This going to be a long season.
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Don't hang your head. Your D had some issues but the offense looked pretty unstoppable a lot of the time. I think MSU is in for another season like they had last year, which was pretty damned good.

-y0- said:
Hope Shoelace runs and passes for 200 plus yards vs them Irish.
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I think he probably will. Can Michigan's defense stop Notre Dame? Probably not. Shootout!

When did Robinson get that nickname, anyway? I'd never heard it before Desmond Howard gushed it 50 times on GameDay this morning.
 
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