2011 Formula 1 Thread

[DAC47]

I suppose it makes some sense from the BBC's point of view, they retain some rights till 2018 and they'll save money not having to cover all the races. I would guess they'll drop most of long haul events like China, Malaysia, Singapore, Korea & Japan leaving mostly the European and North American races which get better rating anyway.

still bloody annoying though.

 

[fat jez]

The teams are investigating whether this is against the terms of the Concorde Agreement.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455

 

[OllyW]

The teams are investigating whether this is against the terms of the Concorde Agreement.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455

Sky will just give them loads more money and everything will be rosy.

 

[fat jez]

Sky will just give them loads more money and everything will be rosy.

I'm not sure it's that simple. Sponsors expect a certain amount of TV exposure for their investment. If viewing figures in the UK plummet on the weekends there is limited BBC viewing, they can probably insist on paying less for their sponsorship in the future. So the teams get less money and the smaller ones struggle even more to find sponsors. I don't think Bernie will hand over enough to compensate, unless he's getting a REALLY good deal from Sky and has surplus cash to splash around.

 

[pachyderm]

No it's bloody not.

i hate it for you guys. i have a lot of english friends who are footy/f1 fans and not one of you has said this is a good idea. tough break.

 

[robbieduncan]

No matter what I won't be getting a Sky subscription. I hate Sky. I hate Murdoch. The dishes are like pikey carbuncles on buildings. Just like the cricket (which I would like to watch) or the rugby world cup (ditto) I'll just not watch it.

 

[RaceTripper]

In the U.S. only 4 races are on free TV (FOX), no practice, no quali. All the rest is on pay cable/satellite (i.e. Speed TV). Not sure how teams can say it's against Concorde Agreement when it's been this way in the U.S. for many years.

 

[MOFS]

No it's bloody not.

Agreed. I'm not convinced the Sky will gain much, although I guess the exclusive races they have won't just be the unsociable hours one like. No would subscribe just to see the China GP live. Auntie appears to have given up the ghost when it comes to sport. It would've been better on ITV.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

In the U.S. only 4 races are on free TV (FOX), no practice, no quali. All the rest is on pay cable/satellite (i.e. Speed TV). Not sure how teams can say it's against Concorde Agreement when it's been this way in the U.S. for many years.

Not to mention that, last time I watched a race, Speed did plenty of commercials during the race and as a result we constantly missed key passes/crashes/pits etc etc. It's a complete effing joke. TV execs just can't seem to handle coverage of any event without inserting commercials.

Rupert Murdoch strikes again.

 

[Don't panic]

Not to mention that, last time I watched a race, Speed did plenty of commercials during the race and as a result we constantly missed key passes/crashes/pits etc etc. It's a complete effing joke. TV execs just can't seem to handle coverage of any event without inserting commercials.

yep, the commercial breaks are many and very invasive. it's the same when it's on fox, though. plus, as mentioned above, the "free" ones are delayed, which in the time of the interwebs means there is no point in watching them.

it is much less of an issue in the US however, as the norm is to have cable, rather than not.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

it is much less of an issue in the US however, as the norm is to have cable, rather than not.

That is true - but the coverage is crap either way, so every spectator gets shafted in the end. The TV execs and F1 get our money, so it's win-win for them as long as we keep tuning in.

 

[DAC47]

Good article in the guardian about the details of the new deal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/29/f1-new-tv-deal

with the licence fee frozen this is probably the best they could manage

 

[rezenclowd3]

Looks like it will be back to finding torrents of the races...

 

[bluap84]

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[Lone Deranger]

Ferrari management, drivers and fans alike, take note of what McLaren is doing out there on track. Their drivers are racing each other. This is sport! Unlike whatever it is you have been doing for all these years.

 

[iGav]

Ferrari management, drivers and fans alike, take note of what McLaren is doing out there on track. Their drivers are racing each other. This is sport! Unlike whatever it is you have been doing for all these years.

You're conveniently forgetting that McLaren have frequently used team orders in the past. Even Red Bull have come around to that way of thinking.

It's a team sport. Always has been. Always will be. McLaren are no different, don't think otherwise.

 

[Lone Deranger]

True, they have. But there seems to be a huge difference in the way both teams interpret team orders and to what lengths they go to use them.
Today was a great example with Massa getting in front of Alonso because of a mistake by Alonso. Immediately Massa had to yield. At least the McLaren drivers were allowed to take each other on throughout the length of the race and let the best man win.

Being the number two driver at Ferrari is akin to being a Personal Assistant. I much prefer McLaren's approach over that.

 

[acurafan]

it was good gamble by jenson on the hard tires and blasting by hamilton to finish. the mclaren pair are great to watch.

ferrari is notorious for selling out team orders; it's so blatant that a cave man can do it.

 

[iGav]

But there seems to be a huge difference in the way both teams interpret team orders and to what lengths they go to use them.

What you mean the coded messages telling their cars to hold station, crippling car strategy to guarantee qualifying positions between their drivers, swapping positions on the first race of the season, swapping car positions at the same part of the track that Ferrari did only a couple of years later. Yup… that's a huge difference alright.

Today was a great example with Massa getting in front of Alonso because of a mistake by Alonso. Immediately Massa had to yield.

Are you sure that's actually a "great example" of team orders and not actually the effectiveness of DRS?

At least the McLaren drivers were allowed to take each other on throughout the length of the race and let the best man win.

But it's not always like like is it? You know the fabled… we need you to save fuel message.

In this instance, they didn't have the choice but to let them race, both had trouble keeping it on the track when it got slippy and Vettel was immediately behind them.

Being the number two driver at Ferrari is akin to being a Personal Assistant.

You should hear what D.C. had to say about being the number two driver at McLaren for 9 years.

I much prefer McLaren's approach over that.

Oh yes, because it's really all that different isn't it.

Anyway, interesting race… cringe worthy post-race comments about Hamilton. Have they not been paying attention to the number of mistakes he's made this season? The reality is, without the f***ups he'd be much closer to Vettel in the Championship, just when it seems that he's now got the fastest race car on the grid.

 

[pachyderm]

Not to mention that, last time I watched a race, Speed did plenty of commercials during the race and as a result we constantly missed key passes/crashes/pits etc etc. It's a complete effing joke. TV execs just can't seem to handle coverage of any event without inserting commercials.

Rupert Murdoch strikes again.

at least speed shows them live. i hate when fox(delayed) has them.

Lone Deranger = most quoted forumer on this page ...

 

[xUKHCx]

I wonder if they will ban Maldonado for that. Totally wrong, he deliberately crashed into Hamilton there.

 

[MOFS]

I wonder if they will ban Maldonado for that. Totally wrong, he deliberately crashed into Hamilton there.

Nasty incident - never seem anything like that before.

Button was told to come in to the pits. Regardless, great drive by Senna so far.

 

[iGav]

I wonder if they will ban Maldonado for that.

Hamilton should be too, looks like he suddenly swerved/jinked first, then Maldonado returned the favour.

<edit> Unbelievable bias from the BBC team, particularly Eddie Jordan, especially when first showing the replay to him, he was just about to start ranting about Maldonado's move, and yup... that's right Eddie, Lewis jinked first didn't he.

 

[remmy]

Nasty incident - never seem anything like that before.

Button was told to come in to the pits. Regardless, great drive by Senna so far.

Remeber Schumacher did that, but that was a long time ago, and not quite the same situation.

 

[adztaylor]

Gotta admit, think I might have to eat my words regarding Senna. Great quali session by him.

As for Maldonado, I doubt they'll disqualify him but I can see him receiving a hefty penalty.