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Nothing to do with F1 but an interesting rant by respected motoring journalist Chris Harris about exactly how far Ferrari will go to "win" road tests. Cheating? I'd say so.

http://ca.jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

Seems all advertising is like that as well, not just so called "reviews". Makes me think of Apples own commercials too.:D As someone posted in the comments to that story, I really don't mind. It shows Ferarri's roots in racing, and their dedication to get all they can out of a car.
 
As expected, F1 is to change to turbo'd 1.6 litre 4 cylinder engines from 2013.

Apparently, around about 600bhp, with the remaining 150bhp to be released by KERS & "power-boost" (presumably turbo-boost) systems. With the introduction of new "compounding" technology in the years afterwards.

Sadly though, they'll only spin at 10,000rpm... which means the days on the sonorous-screamers will be over, hopefully not to be replaced by the dreadfully dull drone of the last turbo era. :(

Hopefully it won't be as back as the dren eminating from IRL-IndyCars. I would give up my iPhone for a week to hear the roar of the CART/ChampCar engines again.
 
Nothing to do with F1 but an interesting rant by respected motoring journalist Chris Harris about exactly how far Ferrari will go to "win" road tests. Cheating? I'd say so.

http://ca.jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

I read this yesterday and almost posted it in another thread.

It makes me wonder how the Top Gear crew get any Ferarris to review, because they regularly criticise them - though I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Ferraris they test are ringers.

Ferrari make some pretty amazing cars, and they are perhaps the greatest racing marque in the history of racing - but the level of control they exert over their product is equally amazing.
 
Hopefully it won't be as back as the dren eminating from IRL-IndyCars. I would give up my iPhone for a week to hear the roar of the CART/ChampCar engines again.
The ChampCars sounded pretty good, but I thought the racing could be pretty dull. I attended ChampCar in 2007 at Road America (which also had ALMS), and the parade of cars around the track was so monotonous we left before the race even ended. What a surprise...Sebas won. :rolleyes:
 
After yesterday's events in Manama, the Bahrain GP and the final pre-season test the week before are both at risk of being called off.

This weekend's GP2 Asia race at the Sakhir circuit has already been cancelled.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89525
I also saw some statement (don't have link) that says Abu Dhabi could be ready to host for the season opener if it needs to be moved. Not sure how realistic that is, unless they make that decision very soon.
 
Nothing to do with F1 but an interesting rant by respected motoring journalist Chris Harris about exactly how far Ferrari will go to "win" road tests. Cheating? I'd say so.

http://ca.jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

I'm not sure if this is any different to say Nissan massaging the numbers for the GTR, Porsche quietly using optional-trick rubber in supposed comparison tests, Jaguar disconnecting cats, or numerous car manufacturers "tweaking' their test-cars for either performance or economy depending on what the desired marketing goal is.

In a way, it's a shame Ferrari do resort to taking it so seriously though, as Monkey Boy says, their cars are good enough… but I very much doubt it'll damage the brand, well no more than Ferrari World has anyway. ;)

I do like Chris Harris though, his videos are f-in brilliant. It's a shame that Driver's Republic folded, it had much potential. :(

It makes me wonder how the Top Gear crew get any Ferarris to review, because they regularly criticise them

Top Gear doesn't really review cars though does it, unless one actually spells review like this... "sensationalist", when Clarkson was "reviewing" the 458, he was bitching about how you can't have both the sat nav and the speedo on at the same time, yet you could see the speedo clear-as-day whilst the sat-nav was on. :rolleyes: An observation that was erroneously repeated again in last weeks show. :rolleyes:

But Top Gear's really not about cars anymore, it's demographic has changed, considerably.

Hopefully it won't be as back as the dren eminating from IRL-IndyCars.

It could sound even worse... weren't those V8's in the IRL's at least? The 4 cylinder turbo's in the '80's were utterly dreadful and flat sounding engines. :(

Of course, everything pales in comparison to the 20k+ V10 screamers of 2004. :)
 
Top Gear doesn't really review cars though does it, unless one actually spells review like this... "sensationalist"But Top Gear's really not about cars anymore, it's demographic has changed, considerably.

True. Perhaps Ferrari figure that having the car on TG is worth the advertising space, regardless of what Mr. Clarkson says about it.

As for the demographic changing, that must be why Lady Blackadder likes to watch it now. :eek:

Do you watch Fifth Gear at all?

iGav said:
Of course, everything pales in comparison to the 20k+ V10 screamers of 2004.

Indeed. What a sound. :D
 
True. Perhaps Ferrari figure that having the car on TG is worth the advertising space, regardless of what Mr. Clarkson says about it.

As for the demographic changing, that must be why Lady Blackadder likes to watch it now. :eek:

Do you watch Fifth Gear at all?

Once it went to the new 30-minute format, I did. Done wonders, IMO, for tightening it up.

I'm going to reply to these in the Top Gear thread so as to keep this thread on topic... ;) :)

Indeed. What a sound. :D

I've not heard the current V8's in person, but one of the biggest shames of the testing ban, is that you can no longer go to Silverstone, pay a few quid and watch a days testing… (wasn't as boring as it sounded, because you'd often get drivers having mini races amongst themselves). Now you have remortgage, sell a body part, donate bodily fluid and risk contracting multiple STI's just to be able to afford go and watch Friday practice. :(
 
Bahrain GP off and next week's test cancelled.

So the 2011 season now starts at the Australian GP, on the 25-27 March.

Definitely the correct decision. Although it should have been made faster. Bernie was playing a game if chicken with the authorities out there: if he cancelled he'd owe them the money they have paid him to stage it. If they cancel then he doesn't....
 
if he cancelled he'd owe them the money they have paid him to stage it. If they cancel then he doesn't....

I do wonder if there's a clause in the contract though, that states that they (Bahrain organisers) still have to pay Bernie regardless of the reasons surrounding the cancellation? I wouldn't be surprised... what the hell kind of contract has a clause that covers much of North Africa & the Middle East falling apart? :eek:
 
I do wonder if there's a clause in the contract though, that states that they (Bahrain organisers) still have to pay Bernie regardless of the reasons surrounding the cancellation? I wouldn't be surprised... what the hell kind of contract has a clause that covers much of North Africa & the Middle East falling apart? :eek:

I've seen it suggested elsewhere that that's exactly what has happened.
 
I do wonder if there's a clause in the contract though, that states that they (Bahrain organisers) still have to pay Bernie regardless of the reasons surrounding the cancellation? I wouldn't be surprised... what the hell kind of contract has a clause that covers much of North Africa & the Middle East falling apart? :eek:

I think that's true, but from whats being said it's being implied Bahrain are still hoping to rearrange the race for later in the year. Australia still don't really want to hold the race themselves. South Korea are looking positively slick in comparison at this time! ;)
 
I've seen it suggested elsewhere that that's exactly what has happened.

I think that's true, but from whats being said it's being implied Bahrain are still hoping to rearrange the race for later in the year. Australia still don't really want to hold the race themselves. South Korea are looking positively slick in comparison at this time! ;)

According to James Allen's website, Bernie took the unusual step the other day 'coming out to say that Bahrain would not have to pay for the race if it doesn’t take place. F1 will take the hit if the race doesn’t happen, which means FOM and CVC and the teams will take the hit.'.

Given what's going on in the region... the just thing to do.

South Korea are looking positively slick in comparison at this time! ;)
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Know very little about Formula 1, but thought this would spark some conversation:

Bernie Ecclestone: Create 'rain' to make Formula One more exciting

Speaking to the official Formula One website, Ecclestone said that dry tracks made overtaking "almost impossible" and suggested that in the future, circuits could be installed with systems to simulate the effect of rain on the surface.

"You have a completely different picture when it is wet," said the 80-year-old. "We always had the most exciting races in the wet so let's think of making rain.

"There are race tracks that you can make artificially wet and it would be easy to have such systems at a number of tracks. Why not let it 'rain' in the middle of a race? For 20 minutes or the last 10 laps? Maybe with a two-minute warning ahead of it. Suspense would be guaranteed and it would be the same for all."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/mar/01/bernie-ecclestone-rain-formula-one

Wacky races.
 
Know very little about Formula 1, but thought this would spark some conversation

I can't decide if I'm behind this or not. It's something I've occasionally suggested in the past, mostly after an exciting wet race. But in the end it's meant to be a sport. Artificially tampering with it to this extent just for the spectacle? Might as well be professional wrestling :p
 
I agree rain races are exciting, but much of that excitement is due to the changing conditions and how teams respond to them.

If everyone goes to inters on Lap 50 because they turn the sprinklers on come Lap 51, then does that really change the field all the much?

And for safety issues, how wet would they make the track? Would it just be "mildly moist" so they stay on Inters, or would they go for the "full soak" to require wets?

And for a sport that is trying to make itself "green", how will environmental groups respond to the use of who knows how many kiloliters of water from the local water system to damp a patch of asphault in the hope it makes things more exciting?
 
I'm all for whatever mad implementation of wetness Bernie can offer.

...Hamilton is absolutely sublime in the wet :D
 
Know very little about Formula 1, but thought this would spark some conversation:

A few years ago, such a suggestion would've been seen by some as an obvious attempt to favour Schumacher & Ferrari you know. :rolleyes: ;) :p

Artificially tampering with it to this extent just for the spectacle?

Nothing new, look what they did to try and curb the domination of Ferrari and Schumacher in the early 2000's... entirely unnecessary really, when history has proven that such things are cyclical.

But pretty much in agreement with CWallace though on this, I don't think it would change a thing really.

P.S. BV in the F1 Thread... :eek: let me hear ya say ah yeah? Can I hear you say ah yeah? :D
 
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