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2011 Formula 1 Thread
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"PC gone mad"?
I'd love to continue this debate, but it will go PRSI if we do.Yes. And the gap between the compounds remain. Luckily no teams will be able to do this year what I suspected some teams should have done, and pit on the first lap and then use the hard tyre for the rest of the race.
"PC gone mad"?
sorry, i think the pc fit is worse over the pond than ours.
What a farcical mess this whole thing is.
You can say that again. This is precisely why I hate the entire notion of licensed branding.
I think this is going to be a big year for Vettel.
Michael Schumacher won the WC in 1994 under dubious circumstances with it coming down to the last race. (Although the penalties he received during the year seemed excessive. He should have won it easily in 1994.) Then in 1995 he dominated.
I think Vettel's 2011 is going to be like Schumacher's 1995.
It could be an exciting year but not when it comes down to the world championship chase.
Michael Schumacher won the WC in 1994 under dubious circumstances with it coming down to the last race. (Although the penalties he received during the year seemed excessive. He should have won it easily in 1994.) Then in 1995 he dominated.
I think Vettel's 2011 is going to be like Schumacher's 1995.
It could be an exciting year but not when it comes down to the world championship chase.
i hope yer wrong. i don't mind vettel repeating but i'd like to see it come down to a three or four man battle again...
Now is probably a good time to discuss qualifying, in particular the return of the 107% rule. Had FP2 being qualifying neither Virgin car would have made it as the 107% time was 1m 31.864s.
it might be different on sunday, but cars with such a huge difference in performance shouldn't belong in the same race.
what happens, however, if a car doesn't put in a valid lap at all? let's say Vettel burns the engine on he first in-lap of qualis (or some fixable electronics issues that prevent him form participating to Q1). can he race? should he race?
The World Motor Sports Council said
So if Vettel (or any other top driver) fails to set a time they will probably get to race anyway. But if Hispania fail to set a time they won't as they have not set any times in free practice yet...
That was my interpretation too. Basically Alonso in Monaco last would have qualified [last] when he binned his Ferrari last year. Glock apparently is hoping for the front runners to use hards, which is a bit desparate albeint possible as the teams try to conserve as many sets for the race as possible [some teams think 4 stops possible]. I think most teams will run one soft tyre stint and the rest hard tyres, but we shall see.
thanks.
i wonder if the top teams will take it easy in Q1 to let virgin and hispania (if they even race) in, or if they push to get rid of them.
If i were virgin i would do a few laps on fumes with a super-light car in the last free practice, to clock a lap good enough to get back in anyways.
Hispania I don't know. I am hoping they can make it but i expect they won't.
I hope I'm wrong too. Was never a fan of Schumacher, especially back then, but his return is good show and good for the sport.
For once, the Australian Grand Prix happens at a reasonable hour for me: 9:30pm local (Alaska) time on Saturday night.
rezenclowd3
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No spoilers here!
I am AMAZED at the gap between pole and 2nd quali finisher! .778 seconds!!! Wow... I didn't expect THAT team to come close to second either... Looks like I might just have to wear my team polo shirt on race day
I do wonder if the pole sitter might have pushed too perfectly, possibly ruining his longer pace on the faster degrading tires this season. We shall see, and much can still be shuffled with the pit strategy. If the tires DO degrade as quickly as I understand, it really might make sense to not push 100% for Q3, especially if there are 3+ pit stops. Anyone feel differently please pitch in.
This is wrong: BTW if the 107% really is used (sorry not sure) then the cutoff time is 1min 28.306 seconds and 6 cars would not start. [Insert team name here] of course is considerably slower at almost 10 seconds. Terrible terrible.... BTW one can most likely guess which 6 cars are dropped.
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EDIT: I was wrong about the 107% rule. It is in for this year, but its time is based on the fastest lap during Q1, NOT Q3. Only 1 team then should not start.
I am AMAZED at the gap between pole and 2nd quali finisher! .778 seconds!!! Wow... I didn't expect THAT team to come close to second either... Looks like I might just have to wear my team polo shirt on race day
I do wonder if the pole sitter might have pushed too perfectly, possibly ruining his longer pace on the faster degrading tires this season. We shall see, and much can still be shuffled with the pit strategy. If the tires DO degrade as quickly as I understand, it really might make sense to not push 100% for Q3, especially if there are 3+ pit stops. Anyone feel differently please pitch in.
This is wrong: BTW if the 107% really is used (sorry not sure) then the cutoff time is 1min 28.306 seconds and 6 cars would not start. [Insert team name here] of course is considerably slower at almost 10 seconds. Terrible terrible.... BTW one can most likely guess which 6 cars are dropped.
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EDIT: I was wrong about the 107% rule. It is in for this year, but its time is based on the fastest lap during Q1, NOT Q3. Only 1 team then should not start.
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Even if it was the Q3 time I have the cutoff time as 1:29.376 so only 4 cars would have been dropped...
I'm pretty sure that how it works is this:
The 107% are being calculated from the pole time.
But if any car outside the 107% had at least one lap inside the 107% in one of the qualifiying (and maybe even training) sessions, race control can still allow them to start.
The 107% are being calculated from the pole time.
But if any car outside the 107% had at least one lap inside the 107% in one of the qualifiying (and maybe even training) sessions, race control can still allow them to start.
rezenclowd3
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if you watch that pole lap you can see him making a small error 3 corners before the finishing line and that he didn't even bother to use the KERS power the whole lap
in that light those 0.778 ahead is quite massive.. considering that he just would have to press a button to go even faster than that
in that light those 0.778 ahead is quite massive.. considering that he just would have to press a button to go even faster than that
No exceptional circumstances today though as both HRT drivers have been told they can't make the grid tomorrow.
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It was impressive but I am not sure if it was him just flexing his muscle or if it is genuine race season long pace. It is still too early to tell just how good it was.
They were rubbish. I think we should hold a sweepstake to guess which race they will qualify for
I guess they could use the extra time for development purposes.Anyone want to guess how many times this season the commentators will talk about Button's smooth driving and better rear tyre preservation over Hamilton?
He didn't use the KERS for the whole lap because he can't.
jamesallenonf1 said:
An interesting solution - I wonder if it's a Renault system or a Red Bull Engineering one. It does mean they're a bit vulnerable if the Mclarens can get close to them.
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well that article is only speculation from hearsay... especially since in free training vettel was called over the radio that he shouldn't forget to use KERS because it was overheating
also it wouldn't make much sense to sacrifice 0.4 second each lap for a whole race by making it "start only"... especially with multiple pit stops (some estimate 4 or even more) and potential safety car restarts
edit: but i can see them making it a system with a rather long recharge time and thus perhaps save weight and drag
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