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I'd love to have a trackpad but I do really like the Magic Mouse. It's not super ergonomic, of course, but I like it more than most other traditional mice.

I know a lot of people that like them. That's cool. But it's not ergonomic at all. Not even a little. The only Apple mouse I ever liked (loved actually) was the ADB II. In my opinion, it's the last and only good mouse Apple ever made.
 
GPU - Are you graphic editing? I don't think any of the games on the Mac really tax the GPU yet. I'd say no.

If allows me to run Starcraft 2 at the insanely high native resolution with all the details set to high at 60 fps, I'd spring for it.
 
very nice feature

If I had a need and wasn't blinded by the 27" I'd definitely jump for one. But I really don't have a need for iMacs any more but I am seriously impressed by today's release.

That Engadget spread is frightening except for video/graphic designer folks who could use all that screen real estate. My eyes are shut cowering over the might and GLARE from those monitors. :D
 
I use my 2010 27" iMac as a monitor for a PC gaming rig that utilizes the mini-display port and I must say that this will be the last iMac I own until they change this. This was one of main selling points for me since I could still use a pc and not have to suffer with the iMac's poor gaming performance.

No matter how you slice it, the integrated video card with the current iMacs CANNOT drive the resolution these displays use.

The only option is build a high end PC that can push that kinda resolution at decent framerates.

Now that they have removed the option and restricted it to TB only display ports, we are now forced to "upgrade" to a new mac tho it still cant hold a candle to whats available to system builders today.

I made the switch to Mac years and years ago but I think it's finally run it's course. When this thing takes a **** and they offer me a new one through my Apple Care, I'll sell it and buy a real display an perhaps mac mini.

Apple has fallen so far behind the desktop computing business and its clear they want to funnel their remaining customers through this purchase path.

I'm confused. What has changed about the target display mode? Isn't it still there?
 
And would the same setup work in bootcamp (ie using eyefinity)?

Probably, but it might depend on whether you can download the Windows 7 drivers from ATI, or whether you have to use Apple's dual boot drivers. (ATI's drivers would be much more likely to support all of the GPU features.)


Is TB able to have both channels send (or receive) at the same time?

Your question should be "can TBolt 'team' two channels for double bandwidth on one connection"?

For your question, the answer is "yes" if you can have two simultaneous 10 Gb/sec links. For my version, the answer is yes if you can have one 20 Gb/sec link.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20036002-1.html

Yes and anyway first you have to put it out there for other companies to make stuff for it. Business class 101 :rolleyes:

Shipping sometime this summer - so the answer is "no, there are no TBolt devices available to buy".

The real worry about this fact, though, is that no Apples have been tested with openly purchased TBolt peripherals. I wonder how many software updates, firmware revisions, or motherboard replacements will be needed before TBolt devices work reliably without kernel panics.
 
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Probably, but it might depend on whether you can download the Windows 7 drivers from ATI, or whether you have to use Apple's dual boot drivers.




Your question should be "can TBolt 'team' two channels for double bandwidth on one connection"?

For your question, the answer is "yes" if you can have two simultaneous 10 Gb/sec links. For my version, the answer is yes if you can have one 20 Gb/sec link.




Shipping sometime this summer - so the answer is "no, there are no TBolt devices available to buy".

The real worry about this fact, though, is that no Apples have been tested with openly purchased TBolt peripherals. I wonder how many software updates, firmware revisions, or motherboard replacements will be needed before TBolt devices work reliably without kernel panics.

I wouldnt worry about kernal panics or incompatibility issues with thunderbolt. Its like any other peripherals, its been heavily tested by apple and as long as other devices meets the requirements for thunderbolt, there will be no issues.
 
I wouldnt worry about kernal panics or incompatibility issues with thunderbolt. Its like any other peripherals, its been heavily tested by apple and as long as other devices meets the requirements for thunderbolt, there will be no issues.

I *would* worry, for the following reasons:

  • There are *no* production TBolt devices available on the market - how can it be "heavily tested" if no off-the-shelf peripherals can be purchased?
  • TBolt is not like USB or 1394 (which use a port/class driver architecture) - TBolt is a PCIe bus extension, and TBolt devices require 3rd party PCIe drivers/kernel extensions to work.
    • "Port/class" architecture uses something that's somewhat like a "plug-in" model. The "port" driver controls the actual USB/1394 hardware port. The "class" driver is like a plug-in that adapts the port traffic to the device needs - like whether the device is a serial device, a storage device, or an HID.
  • "Apple OSX" and "3rd party device drivers" defines a place that is not a "happy place"
  • Not only are TBolt devices external PCIe devices, but they're daisy-chained and hot pluggable. Windows has lots of experience with hot-plugging PCIe cards, but it's a new concept for Apple OSX. Do you really think that issues won't arise from PCIe devices suddenly appearing and disappearing? Would you be comfortable yanking a PCIe card out of a running Mac Pro - because that's exactly what unplugging a TBolt cable does.
  • And, in case it didn't register, there has been *no* testing with off-the-shelf TBolt devices.
 
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Nice pieces of kit. Would this put the top of the line iMacs in the realm of professional photographers who have to do a lot of post processing? Or is the monitor not up to scratch for that? I can see huge external RAID arrays equipped with Thunderbolt to cater for the safe storage of large amounts of RAW files :D
 
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Meh... I was really hoping for a vastly improved Target Mode. Instead I got a seriously crippled one - no industry standard inputs and only support for a tenth of a ‰ of the input devices on the market....
 
I *would* worry, for the following reasons:

  • There are *no* production TBolt devices available on the market - how can it be "heavily tested" if no off-the-shelf peripherals can be purchased?
  • TBolt is not like USB or 1394 (which use a port/class driver architecture) - TBolt is a PCIe bus extension, and TBolt devices require 3rd party PCIe drivers/kernel extensions to work.
    • "Port/class" architecture uses something that's somewhat like a "plug-in" model. The "port" driver controls the actual USB/1394 hardware port. The "class" driver is like a plug-in that adapts the port traffic to the device needs - like whether the device is a serial device, a storage device, or an HID.
  • "Apple OSX" and "3rd party device drivers" defines a place that is not a "happy place"
  • Not only are TBolt devices external PCIe devices, but they're daisy-chained and hot pluggable. Windows has lots of experience with hot-plugging PCIe cards, but it's a new concept for Apple OSX. Do you really think that issues won't arise from PCIe devices suddenly appearing and disappearing? Would you be comfortable yanking a PCIe card out of a running Mac Pro - because that's exactly what unplugging a TBolt cable does.
  • And, in case it didn't register, there has been *no* testing with off-the-shelf TBolt devices.

I think you're freaking out a little too much. Sure TB is new technology and there may be a bump or two in the road but lets give the engineers some credit. TB is not likely to be the scary disaster that you're fearing. A couple of years from now TB will be as normal as FW.
 
"Macworld has confirmation from Apple that the new iMacs will support Target Display Mode but only when the device they are connected to is also a Thunderbolt equipped Mac."

Is that true?

But hooking it up to 2 apple cinemas (24") is ok, right?
 
I thught was strange as well at first, but I believe that the comparison is between i5 1st gen vs 2nd gen and i7 1st gen vs 2nd gen.
Almost... From the footnote, the comparison for the first chart for the i5 model is a new (2011) 21.5" 2.7 GHz i5 iMac versus last year's 21.5" 3.2 GHz i3 iMac. The i7 chart is a new 27" 3.4 GHz i7 iMac versus last year's 27" 2.93 GHz i7 iMac.
 
Wow, over 160 posts, a glossy monitor on the new iMac, and we haven't had a matte vs. glossy fistfight yet.
 
I haven't used the magic trackpad, but at least 50% of my time with my MBP is spent at a desk with an external keyboard, mouse and monitor.

I like to use the trackpad on the laptop itself IN ADDITION to the mouse. For general pointing and moving about (and a bit of gaming) the mouse can't be beat. However, I like having gestures. It's the most natural way for me to use Exposé at this point.
 
A couple of years from now TBolt will be as normal as 1394.

Agreed. In a few years - after some software updates, firmware revisions, and motherboard replacements - I also expect TBolt to be a normal (although perhaps expensive) way to connect peripherals.

TBolt on the current Apples (laptops/all-in-ones) is an interesting thing if you don't need it. If you need it to work out-of-the-box - perhaps you should have a backup strategy in place.

Apple couldn't even release laptops that worked right with their current display lineup - (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1114280/) - and you expect a brand new bleeding edge hot-plug PCIe interconnect to work when it can't possibly have been tested with off-the-shelf peripherals? That's way too much Kool-Aid!
 
HD - I'd agree with you plus you void the warranty doing it yourself.

RAM - Disagree. Definitely worth the effort to do it yourself. OWC or Crucial for RAM. OWC has RAM rebate for sending in your old RAM. It takes 5 minutes.....

I was thinking of having to take off the screen and use the anti lint kit, it's a pain, but I just realized I mixed up the RAM its under by the speakers.... totally easy... oops.

But, $50 too to bad to just have it done.
 
I thught was strange as well at first, but I believe that the comparison is between i5 1st gen vs 2nd gen and i7 1st gen vs 2nd gen.

Is that what they were doing? Well it wasn't clear. They need to fix that it's too confusing. It appears they are saying the current i5 is faster then the current i7.:rolleyes:
 
No matte antiglare screens on the new iMacs. If you need matte screens, there's something you can do - add your voice to 1,300+ petitions at http://macmatte.wordpress.com Unlike personal emails to Apple - which Apple just ignore, asserting everyone loves glossy screens - make it count by adding to the online petition where your voice will remain visible on the net until Apple listens. Remember, adding your comment to transient news articles on the net is fine, but those articles go out of date in a few weeks, and also there is no long-term accumulation and consolidation of numbers, like there is at a petition site.
 
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