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I don't want to see the divisions go away, the best fall baseball is the close races for first and wild card chases. 2 15 team leagues seems like it would lose a lot of juice. I would not mind adding another wild card and have a play in series. Best of 3 or a one and done series.

I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to the Yankees and Red Sox dominating the AL East every year. The other teams in that division are almost out of the playoffs when the season begins. Eliminating divisions would put them on an equal footing with other AL teams.

I'm not convinced it's a good idea though. There is no reason to think that both teams will continue that dominance forever.
 
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to the Yankees and Red Sox dominating the AL East every year. The other teams in that division are almost out of the playoffs when the season begins. Eliminating divisions would put them on an equal footing with other AL teams.

I'm not convinced it's a good idea though. There is no reason to think that both teams will continue that dominance forever.

By adding another wild card slot it almost guarantees to have the Yankees and/or Red Sox in the playoffs. They are consistently having the best records in baseball/AL. They would have to be having pretty bad season( bad season for both teams) not to get in
 
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to the Yankees and Red Sox dominating the AL East every year. The other teams in that division are almost out of the playoffs when the season begins. Eliminating divisions would put them on an equal footing with other AL teams.

I'm not convinced it's a good idea though. There is no reason to think that both teams will continue that dominance forever.

Unless they decide to implement a salary cap, they will. They are the two biggest names, the two biggest markets, with the most money to spend.

By adding another wild card slot it almost guarantees to have the Yankees and/or Red Sox in the playoffs. They are consistently having the best records in baseball/AL. They would have to be having pretty bad season( bad season for both teams) not to get in

If they consistently have the best records, then they should be in the playoffs. This really has no effect on them, just gives the other teams a better shot to make it in.
 
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to the Yankees and Red Sox dominating the AL East every year. The other teams in that division are almost out of the playoffs when the season begins. Eliminating divisions would put them on an equal footing with other AL teams.

I'm not convinced it's a good idea though. There is no reason to think that both teams will continue that dominance forever.
It's not just the AL east, you have other big races that come down to the last week. Do we really want to get rid of that drama.
 
If they consistently have the best records, then they should be in the playoffs. This really has no effect on them, just gives the other teams a better shot to make it in.

Sure it does. Look at last year with your Red Sox. They didn't make it into the postseason, but if the extra wild card slot was enacted last year, they would have been in the postseason because they had the next best record in the AL after the Yankees.

Same situation in 2008. The Yankees would have made it into the playoffs if the extra wild card was there.
 
Sure it does. Look at last year with your Red Sox. They didn't make it into the postseason, but if the extra wild card slot was enacted last year, they would have been in the postseason because they had the next best record in the AL after the Yankees.
The wild card teams get to much of a free ride. Teams will give up the season knowing they can back in with the WC. Take the glamour out of it and force a playoff to get the spot or make them all road games. That will force teams to fight harder to win the division.
 
Unless they decide to implement a salary cap, they will. They are the two biggest names, the two biggest markets, with the most money to spend.

And having the most money to spend doesn't guarantee them in anything. Many of the teams with the highest payrolls haven't won a World Series in years or even decades. It takes both money and good management to make it happen. Fifteen years ago neither the Yankees or Red Sox were winning titles, but they were two of the wealthiest teams. It will eventually happen again.
 
And having the most money to spend doesn't guarantee them in anything. Many of the teams with the highest payrolls haven't won a World Series in years or even decades. It takes both money and good management to make it happen. Fifteen years ago neither the Yankees or Red Sox were winning titles, but they were two of the wealthiest teams. It will eventually happen again.
The Red Sox nor Yankees were as wealthy then as they are now. The Yankees didn't really start becoming huge until the late 90's, The Red Sox didn't turn it around until the new ownership.
 
The Red Sox nor Yankees were as wealthy then as they are now. The Yankees didn't really start becoming huge until the late 90's, The Red Sox didn't turn it around until the new ownership.

But they still had more money than other teams. Not very many things have to go wrong to turn a contender into a non-playoff team. The money advantage doesn't guarantee them anything. Spending twice as much as any other team didn't win the Yankees any World Series for ten years.
 
But they still had more money than other teams. Not very many things have to go wrong to turn a contender into a non-playoff team. The money advantage doesn't guarantee them anything. Spending twice as much as any other team didn't win the Yankees any World Series for ten years.
That was because George didn't know how to manage a team and just threw money at the problem. It wasn't until he gave up control that the team started winning.
 
That was because George didn't know how to manage a team and just threw money at the problem. It wasn't until he gave up control that the team started winning.

So now that George is dead, the Yankees will never make stupid decisions again?
 
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to the Yankees and Red Sox dominating the AL East every year. The other teams in that division are almost out of the playoffs when the season begins. Eliminating divisions would put them on an equal footing with other AL teams.

I'm not convinced it's a good idea though. There is no reason to think that both teams will continue that dominance forever.
Just rereading this how is a 15 team league giving the other teams an equal shot? Won't it make it harder having the Yankees and Red Sox on top of a 15 team league? They will take 2 playoff spots right off the top.

Lets say we get rid of division and just have the top 4 or five teams in the playoffs. Looking at the standings right now, Boston, New York, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Detroit. That already knocks out the west coast teams.
 
Of course they will, but a team only wins with good leadership.

So you're agreeing with me then? That money isn't enough to get the Yankees a playoff spot every year from now on? Because that's what I've been saying.


Just rereading this how is a 15 team league giving the other teams an equal shot? Won't it make it harder having the Yankees and Red Sox on top of a 15 team league? They will take 2 playoff spots right off the top.

Lets say we get rid of division and just have the top 4 or five teams in the playoffs. Looking at the standings right now, Boston, New York, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Detroit. That already knocks out the west coast teams.

The point behind creating a 15-team league with no divisions (which as I said earlier, I'm not sure is a good idea), is that it would eliminate the problem of strong or weak divisions. Toronto and Baltimore have had no chance at contending for the playoffs because they happen to be in the same division as Boston and the Yankees.

Just as an example, the Blue Jays are already eight games out of a playoff spot, despite being just under .500 and not a terrible team. The AL West has exactly one team over .500 in it. Toronto is out of the playoff race because they happen to be in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox, but Texas might just cruise to a division title with fewer than 90 wins. The Blue Jays have been grouped into a division based on geography and they're at a disadvantage compared to many other AL teams. This is fundamentally unfair. Such things happen almost every year, but the way that Boston and New York have dominated the AL East for the last 10 years or so has created a permanent oblivion for two AL teams.

The logic behind a no-division league is that the four or five teams with the best records would automatically get in. Nobody would sneak in by winning a weak division.

But as I said, even though the idea is interesting, I'm not sure it doesn't create as many problems as it solves, such as:

1) Instead of three or four possible playoff races per league, we would only have one. It would be a race for fourth or fifth place. It's unlikely that more than two or three teams would be on the bubble in the last couple weeks of the season. While this sometimes happens already -- with a couple teams running away with their respective divisions -- in the proposed method it would happen every year.

2) Either each team's schedule would have to become balanced, or the playoff race would have the same flaw that the wild-card race currently does: since some teams play in better or weaker divisions, some teams will have an easier time getting to a win threshold than others. If the schedule becomes balanced, you probably lose attendance and ratings. Most baseball fans care about the rivalries their teams have built over the decades.

3) As many have pointed out, a 15-team league would either require teams to have off days on weekends, or there would have to be interleague games going on every weekend. The latter is far more likely, but even that seems pretty cumbersome.
 
No matter what system baseball has the Yankees and Red Sox will always have the 2 best records, so the only way to give other teams a chance is to kick them out of the league. A sub 500 team leading the west still won't have a shot because a team with a better record would make the playoffs. In this regard keeping the division races is the only way to give teams a shot.
 
No matter what system baseball has the Yankees and Red Sox will always have the 2 best records, so the only way to give other teams a chance is to kick them out of the league. A sub 500 team leading the west still won't have a shot because a team with a better record would make the playoffs. In this regard keeping the division races is the only way to give teams a shot.

I give up.
 
Hey Zioxide
You ready for a WS preview;) Time for a little payback for round 2 dude:p:D
Peace
Otav89
 
Hey Zioxide
You ready for a WS preview;) Time for a little payback for round 2 dude:p:D
Peace
Otav89

Dude, you so wish :p. Phillies are gonna be the biggest letdown in history this year. Cant wait till they blow it in the first round after winning like 104 games hahaha :p

Brew crew needed the sweep this weekend over the twinkies. 3 games up now and should be able to pull away after the all star. Ill be at yankee stadium for the game tomorrow night tshirt night and i got tix "in the front row!". Bob Uecker
 
Wow, the Mariners still can't hit (outside of Ackley and Ichiro [who has been on fire since he got a day off a few weeks ago]), but our pitching is amazing.

Anyone see how the Marlins gave us the game last night, though? Wild pitch on an intentional walk let the go-ahead run come in to score :D
 
Hey Zioxide
You ready for a WS preview;) Time for a little payback for round 2 dude:p:D
Peace
Otav89

Should be a good one. it definitely could be a WS preview.. but you never know.

That said... I would have totally put up with an 0-162 sox year if we had to to win the Stanley Cup... luckily, we brought home the cup, and even after a **** weekend we are still within a half game of 1st place.
 
Dude, you so wish :p. Phillies are gonna be the biggest letdown in history this year. Cant wait till they blow it in the first round after winning like 104 games hahaha :p

Brew crew needed the sweep this weekend over the twinkies. 3 games up now and should be able to pull away after the all star. Ill be at yankee stadium for the game tomorrow night tshirt night and i got tix "in the front row!". Bob Uecker

Are you kidding me "The Brew Crew" :p Only if you bring Bob Uecker :p
 
This thread needs more "Jose Reyes is a Golden God" talk.

Single handedly carrying a team to .500 and he's not a power hitter.

Giving Ricky Henderson a run for his money much?
 
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