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The processor got a minor increase. But the video cards improved significantly, and the HDs got much more space.

HD improvement was small. Processor was small. Graphics wasn't that significant IMHO - 6490->6750 and 6750->6770. It does seem like the biggest difference in the entire "update" was the 6490-6750 (which was from low middle-class to high middle-class mobile gfx).

All models even have the exact same model number. That hasn't happened in years. Thus why some of us are calling it minor.
 
You beat me to it. :)

On the other hand.. can ya imagine if Apple just made another minor spec bump(2.2 is now 2.3 for the entry and 2.4 to 2.5 for the high end 15 for example, skipping IB all together), kept the overall design the same and just call it a day?

:eek:

HD improvement was small. Processor was small. Graphics wasn't that significant IMHO - 6490->6750 and 6750->6770. It does seem like the biggest difference in the entire "update" was the 6490-6750 (which was from low middle-class to high middle-class mobile gfx).

All models even have the exact same model number. That hasn't happened in years. Thus why some of us are calling it minor.
 
You beat me to it. :)

On the other hand.. can ya imagine if Apple just made another minor spec bump(2.2 is now 2.3 for the entry and 2.4 to 2.5 for the high end 15 for example, skipping IB all together), kept the overall design the same and just call it a day?

:eek:

Then that would be disappointing if its only a minor spec bump. The current unibody is fantastic, nothing wrong with it.
 
So, what does the "Pro" stand for now then?? How am I going to be fooled?

I think the MacBook and MacBook Air are quite sufficient for the average consumer market. Furthermore, I doubt Apple would be so shortsighted to totally forget a key audience by dumbing down the MacBook Pro.

I think we would all agree that 'professionals' are consumers too. :rolleyes:

The "Pro" tag doesnt stand for anything. It's just a name, and it's doesn't imply "professional" anymore.

Besides, you seem to believe that professionals are a key market for Apple... I doubt it. That used to be the case in the past, but not any more. Apple switched business model quite some years back to cater almost exclusively to consumers and not professionals.

Don't believe me? simply look at Apples's main corporate moves in the last few years:
  • The Mac Pro (the ONLY true "pro" Apple machine) has not been updated in almost 2 years already. Apple doesnt seem to allocate much developing resources to the Mac Pro.
  • iPads, iPods and iPhones (100% consumer devices) are Apple's biggest sellers by far. That's Apple's milking cow, and the one that receives most of the updates.
  • MBA and MBP 13" (consumer-orientated laptops), are Apple's best selling laptops. The MBP 17" (the most "pro" of them all) is their least selling one.
  • iOS has seen more updates as of lately than OSX.
  • App store and iTunes (Apple's 2 main platforms) are 100% focused on the consumer's end


I mean... now matter how you dice it and slice it, Apple's moves clearly indicates that their after the consumers market, not the professionals market. Therefore, it makes sense to believe that the "Pro" tag in MBPs will slowly but surely lose its "professional" connotation, and thus MBPs (regardless of the "pro" tag) will be designed with consumers in mind, not professionals.

Accept it man, there's much more "con" than "pro" in today's MBPs, and it will continue being like that.
 
The "Pro" tag doesnt stand for anything. It's just a name, and it's doesn't imply "professional" anymore.

Besides, you seem to believe that professionals are a key market for Apple... I doubt it. That used to be the case in the past, but not any more. Apple switched business model quite some years back to cater almost exclusively to consumers and not professionals.

Don't believe me? simply look at Apples's main corporate moves in the last few years:
  • The Mac Pro (the ONLY true "pro" Apple machine) has not been updated in almost 2 years already. Apple doesnt seem to allocate much developing resources to the Mac Pro.
  • iPads, iPods and iPhones (100% consumer devices) are Apple's biggest sellers by far. That's Apple's milking cow, and the one that receives most of the updates.
  • MBA and MBP 13" (consumer-orientated laptops), are Apple's best selling laptops. The MBP 17" (the most "pro" of them all) is their least selling one.
  • iOS has seen more updates as of lately than OSX.
  • App store and iTunes (Apple's 2 main platforms) are 100% focused on the consumer's end


I mean... now matter how you dice it and slice it, Apple's moves clearly indicates that their after the consumers market, not the professionals market. Therefore, it makes sense to believe that the "Pro" tag in MBPs will slowly but surely lose its "professional" connotation, and thus MBPs (regardless of the "pro" tag) will be designed with consumers in mind, not professionals.

Accept it man, there's much more "con" than "pro" in today's MBPs, and it will continue being like that.

While what you are saying makes sense, as I see it, Apple has two lines on their portable computers, theres Air and theres Pro. While Pro may not mean its for professionals, the two lines are clearly separated, the Air is for portability for the consumer on the go, whos needs are frequent, but of limited variety. The Pro on the other hand to says "performance" for those who simply desires more than the Air can offer.
I suppose you could compare it to a software, where the Pro represents the "pro" with more functions and capacity and Air represents the "light" with less functions but good and smooth for many of the more basic needs.

I hope to god they dont blend these models, its two great lines while they are separated. Mixed, it would be one decent line, where the decent judgement is due to the compromise a number of people would have to make to have a Macbook and run OSX natively.

But I agree, and I think it is clearly noticable with apples rising popularity, that Apple is more consumer oriented nowadays.
 
^ That is why im afraid of all these "air like" MBP rumors. If true Apple is one step away from merging both lines and calling it just MacBook.
 
Does any that is knowledagable about intergrated card know whether the HD 4000 can handle hq 720p and higher on youtube without lagging?
 
Because it's been years that Apple caters exclusively to consumers instead of professionals. The "Pro" label does not mean "professional" anymore.

Think about the latest Apple's major moves: iPads, iPhones, MBAs, Apple Store, iTunes, etc... they're ALL products created with consumers in mind, not professionals.

So, to sum it up: don't let the "pro" tag fool you. It's not a "professional-orientated" machine anymore. Now a days, both the MBA and the MBP are consumer-orientated machines.

Ok. So the MBA and MBP are both consumer oriented. I don't disagree with that.

Why does Apple need three consumer oriented laptops in a $300 price bracket?

I'm saying that the Pro could become a more premium consumer oriented laptop. As a matter of fact many computer manufacturers actually charge more for their powerful 'ultraportable' 12"-13" laptops than they do for similarly spec'ed 15" models. See the Vaio Z as an example. Not saying that they should make the 13" Pro just like the Vaio Z, but that they might target similar markets.
 
The "Pro" tag doesnt stand for anything. It's just a name, and it's doesn't imply "professional" anymore.

Besides, you seem to believe that professionals are a key market for Apple... I doubt it. That used to be the case in the past, but not any more. Apple switched business model quite some years back to cater almost exclusively to consumers and not professionals.

Don't believe me? simply look at Apples's main corporate moves in the last few years:
  • The Mac Pro (the ONLY true "pro" Apple machine) has not been updated in almost 2 years already. Apple doesnt seem to allocate much developing resources to the Mac Pro.
  • iPads, iPods and iPhones (100% consumer devices) are Apple's biggest sellers by far. That's Apple's milking cow, and the one that receives most of the updates.
  • MBA and MBP 13" (consumer-orientated laptops), are Apple's best selling laptops. The MBP 17" (the most "pro" of them all) is their least selling one.
  • iOS has seen more updates as of lately than OSX.
  • App store and iTunes (Apple's 2 main platforms) are 100% focused on the consumer's end


I mean... now matter how you dice it and slice it, Apple's moves clearly indicates that their after the consumers market, not the professionals market. Therefore, it makes sense to believe that the "Pro" tag in MBPs will slowly but surely lose its "professional" connotation, and thus MBPs (regardless of the "pro" tag) will be designed with consumers in mind, not professionals.

Accept it man, there's much more "con" than "pro" in today's MBPs, and it will continue being like that.
It seems odd to say that because their "consumer" products(which I think is silly in itself, all their products are and have always been consumer products. They put them out to be bought.) sell more, they don't care about the "pro" market(again, this is silly.). They call that a conclusive statement.
 
I think it's worth mentioning that the Back to School promo began June 16th last year. I'm sure that promotion will help boost sales from delaying the refresh.

Plus it's just another thing form them to announce in at WWDC (June 15th).
 
Ok. So the MBA and MBP are both consumer oriented. I don't disagree with that.

Why does Apple need three consumer oriented laptops in a $300 price bracket?

I'm saying that the Pro could become a more premium consumer oriented laptop. As a matter of fact many computer manufacturers actually charge more for their powerful 'ultraportable' 12"-13" laptops than they do for similarly spec'ed 15" models. See the Vaio Z as an example. Not saying that they should make the 13" Pro just like the Vaio Z, but that they might target similar markets.

I guess that this US$ 300 price bracket that you refer to is the US$ 999 - US$ 1,299 range which includes the 11" MBA (both versions), the 13" MBP (lower-end version) and the 13" MBA (lower end version).

Apple has to offer different products at this price range because most people may only afford to buy computers at these kind of prices.

A recent report featured in Mac Rumors (https://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/apple-predicted-to-discontinue-17-inch-macbook-pro/) put total sales of MacBooks at 3.1 million units.

According to Kuo's estimates for the first calendar quarter of 2012, Apple sold roughly 3.1 million notebooks, with nearly half of them being the 13-inch MacBook Pro, far and away the company's best-selling Mac product. But while Kuo predicts sales of nearly 1.5 million units of the 13-inch MacBook Pro, he sees much lower sales of roughly 500,000 15-inch models and only 50,000 17-inch models.

Kuo estimates Apple's first quarter MacBook Air sales at roughly 1.1 million, split nearly equally between 11-inch and 13-inch models. He believes that the MacBook Air is only meeting Apple's expectations and not exceeding them, in large part because solid-state drives are not yet available in large enough capacities to satisfy consumers. But the trend of abandoning optical and traditional hard disk drives from notebooks will continue, and solid-state drives will continue to become more cost competitive over time.

Of the 3.1 million MacBooks Apple sold, 2.6 million were estimated to be 11" MBAs, 13" MBAs and 13" MBPs. Apple offers six different versions of these laptops, and four of them are at this price range. I bet that these four cheaper versions sell much more than the two higher-priced ones. More expensive machines are a tough sale, even for Apple: it hasn't even managed to sell 600,000 15" and 17" MBPs.

But, even if the 1.5 million units of the 13" MPB and the 1.1 million units of the MBA were evenly split between all the versions (which they certainly don't, as the cheaper ones are probably the best-sellers), we would have sales of almost 1.6 million laptops at the price range of US$ 999 - US$ 1,299, which accounts to more than half of the total sales of MacBooks.

So Apple really needs laptops at this price range. Apple is a premium brand, and it needs its flagship models to show how mighty it is. It's marketing. But it also needs the cheaper models because everybody wants to be at Apple's party and just a few are able to afford the top-of-line Macs. The cheaper models drive sales. This is not a strategy of Apple: BMW and Mercedes-Benz, for instance, are known for their large luxury cars, but they sell lots of smaller-sized cars at more affordable prices because everybody wants a BMW or a Mercedes-Benz car as much as everybody wants an Apple product. It's how it works.

Said that, I think that the Sony Vaio Z is a great benchmark for Apple. The Vaio Z has a huge achievement for Sony, IMHO. It packs a powerful i5 or i7 standard-voltage processor with a 13" high resolution screen (1600x900 or 1920x1080), an SSD drive and a good battery in a package which is thinner and lighter than a MBA. It has everything a mobile computer should have: it is thin, light and portable, yet fast and powerful. It lacks an optical disk drive and a dedicated video card - both of which are in the separate Power Media Dock -, but that's a requirement for being thin and light. Still, I've read that the Vaio Z has some serious heating problems (but I know nobody that actually possesses one so I could check for myself).

But the Sony Vaio Z is a different beast. Sony has standard-sized 13" inch notebooks and it has also launched a 13" ultrabook. Both are priced lower than the Vaio Z, which a premium, top-of-the line, ultraportable not aimed at major audiences. Would Apple dare to go against the Vaio Z with the MBP? If it does, it will have to launch a higher-priced laptop (which would sell less) or to decrease its margins. Wouldn't it be too risky and bad for business?

One last note: we've taken 100 pages of this thread discussing a possible MBP redesign. People were eagerly waiting for a brand-new MPB in April, and it didn't come. Now people are waiting for the release of these laptops in June. Will they come? Instead of becoming more frequent, the rumors have just stopped. Perhaps we're just wasting our time here. Isn't it time to move on?
 
Question for you guys...

How long does the Back to School promotion usually last?

I'm at University in the UK, and hope on buying a MacBook Pro 15" before my second year starts in early October (although I am willing to buy a 13" if the screen resolution is bumped up enough, as that's pretty much the ONLY reason I want the 15"... the specs of the 13" would do me fine, and the portability would be another pro, but 1280x800 is just too small for me...).

This means that I'll probably be buying in early/mid September depending on if they've been updated yet. If they've just been updated in September I'll be right on it, if they haven't I might wait until October... but I don't want to wait too long and it not come, or miss the Back to School promo if an update doesn't happen.

TL;DR version: When does the Back to School promo end? Do you guys think the MBP will have been updated by mid-September?
 
One last note: we've taken 100 pages of this thread discussing a possible MBP redesign. People were eagerly waiting for a brand-new MPB in April, and it didn't come. Now people are waiting for the release of these laptops in June. Will they come? Instead of becoming more frequent, the rumors have just stopped. Perhaps we're just wasting our time here. Isn't it time to move on?

I want the new MBPs as much as the poster above or below me; perhaps even more, considering I'm struggling to manage with a laptop that begs for me not to open more than 5 Chrome tabs at once. But listen to skaertus, for he is a wise man and speaks the truth!:D
 
I guess that this US$ 300 price bracket that you refer to is the US$ 999 - US$ 1,299 range which includes the 11" MBA (both versions), the 13" MBP (lower-end version) and the 13" MBA (lower end version).

Apple has to offer different products at this price range because most people may only afford to buy computers at these kind of prices.

A recent report featured in Mac Rumors (https://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/apple-predicted-to-discontinue-17-inch-macbook-pro/) put total sales of MacBooks at 3.1 million units.



Of the 3.1 million MacBooks Apple sold, 2.6 million were estimated to be 11" MBAs, 13" MBAs and 13" MBPs. Apple offers six different versions of these laptops, and four of them are at this price range. I bet that these four cheaper versions sell much more than the two higher-priced ones. More expensive machines are a tough sale, even for Apple: it hasn't even managed to sell 600,000 15" and 17" MBPs.

But, even if the 1.5 million units of the 13" MPB and the 1.1 million units of the MBA were evenly split between all the versions (which they certainly don't, as the cheaper ones are probably the best-sellers), we would have sales of almost 1.6 million laptops at the price range of US$ 999 - US$ 1,299, which accounts to more than half of the total sales of MacBooks.

So Apple really needs laptops at this price range. Apple is a premium brand, and it needs its flagship models to show how mighty it is. It's marketing. But it also needs the cheaper models because everybody wants to be at Apple's party and just a few are able to afford the top-of-line Macs. The cheaper models drive sales. This is not a strategy of Apple: BMW and Mercedes-Benz, for instance, are known for their large luxury cars, but they sell lots of smaller-sized cars at more affordable prices because everybody wants a BMW or a Mercedes-Benz car as much as everybody wants an Apple product. It's how it works.

Said that, I think that the Sony Vaio Z is a great benchmark for Apple. The Vaio Z has a huge achievement for Sony, IMHO. It packs a powerful i5 or i7 standard-voltage processor with a 13" high resolution screen (1600x900 or 1920x1080), an SSD drive and a good battery in a package which is thinner and lighter than a MBA. It has everything a mobile computer should have: it is thin, light and portable, yet fast and powerful. It lacks an optical disk drive and a dedicated video card - both of which are in the separate Power Media Dock -, but that's a requirement for being thin and light. Still, I've read that the Vaio Z has some serious heating problems (but I know nobody that actually possesses one so I could check for myself).

But the Sony Vaio Z is a different beast. Sony has standard-sized 13" inch notebooks and it has also launched a 13" ultrabook. Both are priced lower than the Vaio Z, which a premium, top-of-the line, ultraportable not aimed at major audiences. Would Apple dare to go against the Vaio Z with the MBP? If it does, it will have to launch a higher-priced laptop (which would sell less) or to decrease its margins. Wouldn't it be too risky and bad for business?

One last note: we've taken 100 pages of this thread discussing a possible MBP redesign. People were eagerly waiting for a brand-new MPB in April, and it didn't come. Now people are waiting for the release of these laptops in June. Will they come? Instead of becoming more frequent, the rumors have just stopped. Perhaps we're just wasting our time here. Isn't it time to move on?

Totally agree with you and specially with your conclusion. It would be better for everyone if someone should post based on some real rumor (this includes me). It has been to much time with absolutelly no rumors to support such a large thread. We can even reach end of 2012 speaking about new MBP, MBA,iMac and nothing happens. Just my 2 cents.
 
im leaning more towards to just another silent spec bump for 2012 near june. right now, i just want to get my money worth for the possible spec bump 'only' rather then buying the late release of 2011 mbp. there is hardly any discount in australlia anyways :( so not waiting isn't even a option. i reckon the redesign can hold of for another year or so, nothing is wrong with the current unibody design
 
TL;DR version: When does the Back to School promo end? Do you guys think the MBP will have been updated by mid-September?

What is the back to school promo? Is it still an ipod?

Do not worry IMO it will be released by then...The only way i'll go for a 13" over a 15 is if its:

a. A quad-core
b. A 14" screen in the 13.3" footprint (like many manufacturers' are doing now)
c. If it get a discrete GPU (won't ever happen)

But i'm fairly certain that it will get a bump in resolution since the MBA is already beating it
 
Totally agree with you and specially with your conclusion. It would be better for everyone if someone should post based on some real rumor (this includes me). It has been to much time with absolutelly no rumors to support such a large thread. We can even reach end of 2012 speaking about new MBP, MBA,iMac and nothing happens. Just my 2 cents.

I'm sure that Apple will upgrade the MBA, the MBP and the iMac this year. And that's because Apple always upgrades its lines of computers (with the exception of the Mac Pro) at least once a year. But I agree that there are no rumors to support that a brand-new, redesigned, MBP is just around the corner. I still think that Apple is going to release a redesigned MBP this year, with support for retina displays. And that is because Sony, HP, Dell, Acer, Asus and everybody else will release at least 75 ultrabooks this very year (according to Intel), with the most different designs and specifications, and these companies are certainly planning to put HiDPI displays on some of them when Windows 8 comes up. And Apple has to keep competitite in this ever-changing world, it can't just stick to its 4-year old design. We just don't know when it will be. And perhaps, due to the lack of rumors so far, it's not going to be in June.
 
I'm sure that Apple will upgrade the MBA, the MBP and the iMac this year. And that's because Apple always upgrades its lines of computers (with the exception of the Mac Pro) at least once a year. But I agree that there are no rumors to support that a brand-new, redesigned, MBP is just around the corner. I still think that Apple is going to release a redesigned MBP this year, with support for retina displays. And that is because Sony, HP, Dell, Acer, Asus and everybody else will release at least 75 ultrabooks this very year (according to Intel), with the most different designs and specifications, and these companies are certainly planning to put HiDPI displays on some of them when Windows 8 comes up. And Apple has to keep competitite in this ever-changing world, it can't just stick to its 4-year old design. We just don't know when it will be. And perhaps, due to the lack of rumors so far, it's not going to be in June.

Agree. But my bet is that we will see something in September that can "knockout" competition and that could explain why is taking some more time (more testing time needed due to the inovations ).
 
I feel that there will be another upgrade in the specs "Ivy Bridge, Retina screen .." after all that time with these rumors and leaks. Now I read in PC advisor that the new Macbook Pro will not be as slim as MBA "good thing for me" but it will include allegedly HDD and SSD without Optical drive. "I still use the Optical drive and I fear that combo will make it pricey.

I will not hate it though but I hope they will not delay it because it is getting ridiculous

Now in Egypt it is noticeable that recently the prices of macbook pro are dropping rapidly after being the most expensive laptops in the market , the Apple authorized sellers told me that the current product cycle is coming to an end and that the new Macbook pro will available in Egypt after 20 days from its release in the States.
 
Agree. But my bet is that we will see something in September that can "knockout" competition and that could explain why is taking some more time (more testing time needed due to the inovations ).

As a high school senior itching to replace my four year old notebook which is falling apart and which I've opened up and taken apart numerous times to repair, I'd be very disappointed if Apple held a big release in September as I start school the third week of August and need to make a purchase before that in order to be sure that everything is working the way I want it to.
 
As a high school senior itching to replace my four year old notebook which is falling apart and which I've opened up and taken apart numerous times to repair, I'd be very disappointed if Apple held a big release in September as I start school the third week of August and need to make a purchase before that in order to be sure that everything is working the way I want it to.

I sold my MBP and ordered a 17'' (still waiting) . But I would also love that we could get some news this month;). But there are to much few rumors to support any news in June.
 
I just bought a Macbook Pro 15'. If the new macbook pro is introduced at the conference in June, when will it go on sale?

Also, will the prices for the CURRENT macbooks drop, and will they still be available for purchase if the new ones come??
 
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