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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign

I know this may get me down voted into the realms of fieriest Heck, but.. am I the only person who really doesn't like the look/feel of the MBA?

Storage asides (I like my portable to have me entire oversized music library on it) I just can't get with the form factor of it, it's a beautiful bit of engineering and I think it does what it does spectacularly, but I just.. I don't like it.

I like brutalist and constructivist architecture.
I like swiss typography and grid based design.
I like chunky flat edged unibody MBP's.

The air to me just lacks something, unfortunately with my budget my hope and dreams for a 13" MBP and 21.5" iMac may have to give way to a pair of 2011 13" MBP and 27" iMac refurbs!*

*poor me ;) haha
 
definitive said:
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apple has always been cutting corners when it came to their computers, and have hardly ever had best bang for the buck systems except when it came to air and white macbooks. the rest of their systems are sold for a at least a third less by their competition. look at the other manufacturers that are selling 13" and 14" laptops. there are tons of them that have dedicated graphics, yet apple is selling theirs with a 3000 intel "gpu."
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It may seem odd, but you can chalk up the 2008 Mac Pro to the list of legendary price/performance Apple systems.
 
How much can I expect the refurbished prices to go down once the new models come out? You can currently save around $200 on a refurbished 13", Air or Pro. Will that really go down even more when the new models come out? I'd love me some sub-thousand dollar Macbook.
 
If the 13" is going, is the 2011 model a good buy still?

I need a new macbook, so it's a choice, buy the 2011, buy an MBA 13" (hdd is to small), or gamble on a 2012 13".
 
tildesley said:
If the 13" is going, is the 2011 model a good buy still?

I need a new macbook, so it's a choice, buy the 2011, buy an MBA 13" (hdd is to small), or gamble on a 2012 13".
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No need to gamble. Just wait until Monday. If the new models don't give you what you want, pick up a discounted or refurbished 2011 model.
 
Stetrain said:
No need to gamble. Just wait until Monday. If the new models don't give you what you want, pick up a discounted or refurbished 2011 model.
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when you say discounted, is that instore or in the onstore? i'm in the UK if thats any help, and is the 13" 2011 any good?
 
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Eek, a $400 price increase? They would be drawing a much more stark distinction between the audience of their 13" and their 15" if the smaller were to stay at around current prices.
 
tildesley said:
when you say discounted, is that instore or in the onstore? i'm in the UK if thats any help, and is the 13" 2011 any good?
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The 13" 2011 is good if you want upgrade-able memory and hard drive. The 13" Air has a higher resolution screen and faster SSD storage.

The refurbished/clearance section of Apple's online store should have some good deals on 2011 models, and you can also check out third party resellers like MacMall and Amazon.

There might be a chance you could get a discounted model in an Apple retail store, but I don't have much experience with that.
 
iamdavekennedy said:
I know this may get me down voted into the realms of fieriest Heck, but.. am I the only person who really doesn't like the look/feel of the MBA?

Storage asides (I like my portable to have me entire oversized music library on it) I just can't get with the form factor of it, it's a beautiful bit of engineering and I think it does what it does spectacularly, but I just.. I don't like it.

I like brutalist and constructivist architecture.
I like swiss typography and grid based design.
I like chunky flat edged unibody MBP's.

The air to me just lacks something, unfortunately with my budget my hope and dreams for a 13" MBP and 21.5" iMac may have to give way to a pair of 2011 13" MBP and 27" iMac refurbs!*

*poor me ;) haha
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I definitely prefer the design of the mbp, its more like the iPhone 4/4s while the air is more like the 3gs. Though the extra portability is more important for me than looks.
 
Stetrain said:
Explain please? What exactly keeps the Air from replacing the 13" Pro for most users? Other than the "Pro" name?

If the 13" Macbook Pro got the same treatment as the rumored 15" redesign, it would have no DVD drive, no Firewire, and no Ethernet. The only difference between a redesigned 13" Pro and an updated 13" Air would be a bit of processor speed and user upgradeable RAM.

Comparing current models, the Air has a higher resolution screen than the Pro as well, and would be faster in every-day tasks for most people because of the standard SSD.
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one word: expandability. You can choose whatever components you want to upgrade it with so you are not obliged to pay for heavily overpriced Apple parts like with the MBA. Apple SSDs are slow and cost twice the price of a better aftermarket part.
Also, if the new Macbooks won't have the ODD, the free space might be filled with a larger battery and maybe, *maybe* a decent video card. Also, tell me, how do you stuff 16 gigs of RAM into the MBA. Finally, I doubt the new 13" Pro will stick with the crappy 1280x800 display, more likely it will get 1440x900.

Like it or not, MacBook Air can't replace the MacBook Pro.
 
MarkLyons said:
How much can I expect the refurbished prices to go down once the new models come out? You can currently save around $200 on a refurbished 13", Air or Pro. Will that really go down even more when the new models come out? I'd love me some sub-thousand dollar Macbook.
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If you really want, you can search Craigslist and find incredible bargains for MBPs even still under Apple Care if your looking to save some money.
 
Colpeas said:
I wish you were right. I disagree only with cheaper models getting only 1333MHz RAM. 1600MHz RAM isn't any more expensive than 1333Mhz.


No way Apple would discontinue their best-selling model. no way.
It's like you'd said that BMW will discontinue the 3 series sedan and drop the price of the 3 series coupé to fill its place. Bollocks.
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Stetrain said:
We'll see on Monday. There isn't a model in the price list, either from Macrumors or 9to5Mac, that corresponds with a 13" MBP.

I think that if it were discontinued as a consumer product and replaced with a 13" Air for the same price, that the 13" Air would instantly take its place as the best selling model.

For most consumers, the 13" Air will be faster in every day use than the 13" MBP.
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I made these predictions back in January, I now think that they will all get 1600MHz RAM
 
samac92 said:
I definitely prefer the design of the mbp, its more like the iPhone 4/4s while the air is more like the 3gs. Though the extra portability is more important for me than looks.
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See I've never really had trouble finding room for, or carrying around a 15" 2009 MBP, so a 13" definitely wouldn't be much of a challenge, but I guess this is like when I used to race downhill, I preferred a heavy and substantial bike, and found it confusing how much cross country folk I new were obsessed over a few lbs here and there!
 
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iamdavekennedy said:
samac92 said:
I definitely prefer the design of the mbp, its more like the iPhone 4/4s while the air is more like the 3gs. Though the extra portability is more important for me than looks.
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See I've never really had trouble finding room for, or carrying around a 15" 2009 MBP, so a 13" definitely wouldn't be much of a challenge, but I guess this is like when I used to race downhill, I preferred a heavy and substantial bike, and found it confusing how much cross country folk I new were obsessed over a few lbs here and there!
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I only notice a weight difference on the uphill, which I don't do as much anyway. I'd much rather push uphill and fly down. ;)
 
MarkLyons said:
How much can I expect the refurbished prices to go down once the new models come out? You can currently save around $200 on a refurbished 13", Air or Pro. Will that really go down even more when the new models come out? I'd love me some sub-thousand dollar Macbook.
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Older models will lose somewhere between $50-$100. Basically, over the last couple refreshes, the refurbs are about 10% cheaper for one version older, and 15% for two versions. I noticed that on some models, versions two and three older actually have the same price.
 
Exio said:
I really don't understand all this fuss about retina displays for laptops. Seems like a waste of processing and battery power to me. It's one thing for a small screen like an iphone, but for a massive laptop screen that's totally different especially for those of us who like to run graphics intensive apps and games.
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Could someone please expand on this? Not extremely tech-savvy when it comes to hardware, so I wouldn't be able to guess how big of an impact a retina screen would have on factors such as battery life and GPU efficiency, but I would love to know. Retina isn't a real must for me, so if it can have a negative impact (and is a BTO option) then I most likely won't be getting it.
Thanks!
 
GNSquacker said:
Why couldn't on board SSD storage with another type of big drive work? Couldn't Apple configure the iterations of Lion to treat is all as one storage option??
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Sure they could. Other PC manufacturers already use this hybrid setup - for example - some of the new Vaio ultrabooks have onboard 32GB SSD for system only, plus regular hard drive for data storage...

Blu-Ray said:
Prepare to be VERY disappointed.
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Then shame on Apple. 1280x800 on a $1100 laptop in 2012 is an outrage.
 
Colpeas said:
Sure they could. Other PC manufacturers already use this hybrid setup - for example - some of the new Vaio ultrabooks have onboard 32GB SSD for system only, plus regular hard drive for data storage...



Then shame on Apple. 1280x800 on a $1100 laptop in 2012 is an outrage.
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IF, and that is a big IF, but IF Apple do decide to have 'Retina' screens as a BTO, what better way to make people desire it and opt for the $100 (general presumption) upgrade than by putting an underwhelming display in by standard?

Not that a company, keen to make money, would ever, ever make that decision of course :rolleyes:


[edit; forgot the word upgrade]
 
Colpeas said:
Sure they could. Other PC manufacturers already use this hybrid setup - for example - some of the new Vaio ultrabooks have onboard 32GB SSD for system only, plus regular hard drive for data storage...



Then shame on Apple. 1280x800 on a $1100 laptop in 2012 is an outrage.
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First-world problems... :rolleyes:
 
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