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So when 2x16GB sticks are out there; I could upgrade my MBP to 32GB RAM, put 2x512GB in my MBP and it will have more RAM/SSD than the retina Macbook Pro.

Thoughts?

What am I missing here?
 
Has the battery indicator been zapped on these?

yep and the IR sensor is gone.

a small thing I noticed is the words "MacBook Pro" below the screen are gone (probably been mentioned a number of times.) Which probably explains why they now write it on the bottom of the machine.
 
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html

Since most of their results are done with resolutions of 1366x768 (1/5 the number of pixels) - divide the results by five and you'll get an idea of the graphics performance at native resolution.



That's not how it works. You can't just divide the pixel count and expect the performance to do the same, it is graded on a non linear scale. So when the pixel count goes up the performance will drop exponentially, not evenly.
 
I think I have to out myself as part of the crush group. Since I need a new macbook, the decision is tough. I would love to have a brand new, top of the line laptop. but the sensible choice would benthe standart 15" modell. The realization makes me kind of sad....
 
On my old 13" late 2011 when I go into MacTracker and go on "This mac" it says Early 2011 and late 2011" and both models have the same model identifier.

Strange
 
That's not how it works. You can't just divide the pixel count and expect the performance to do the same, it is graded on a non linear scale. So when the pixel count goes up the performance will drop exponentially, not evenly.

You're right because other things factor in besides the graphics card. Many things end up being CPU limited, limited by the amount of RAM, etc... It's only when you are GPU limited and all the other specs are sufficient that the drop is relatively linear. As it really is a number game at that point -- X number of pixels require Y number of shaders running at Z speed to produce a given frame rate assuming you have T (sufficient video RAM).

Regardless -- in the case of this notebook and what I was referring to, I foresee largely a linear drop as the main bottleneck will likely be the graphics card.

..and if performance is going to drop exponentially as you say; that only makes the case for having a 2880x1800 resolution on this notebook even worse...
 
Out of curiosity to the people currently running SSDs, have you had to replace it yet? I was under the impression they deteriorate a lot faster than ordinary hard drives. I've always dismissed having them in the past because of this as I'm a very heavy user.
 
Yes, incognito doesn't store your data so that's why.

How did you manage to get to that page anyway?

I know it's not going to do my reputation any good, but another user on the Chans posted the link saying it was a leaked product. I entered it thinking it was a joke and it led to a half-developed page. That's why I refreshed it - as I thought it hadn't loaded properly. I now see it's more likely that it wasn't meant to exist yet.
 
Out of curiosity to the people currently running SSDs, have you had to replace it yet? I was under the impression they deteriorate a lot faster than ordinary hard drives. I've always dismissed having them in the past because of this as I'm a very heavy user.

They're probably using 25nm or 20nm NAND memory, which are rated for 3000-5000 write cycles.

How many GB of information are you writing to your drive everyday, on average?

Even if you were writing 7GB every day, you'd get over 20 years out of it. This is just a ballpark figure though, because I don't think it's known what SSD controller this will be using. Despite that, you'd have to be essentially using this thing as a high-trafffic server to have any worries of expending the write cycles. Even if you did manage to use them all, they would be readable for 10 years before it loses its charge the NAND cells.

TL;DR: you don't need to worry about these deteriorating.

However, keep in mind that no storage solution is perfect, and it's always good to back your stuff up.

Here's some (long) reads about SSDs and how they work:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738
http://arstechnica.com/information-...revolution-how-solid-state-disks-really-work/
 
***As a disclaimer to this -- I run Windows 7 exclusively on my Macbook Pro and would do the same if I purchased a brand new one.

In my mind - unless you have a specific need for OSX - the new Asus Zenbook lineup blows away the 13" Macbook Pros (and Airs) and I'd look there for the needs you've just described... As much time as I've spent railing against the negative consequences of the 2880x1800 "retina" panel, I also think the 1280x800 in the 13" Macbook Pro is in dire need of an upgrade...

Screen resolution vs graphics power really is a bit like the story of Goldilocks and Apple missed the mark.

(I prefer non-glossy but that's more personal preference thing and since I've never ran Logic I wouldn't be able to give you any better info than you could find with Google)

Thanks, it's unfortunate that Asus don't adopt the approach Apple do when releasing their new hardware. After looking on the Zenbook website and taking a interest in the Zenbook Prime UX32, I find out that it's still not even released yet!

Out of interest, why do you choose Windows 7 rather than keep the OS that's on the MBP?
 
Anybody know the build number of the OS? I guess it's 10.7.4, but can't find the exact build number.
 
They're probably using 25nm or 20nm NAND memory, which are rated for 3000-5000 write cycles.

How many GB of information are you writing to your drive everyday, on average?

Even if you were writing 7GB every day, you'd get over 20 years out of it. This is just a ballpark figure though, because I don't think it's known what SSD controller this will be using. Despite that, you'd have to be essentially using this thing as a high-trafffic server to have any worries of expending the write cycles. Even if you did manage to use them all, they would be readable for 10 years before it loses its charge the NAND cells.

TL;DR: you don't need to worry about these deteriorating.

However, keep in mind that no storage solution is perfect, and it's always good to back your stuff up.

Here's some (long) reads about SSDs and how they work:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738
http://arstechnica.com/information-...revolution-how-solid-state-disks-really-work/

Excellent response. Thanks for that, mate :D
 
As I am a student, I use my laptop primarily for word processing, internet, etc. I plan on purchasing the base RMBP sometime this week, but I was wondering what I should do with regards to RAM, given that I will be stuck with the amount of memory I choose now for the rest of the time I own this computer. I plan on keeping this RMBP for ~4 years (that's about how long my current white MB has lasted)...in terms of future-proofing, should I opt for the 16gb of ram, or will 8gb be enough even 4 years from now?
 
Yes, incognito doesn't store your data so that's why.

How did you manage to get to that page anyway?

I know it's not going to do my reputation any good, but another user on the Chans posted the link saying it was a leaked product. I entered it thinking it was a joke and it led to a half-developed page. That's why I refreshed it - as I thought it hadn't loaded properly. I now see it's more likely that it wasn't meant to exist yet.
 
I think next upgrade they will include the wifi AC standard ... many routers are out with AC

More info on wifi ac http://www.5gwifi.org/

There are twice as many spatial streams available in 802.11ac as there are in 802.11n. With eight spatial streams—each capable of a theoretical 433Mbps—802.11ac devices that use eight antennas can reach speeds up to nearly 7Gbps.

Considering that A) 802.11ac is technically still a draft standard, B) there's not a lot of devices out there which support it yet, and C) most current devices supporting 802.11n don't even come close to maxing out it's maximum bandwidth, I wouldn't be at in the least bit surprised if Apple takes another year or two to start including it in new computers, even as a BTO option. I think the earliest we might see it built into any computer would be early next year, and much more likely to be next summer.

Yes, it will be pretty cool when that happens, but the switchover is going to require a lot of redesign work - not just in the adapter and chipset, but also in antenna design. Don't expect it to happen overnight.
 
Thanks, it's unfortunate that Asus don't adopt the approach Apple do when releasing their new hardware. After looking on the Zenbook website and taking a interest in the Zenbook Prime UX32, I find out that it's still not even released yet!

Out of interest, why do you choose Windows 7 rather than keep the OS that's on the MBP?

Ya; Apple definitely gets a gold star for how they release their products :D

I'm not sure really sure why I use Windows anymore -- just personal preference I guess...

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As I am a student, I use my laptop primarily for word processing, internet, etc. I plan on purchasing the base RMBP sometime this week, but I was wondering what I should do with regards to RAM, given that I will be stuck with the amount of memory I choose now for the rest of the time I own this computer. I plan on keeping this RMBP for ~4 years (that's about how long my current white MB has lasted)...in terms of future-proofing, should I opt for the 16gb of ram, or will 8gb be enough even 4 years from now?

For what you're claiming to use it for -- 8gb will be definitely be fine the entire time you own it....By the time you need more than 8gb, the other aspects of the hardware will be holding you back anyways...
 
I'm looking at getting the 15" Macbook Pro (non retina) and wondered about the higher res displays you can upgrade to. Is the £75 extra worth it? Also what are the downsides of getting the anti glare over the glossy?

The higher res display has about 25% more pixels than the base display. IMHO, with the 17" no longer available, it's perfect for me -- I could definitely use more screen real estate. (And since I need the ODD and the Ethernet and even sometimes the Firewire, the Retina MBP isn't an option.)

I've got no real opinion on the anti-glare vs glossy. My current MBP is glossy, but I know a number of people who have the anti-glare, and the only time I think I'd prefer the anti-glare is if I'm working in a bright sunny area where my reflection can sometimes wash out my screeen. The glossy looks clearer to me the rest of the time, but that's my subjective opinion. The anti-glare seems to pick up smudges easier if you're the sort who touches the screen...
 
Any music producers reading this thread? I'm really struggling deciding on which spec to trim-level to get.

I'm curious what you guys think about with regards to the difference between the two trim levels.

Is it worth another $600 to go from the 2.3Ghz i7 to the 2.6Ghz i7 and to double the size of the SSD to 512GB? Will the performance difference between those two be noticeable when using a processor-intensive VST like U-he Diva? I suppose you could always upgrade the SSD in the lower-tier model later. Is it worth upgrading the RAM from 8GB to 16GB? Perhaps only if you use numerous instances of massive sample-based instruments like Kontakt/Omni/Trillian?

Assuming that the performance difference between the two processors is negligible, I'm thinking about getting the bottom spec MBP. Then maybe in a few years when SSD prices drop, upgrading the SSD to something bigger.

Argh...decisions. It's too bad the PC alternatives are sooo far behind, especially with regards to build quality/design. I speced out an HP envy similar to the top-level MBP and it was around a $1000 cheaper. I think OSX + Retina is worth close to that...I was expecting the Envy to be cheaper. I like some of the new Asus' and the Samsung Series 9, but they are still way behind the MBP with regards to build quality and design.
 
I know it's not going to do my reputation any good, but another user on the Chans posted the link saying it was a leaked product. I entered it thinking it was a joke and it led to a half-developed page. That's why I refreshed it - as I thought it hadn't loaded properly. I now see it's more likely that it wasn't meant to exist yet.

Are you serious about this? lol..
 
Student Discount

Does Apple check up on this at all? I just graduated so I'm not a student anymore. Does it matter if I select my old university or put home school if they do not check up?

Just trying to save some $$$. Thanks in advance
 
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