I just assumed someone that installed an SSD and purchased a top-of-the-line display for their current Macbook Pro might be interested in a new Macbook Pro that comes standard with an SSD and hi-res display. My apologies. You clearly have some very specific needs.
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I just assumed someone that installed an SSD and purchased a top-of-the-line display for their current Macbook Pro might be interested in a new Macbook Pro that comes standard with an SSD and hi-res display. My apologies. You clearly have some very specific needs.
No need for apologies. 2880 x 1800 is really,really to much for 15". And i don't play games on MBP. And i like idea i can change SSD on my own instead i'm stuck with all integrated components onboard. On new MPBR is even batery glued with casing,and u can't change it.
Same graphics card. Hope it doesn't make the non-retina MBP too hot.
If the new display doesn't work well in these scaled modes (for example it's blurry or laggy), users will get less real estate than a hi res MBP. With the current trend for bloated UI by apple, that could be crippling, even if video, photos and text looks nice. Sure, if the two actual hi res options (1440+) work well and don't cane the GPU / battery, yes it will be great.
Still pretty big and heavy, but yes the thinness is nice. I'd have liked a smaller bezel but then it would have been a fatty.
Resale value? I guess that's to do with usability. My top of the range 2008 MBP was beginning to creek a bit a year ago; RAM & Optibay HDD/SSD upgrade and it was like a new machine. if there's no way to upgrade these things and repairs are expensive, it's hard to see how they will hold their value. 16 GB / 512 GB will surely be standard or old hat in laptops pretty soon. Of course, if retina becomes the norm and scales well then 1680x1000 might be unsellable.
Retina Display concerns
Had a chance to get my hands on the new Retina MBP at my local Apple Store, great machine. Only concern is that HD movies look like they're standard definition or worse on this screen. I played around with YouTube and iTunes Movie previews and HD content looked blurry. I played with the screen layouts and tried a few different ones, and I'm not sure the "Best for Retina" default option was best for viewing movies on this.
I actually ordered mine this morning but now I don't know if I'll really be able to use it to enjoy movies. Don't feel like shelling out for an Apple TV to get airplay but the HDMI port should be able to put any content I want onto an HDTV so I guess I need to buy a long HDMI cable
Third party programs also looked very dated because their icons haven't been upgraded, tried looking at some DNA sequences and the data looked great it's just the icons looked terrible. Can't wait to do some molecular modeling on this thing, it's going to be unreal.
Had a chance to get my hands on the new Retina MBP at my local Apple Store, great machine. Only concern is that HD movies look like they're standard definition or worse on this screen. I played around with YouTube and iTunes Movie previews and HD content looked blurry. I played with the screen layouts and tried a few different ones, and I'm not sure the "Best for Retina" default option was best for viewing movies on this.
I actually ordered mine this morning but now I don't know if I'll really be able to use it to enjoy movies. Don't feel like shelling out for an Apple TV to get airplay but the HDMI port should be able to put any content I want onto an HDTV so I guess I need to buy a long HDMI cable
Third party programs also looked very dated because their icons haven't been upgraded, tried looking at some DNA sequences and the data looked great it's just the icons looked terrible. Can't wait to do some molecular modeling on this thing, it's going to be unreal.
Just checked again, seem to have misread that, and Mac OS does the same as iOS... Sorry for the noise.
I wonder if this is a context thing? I remember the first time I watched the 'Cars' blu-ray version on my tv, it made the DVD version look embarrassingly bad at 1080p. Maybe those movies and movie previews, which aren't pixel-perfect anyways because of compression artifacts, look bad now compared to the razor-sharp text and UI surrounding them?
It's funny to read the review and the press for this laptop. The review claims that it has a 'unibody chassis', but it's quite clear from the photos that it's still just stamped metal.
You're right, but according to reviews chassis it is even more rigid than in MBA. Finish is superb, LCD panel is matte PLS. Generated noise is on the same level with MBA in IDLE and even better under LOAD.
Anyway I did not include these photos to proof that these laptops are better than Macs. Apple design is an excellent and finish is always extremely good. This was just to show that it is possible to include DIMM & SSD sockets into thin chassis with irregular shapes which is a real advantage.
MBP Retina is cool device, but from customer (less problems) and economical point of view (price) it is better to see matte IPS LCD panels with the same resolutions.
Do we really need Retina displays? I am a realist. I do not expect so much, because everyone knows that this is still expensive technology. According to sources - BOM cost for Retina is between 150-200$, where classic TN+Film LCD is around 50$ and IPS FullHD panel is between 70$-100$.
I always prefer 1440x900 on my Mac - no eyestrain. It is perfect resolution to work (I am an engineer), to surf over internet and for gaming is also good compromise between quality and performance (sometimes even to high to get a good framerate).
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Anyone know the transfer speed limits for the SD slot? Will it be off the USB 3.0 speeds? Older MBP was limited to USB 2.0 speeds. I wanted to know f I am able to get a high transfer speed SD card as an alternative to increasing the HD drive size.
The card slot is SDXC compatible meaning that if you have an SDXC card that can keep up (Up to 2tb!!!!!) you can hit a maximum theoretical transfer of 300MB/sec and a minimum of 104MB/sec
http://www.photographybay.com/2010/01/12/sdxc-cards-what-the-new-format-means-to-photographers/
USB 3.0 is around 400MB/sec maximum.
The price of 512 GB SSD should come down faster especially if these is a successful adoption of the "all SSD" RMBP. I hope it would. I like to carry all my media in one place and 1 TB should be sufficient without having to lug around extra Western Digital or Seagate boxes. Hate the spinning beach ball of HDD. But the price of SSD needs to come down fast.
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RE: fast USB 3.0
It's great if it is a flash based drive you have hooked up to the USB3. If it is a spinning drive, you are limited by HDD
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RE: fast USB 3.0
It's great if it is a flash based drive you have hooked up to the USB3. If it is a spinning drive, you are limited by HDD
That would def make me think twice as I do a lot of traveling, and therefore lot's of movie watching on flights lol, and a lot of video media in general.
MagSafe 2 = Planned Obsolescence
Why change the MagSafe Connector in the first place?
The "MagSafe 2" is a _prime_ example of Apple simply changing things (yet again) for no need whatsoever. The 1st generation MagSafe is _exactly_ the same height of a normal USB port, and Apple has included several USB ports on their new machines (right next to the power supply), so why do we need a "thinner and longer" power connector anyhow?
All this will do is make your previously-purchased power connectors incompatible (without using the new $10. adapter). Remember: the MAIN DRAWBACK in the first place is when it's tugged just a bit too hard it comes undone! Same thing when accidentally pressed against your legs! Now add an extra 1/2" adapter onto the setup and I'll bet it comes undone more often than it stays put! I ask you: "Why?"
Why has the form factor been changed at all? Standard USB is _exactly_ the same height as the existing MagSafe, and they didn't change those (to mini or micro) so it can't be an issue of "height"...
This is yet another example of Apple changing things simply to make their products incompatible with older generations. It's called "planned obsolescence", and was pioneered by the auto industry. I own at least six power adapters, and now they're all useless without a $10. adapter? WHY? Also add non-upgradeable memory (and internal storage), and you have the least-upgradeable MBP Apple has ever made in it's entire history!
I have a 2008 MBP that has ALL necessary connections built right into the machine itself (with no adapters necessary): MagSafe, Ethernet (a _must have_), dual USB 2's, FW800, FW400, full-size DVI, discreet headphone & microphone input (both optically compatible), plus a PCI card slot that I use as a multi-card slot (which for $20. reads SD, MemoryStick, and more), PLUS an 18x SuperDrive. Similar battery life and a REAL (not chicklet) backlit keyboard round out what I personally would call a _real road warrior_!!! No adapters necessary (even though Apple included DVI to VGA for free)...
What more could you _possibly_ ask for in a portable? This latest MBP is _not_ an "upgrade", it's a regression. This is only a way for Apple to suck more money out of your pockets. If only Steve were still alive today, he'd probably be rolling over about right now... All of this has happened over just the past 4 years? "25% thinner and a faster processor with very few ports"-- Are you kidding me? This is a radical "improvement" that somehow makes up for everything else we've lost in the transition?
Call me "Old-School", but I want my "Swiss Army Knife" of an Apple MBP back!!!
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Why change the MagSafe Connector in the first place?
The "MagSafe 2" is a _prime_ example of Apple simply changing things (yet again) for no need whatsoever. The 1st generation MagSafe is _exactly_ the same height of a normal USB port, and Apple has included several USB ports on their new machines (right next to the power supply), so why do we need a "thinner and longer" power connector anyhow?
All this will do is make your previously-purchased power connectors incompatible (without using the new $10. adapter). Remember: the MAIN DRAWBACK in the first place is when it's tugged just a bit too hard it comes undone! Same thing when accidentally pressed against your legs! Now add an extra 1/2" adapter onto the setup and I'll bet it comes undone more often than it stays put! I ask you: "Why?"
Why has the form factor been changed at all? Standard USB is _exactly_ the same height as the existing MagSafe, and they didn't change those (to mini or micro) so it can't be an issue of "height"...
This is yet another example of Apple changing things simply to make their products incompatible with older generations. It's called "planned obsolescence", and was pioneered by the auto industry. I own at least six power adapters, and now they're all useless without a $10. adapter? WHY? Also add non-upgradeable memory (and internal storage), and you have the least-upgradeable MBP Apple has ever made in it's entire history!
I have a 2008 MBP that has ALL necessary connections built right into the machine itself (with no adapters necessary): MagSafe, Ethernet (a _must have_), dual USB 2's, FW800, FW400, full-size DVI, discreet headphone & microphone input (both optically compatible), plus a PCI card slot that I use as a multi-card slot (which for $20. reads SD, MemoryStick, and more), PLUS an 18x SuperDrive. Similar battery life and a REAL (not chicklet) backlit keyboard round out what I personally would call a _real road warrior_!!! No adapters necessary (even though Apple included DVI to VGA for free)...
What more could you _possibly_ ask for in a portable? This latest MBP is _not_ an "upgrade", it's a regression. This is only a way for Apple to suck more money out of your pockets. If only Steve were still alive today, he'd probably be rolling over about right now... All of this has happened over just the past 4 years? "25% thinner and a faster processor with very few ports"-- Are you kidding me? This is a radical "improvement" that somehow makes up for everything else we've lost in the transition?
Call me "Old-School", but I want my "Swiss Army Knife" of an Apple MBP back!!!
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Make love, not war....
yeah given that usually those are rated at 30mb/s or 45mb/s I dont see it as a fast alternative, but as a portable one.
It probably has to do with strength. Yes the USB ports fit on the Retina MBP, but they have very little 'meat' above and below them. I feel like the magsafe port needs a bit more structure around it to hold up to the repeated clicking of the magnets.
To further this, notice that they actually added more structural contact area to the left and right side of the new magsafe adapter, instead of keeping the same general proportions but smaller.
Why do you want it back? As far as I know it hasn't gone anywhere yet.
Well, $2,199- is not going to be enough. Americans left on the sidewalk have recieved a free tent from other Americans. Perhaps you could panhandle ten dollars in front of an Apple store? Just explain your problem. Perhaps another Apple customer will help you.
can somebody going to a store to check out the new macbooks, or calling apple ask/see what the if the sata connections are sata2 or sata3. This is for the non retina macbook pro. if you go to the store you can find it by going to the apple icon-about this mac-more info-system report-serial-ata.
i would appreciate it. someone has had to find out by now.
i would appreciate it. someone has had to find out by now.
They are Sata 3 6gbit/s. With reads and writes at around 450mb/s it must be. I can't find the thread that I read it in though.
You're right. As engineer I also met with planned obsolescence. MBP 2008 is still great machine with great matte display. The only thing I could wish is USB 3.0.
Anyway let's try to logically describe MagSafe2 changes. According to the picture where New MagSafe2 T-shape connector on the left and old MagSafe L-shape connector on the right:
Apple made the metal housing (magnets???) larger on the left and right side of the MagSafe2 power connector to keep new larger connector with better strength or maybe with the same strength since plug is larger.
It seems that they also skip or rather change contact pins plating in MagSafe2 socket (gold plating sligthly reduce resistance of the connection):
Apple engineers made all pins the same size (larger contact area = less resistance) with EQUAL distance/spacing which was not possible in old MagSafe T-shape and L-shape connector design.
Old MagSafe socket:
Currently middle pin 3 which was responsible for charge control in previous MagSafe generations looks the same like other pins with ground and voltage pins:
This small change leads naturally to incompatilibity between new MagSafe2 and old MagSafe adaptors with T and L-shape connectors. Possibly that's why new plug is wider plus now they have more space for larger electronic parts in MagSafe2 plug which is also advantage. Here is a picture of old MagSafe adapter disassembled. I do not have right electronic diagram but we can observe some SMD components: LED, resistor and some 6-pin IC:
From electronics and mechanical engineering (assumption: all ball contacts in Magsafe2 connector are pushed with the same force into the socket) point of view it seems that it is small improvement to get a better reliability and minimize failures which is good move. It is also easier to manufacture larger pins with equal size. Possibly customers and/or Apple noticed some problems with charging when plug was connected properly. I remember that it happened few times in my MBP and I must to reconnect plug to get right information about charging - LED indicator.
Now the question is why the hell Apple made middle pin3 smaller in the past? Answer is quite simple: they wanted to make MagSafe connector small as possible with nice design (personally I must admit that old T-shape and L-shape looks better) and what is more important middle pin 3 do not supply high current as opposite voltage pins so it can be smaller.
Unfortunately I do not have informations about pinning layout changes and power supply voltages in new MagSafe2 power adaptor.
To summarize MagSafe2 change is unification and simplifaction of current design. There is a some chance that we skip problems with proper information about charging (LED indicator). But the real problem lies still in cable mechanical stress/relief close to the connector/plug and close to the MagSafe adaptor (place where cable is bent). That's why Apple changed old T-shape connector design to L-shape connector design where cable is on the same line as plug and goes to the rear. But again it seems that L-shaped plug is also not so stress resistant as we think:
Maybe that's why Apple took decision back to T-shape design concept in new MagSafe2 connector.
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