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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign

Exio said:
That's some contradiction and ******** in the same sentence. For the most part all tablets are scaled up larger versions of their phone counterparts.
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Why is it a contraindiction ?

Its not true that tablets are scaled up phones. For one thing the android OS was originally separate for phones and tablets - they've mashed them together now under Ice Cream Sandwich - but they still have different code running and different features.

Go into a shop and play with some android tablets. They suck unbeleivably. They are glithcy. They freeze up when opening up things. Whereas ipoad is smooth and glitch free. So for that reason I got an ipad.

Android phones on the other hand are not glitchy and run as smoothly as you woudl expect. And in general I find the use of space on an android phone superior to iphone. I also prefer the android interface in that size (which is different to android tablet interface) - its more functional and better for mutlitasking and jumping between apps than iOS - which to be honest I find juvenile on a phone - its to blocky and mp3 player ish to me
I got an iphone at one point and returned it in less that a week. Went back to my 2 year old Android phone which is better.
 
Quick questions. Would the .3 boost to the CPU in the $2799 rMBP make things scroll/transition smoother while using the integrated graphics? Particularly in the 1920x1200 mode? Or is there literally no visual/noticeable gain in the boosted processor outside of the time it takes to render videos and stuff? I use VMs rather often if that's important.
 
Is it a good time to get a 13 inch?

Hey guys,

With the release of the new 15 inch retina Macbook Pro´s, I’m wondering if a 13 inch model will be introduced soon. I was planning to get a 13 inch in October (Black Friday Discount :D ), but now that i see that they didn´t upgraded the screen resolution or redesign it I started doubting if it maybe i should wait until they release a 13 inch one.

I’m also considering a 13 inch Air (100 bucks price drop) because at this point it seem that the "only" difference between the Air, and a 13 inch retina will be the screen resolution. Maybe the Airs will get the Retina screen upgrade option later this year?

I’ll be using it for school, some video editing and light gaming. And I don´t plan to get a new one after this one in at least 3-4 years and i know that the Air is not user upgradable, so that is a con

So what do you recommend me to do?

BTW: Sorry for my bad English... not my native language
 
blanco.juanfeli said:
Hey guys,

With the release of the new 15 inch retina Macbook Pro´s, I’m wondering if a 13 inch model will be introduced soon. I was planning to get a 13 inch in October (Black Friday Discount :D ), but now that i see that they didn´t upgraded the screen resolution or redesign it I started doubting if it maybe i should wait until they release a 13 inch one.

I’m also considering a 13 inch Air (100 bucks price drop) because at this point it seem that the "only" difference between the Air, and a 13 inch retina will be the screen resolution. Maybe the Airs will get the Retina screen upgrade option later this year?

I’ll be using it for school, some video editing and light gaming. And I don´t plan to get a new one after this one in at least 3-4 years and i know that the Air is not user upgradable, so that is a con

So what do you recommend me to do?

BTW: Sorry for my bad English... not my native language
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If you can wait till October, then do so and get the 13" Retina. The analyst who predicted this last release was nearly 100% accurate and already has said that a 13" is likely sometime in October.

I'm not sure what your budget is and whether it will be priced the same at $1199. The new 13" air can handle light editing and gaming, but if you're looking to keep it for 3-4 years. I'd wait for the retina and get the most up to date computer you can.

Don't expect Air's to get any retina's this year. If you need one now, get the Air because it is nearly the same as the MacBook Pro but you get better portability, SSD storage and better screen resolution.
 
mohsy90 said:
If you can wait till October, then do so and get the 13" Retina. The analyst who predicted this last release was nearly 100% accurate and already has said that a 13" is likely sometime in October.

I'm not sure what your budget is and whether it will be priced the same at $1199. The new 13" air can handle light editing and gaming, but if you're looking to keep it for 3-4 years. I'd wait for the retina and get the most up to date computer you can.

Don't expect Air's to get any retina's this year. If you need one now, get the Air because it is nearly the same as the MacBook Pro but you get better portability, SSD storage and better screen resolution.
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I don´t think it’s gonna be the same price... probably around 1600 dollars, but this is not a huge problem since I currently have enough for the high end 13 inch... The problem with the Air and the possible 13 inch Retina is this:

Recently I read an article on iFixit that said that the 15 inch Pro w/Retina Display was the least upgradable laptop to date. (Same with the Air) If they launch a 13 inch Pro with Retina my best guess is that it will be almost identical in terms of upgradability, and I don´t think that the base model (which will be the one I’ll get) will come with a 256gb SSD and 8gb of RAM. Maybe those specs will suit me for now, but in 2 years I just don´t think it will be enough… So I’m thinking that the non-retina will be a better option, as I could upgrade it later on with a large SSD (when the prices are get lower of course) and up to 16 of RAM. The screen on the current 13 inch is not that bad, but I still can’t believe that the resolution on the Air is still higher.

So right now I guess the only thing I could do is wait until October/November to see what Apple comes with, and if the screen will actually convince me!:confused:
 
Does the macbook pro non retina have a SATA 3 connection for the optical drive as well as the SSD Drive?
You could RAID two SSD's together for some crazy disk speed.
I like firewire and ethernet.
It's ridiculous and a contradiction in terms to choose form over function on a 'pro' machine.
The non retina macbook pro should have a retina option (with maybe no DVD drive for the extra batteries) I know what I would buy in a heart beat.
You basically get two USB ports.
Thunderbolt is redundant at the moment until more than the 2 products available now, come out that use it. (for some reason apple think we have to access 200 GB SSD storage arrays on our laptops but not on our desktops?)
Another genius idea. No thunderbolt on Mac Pro's for over a year! Wow. Surely someone thought of that!?!
The retina is 0.0000046578 mm thinner but now I have to carry a bag with load of new £30 connectors and leads. I'll take the old macbook pro 'thickness' thanks.
I want to be able to fix/upgrade my own RAM, Hard drive, batteries, screen.
Give us a retina option in the 'classic' shape macbook pro please.
 
External monitors

So how many non-Thunderbolt monitors can you run on the new MBP?

It appears with two thunderbolt/mini display ports and one HDMI port.......

KP
 
This thread still alive and well I see...!

I visited my local Retail Store for a little play on the new Retina Pro last night... I'm afraid to say it was a bit of a disappointment I think - and I was anticipating it being a bit mind blowing!!

It hasn't helped me make any kind of decision at all as to what to buy!! A Mac computer would be fairly new on me, I've never owned one before and was really starting to think that now might well be the time. But having played on it for an hour or so, I'm not sure I can see what's so special really.

Yes the thing is fast - I think the SSD action definitely has more impact on user experience than the new Retina addition - in fact, it was the screen that left me most disappointed I think. At native "Best for Retina" resolution, it does look lovely of course, but real estate is noticeably lacking (this may just be the fact I'm currently used to a dual screen desktop setup). As for the (limited number of) Scaled options - I can't even get my head around how this is physically working - if 1920x1200 is 133% larger than the 1440x900 effective "Retina" resolution, we are not dealing in whole pixels surely?? I understand doubling pixels in each direction achieves better perceived sharpness/definition, but if 1 old-school pixel = 2x2 (ie 4) Retina pixels, where/how is this being split into thirds???

The 1920 res does help to sharpen the non-Retina enabled applications a bit and gives a little more real estate (quite a bit actually), though with the obvious miniturisation of everything visible. This could be something I could live with I think, but I really don't get why you wouldn't allow the use of the full 2880x1800 actual pixels if you wanted to maximise real estate, even if everything was super tiny on screen, surely text can be set to display larger fonts throughout the system or something (n00b question here!!)

It still also begs questions for me about what happens when outputting to a second display (a scenario for which no other Retina displays are currently available). Using a Thubderbolt display, real estate will be lovely, but pixel density will be down compared to the native display. Thunderbolt display appears to restrict the ability for me to also use it with my work laptop, which is an Windows based ThinkPad (and no they won't consider allowing me to switch to Apple hardware!!). The ThinkPad either has VGA (pointless) or DisplayPort (not Mini) outputs available - would I be able to use both machines with a TB display and switch them easily or am I going to have to fiddle with cables round the back each time I want to swap (no KVM)??? Will the HDMI output on the Retina Pro allow output as a second computer display or will restrictions for purely video (and associated audio of course) output be possible??

I really want to be able to want this product and make the switch from Windows based machines, but my trip yesterday has left me none-the-wiser!! Who out there has adopted already and what are your experiences so far in relation to the stuff mentioned above?

Cheers
 
A few quick replies where I can:-

maustin1979 said:
Yes the thing is fast - I think the SSD action definitely has more impact on user experience than the new Retina addition
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Agreed. SSD is a big improvement to speed. The reason that the media/users are getting so excited about Retina is that it's new. SSD has been around for a while on the Air and the Pro, and through the 3rd party market for those who dared to do an upgrade themselves.

I also wasn't blown away with Retina. I think that's because the hype was so big around this feature that it makes it less likely to blow anyone away.

maustin1979 said:
surely text can be set to display larger fonts throughout the system or something (n00b question here!!)
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You might be able to do this, however the UI elements would be tiny - think menus, dialogue boxes, etc.

maustin1979 said:
It still also begs questions for me Will the HDMI output on the Retina Pro allow output as a second computer display or will restrictions for purely video (and associated audio of course) output be possible??
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Yes! The HDMI simply allows you to use an external screen/TV as a mirror/extension of your screen. Like any other of the video output ports

maustin1979 said:
I really want to be able to want this product and make the switch from Windows based machines, but my trip yesterday has left me none-the-wiser!! Who out there has adopted already and what are your experiences so far in relation to the stuff mentioned above?
Cheers
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Make the switch, you won't be disappointed. I switched for the first time 2 Macs ago and don't regret it one bit.
 
Connected to tv via hdmi, can you close the lid of the MBPr and play films on the tv, with full image and sound?
 
Well it's been an interesting 6 months or so on this thread and with it dying out now I'd just like to say that I bought my first MAC on Saturday, being the 13" base MBP. I'm extremely happy with my purchase, even with the talk of a retina 13" coming out in October. For me it had got to the stage of needing one now so I chose to buy it because I couldn't wait any longer.
The guy in the Apple store did say that even though the 13" MBP's have been Apple's best seller, he believes they will also be redundant in near future which is why the resolution wasn't updated to at least that of the Air.
Whether that's true is another thing, however I'm more than happy now and love the features on the track pad.

I was very worried on Sunday when using the migration assistant for Windows to Mac. 6 hours had passed and only a couple of mm's had moved on the progress bar for the first folder. After concerns about possible damage if qutting the process I had to just go for it. Thankfully there's no signs from what I can see of anything being wrong, but it still leaves me needing to move anything across and I'm a little sceptical about trying it again.
 
maustin1979 said:
I really want to be able to want this product and make the switch from Windows based machines, but my trip yesterday has left me none-the-wiser!! Who out there has adopted already and what are your experiences so far in relation to the stuff mentioned above?

Cheers
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Kind of in the same situation. Switching from Windows...ordered my MBPR sight unseen and just crossing my fingers that this was the right move
 
Where are the sharp IGZO screens, the Haswell chips, the DDR4, the larger stock SSDs, the software to run native 2800x1800 without everything being tiny, the more powerful GPUs. The RMBP isn't good enough yet. I might just go with 13" air and sell it next year to get the Rmacbook Pro when Apple - hopefully - improves in some of these regards.

Also, does anyone know if we should expect DDR4 on the 2013 Macbook Pros because even thought it's compatible with Haswell, I don't know if we will see it being widely used in the first half of 2013?
 
Did anyone mention that the keyboard of the Retina MacBook Pro is different?

They keys have about as much travel as you get with the old MacBook Pros (and are in this respect a huge improvement over the Airs) but they are also, well, I would describe it as tighter. The old keyboards always felt a bit too spongy too me, I much prefer the Retina’s keyboard.

I’m not really sure whether that’s an intended change. Maybe they had to slightly redesign the keyboard just to make it flatter and ideally wouldn’t even have changed it. I also think this is very subjective: Maybe someone else prefers the spongy old MacBook Pro keyboard. You have to try it. (That’s why I avoided words like “better” here, even though from my perspective it clearly is.)
 
The New MacBook said:
Where are the sharp IGZO screens, the Haswell chips, the DDR4, the larger stock SSDs, the software to run native 2800x1800 without everything being tiny, the more powerful GPUs. The RMBP isn't good enough yet. I might just go with 13" air and sell it next year to get the Rmacbook Pro when Apple - hopefully - improves in some of these regards.

Also, does anyone know if we should expect DDR4 on the 2013 Macbook Pros because even thought it's compatible with Haswell, I don't know if we will see it being widely used in the first half of 2013?
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Even sharper? Huh?! I mean, what do you want? Even more pixels?
 
parlour said:
Did anyone mention that the keyboard of the Retina MacBook Pro is different?

They keys have about as much travel as you get with the old MacBook Pros (and are in this respect a huge improvement over the Airs) but they are also, well, I would describe it as tighter. The old keyboards always felt a bit too spongy too me, I much prefer the Retina’s keyboard.

I’m not really sure whether that’s an intended change. Maybe they had to slightly redesign the keyboard just to make it flatter and ideally wouldn’t even have changed it. I also think this is very subjective: Maybe someone else prefers the spongy old MacBook Pro keyboard. You have to try it. (That’s why I avoided words like “better” here, even though from my perspective it clearly is.)
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Old MBP "spongy," really? I played with the rMBP at Best Buy and one of the first things I noticed was the different keyboard. I thought the rMBP felt more gooshy, like there's fluff below the keys, as opposed the this clickity click I'm getting from my 17" right now.
 
VacantPsalm said:
Old MBP "spongy," really? I played with the rMBP at Best Buy and one of the first things I noticed was the different keyboard. I thought the rMBP felt more gooshy, like there's fluff below the keys, as opposed the this clickity click I'm getting from my 17" right now.
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Yes, seriously. Too much horizontal play on those MBP keys, no such thing on the rMBP. It’s just tight. Whether you like that or not is certainly subjective.
 
13" MBP, Hi-Res, 1400 x 900, Glossy

I saw this listed on B&H website this AM:

Apple 13.3" MacBook Pro Z101 Notebook Computer (750GB) (Hi-Res Glossy Screen) 1400 x 900, i5, 2.5, 4 gb RAM, 750 HDD, Intel HD 4000. $1299

I sent them an Email because the detailed description didn't match the description in the title.
I checked back and they removed "1400 x 900" but the item is still there.

Apple "Z0MT-MD1011"

I sthis news or I have just missed it
 
djmoody said:
You can buy thunderbolt to VGA adapters in a month or so.
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No, Thunderbolt is for digital data transfer while VGA is only analog video, you can't have such an adapter. The mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter (available since 2008) however plugs into the Thunderbolt port since Thunderbolt uses the mini DisplayPort connector.

With one of those adapters for each Thunderbolt port, you should be able to plug 3 external non-Apple monitors to a rMBP, with one plugged into the HDMI port.

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doherrick said:
I saw this listed on B&H website this AM:

Apple 13.3" MacBook Pro Z101 Notebook Computer (750GB) (Hi-Res Glossy Screen) 1400 x 900, i5, 2.5, 4 gb RAM, 750 HDD, Intel HD 4000. $1299

I sent them an Email because the detailed description didn't match the description in the title.
I checked back and they removed "1400 x 900" but the item is still there.

Apple "Z0MT-MD1011"

I sthis news or I have just missed it
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That's just a mistake they made, it now says 1280x800 like it should. And saying "High-res" doesn't mean nothing since how high a resolution is is subjective. It's weird that they say that since you rarely ever see laptops with a resolution lower than that besides netbooks, but I guess it's just B&H's marketing.
 
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