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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign

i dont see 2 '13' lasting too long togheter

the air is gonna eat the pro (13 model only)

who needs a 13 mbp to be enough powerful ? for what ? 3d modelling? audio editing while at an airport ? the 13Air is and will be powerful enough for who buys a '13' for portability.

today's 13MBA aint as bad as the Ipad1 compared to todays Ipad,
it's much more advanced.
 
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skaertus said:
Probably we'll see new iMacs first. The first wave of processors are for desktops (and also quad-core laptops, which won't fit in the 13" MBP).
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But fit perfectly in the 15" and 17" Pro, the former of which is rumored to be seeing an update first.
 
PVisitors said:
I'd love a 13" redesign akin to the air but with upgradability, but I just can't see it due to it sharing too much with the Air. It would be. I think I've finally settled that the same design MBP with retina display (or a higher resolution) with ivy bridge would satisfy me. I could then just buy my own ram and SSD and just fit it straight away.

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According to Intel the new quad-core processors are low enough wattage to fit in a 13" laptop.

I'd argue, if there is going to be a quad core 13" MBP, it will be this one; http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core i7-3612QM Mobile processor.html
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Is this one being released tomorrow as well?

Anyway, don't you think the iMac is going to be updated first? It's almost a year without an update. The MacBook Pro was last updated half a year ago.
 
New Apple said:
who needs a 13 mbp to be enough powerful ? for what ? 3d modelling? audio editing while at an airport ? the 13Air is and will be powerful enough for who buys a '13' for portability.
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PLENTY of people I know have a 13" MBP as their primary computer. I am still on the last BlackBook. We carry our computers to and from work every day. Their work includes higher-end engineering programs and/or pro-level design software, including some that only run natively on windows.

Before you say, "you're in the minority and sounds like you need more processor speed than the 13 incher"... Not true.

Our needs may seem like a lot, but the truth is that a 13" MBP can handle all that we need without much problem. It can be a pretty badass computer, without compromising portability. The truth is, the 13" MBP is good enough for most people who have 'higher' demands for their computer. As for the screen size, well I need more than 20" at least, so I use a second monitor anyway.

A 13" MBA will struggle over a (not too long) period of time, and a 15" is pretty big to carry every day (size, not weight-wise).
 
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Also worth noting that the 13" MBP is the university students laptop of choice, not the Macbook Air. It would be a bad move for Apple to ignore this considering whether I would imagine they make up quite a key demographic for the purchasing of Macs. Plus the 13" MBP is by far Apple's most popular mac.

Only way they would be able to partially rectify is by making the MBA user upgradable for RAM and offering 512mb SSDs coming as standard. Unlikely.

The 13" MBP still has a few years left in it, to be perfectly honest.
 
didda said:
According to several news sites and Youtube tomorrow (23.04.) will be the day.
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That's not what we can call a new information. Since weeks people are telling here that Ivy Bridge will be announced 23 april. Following was already post

*** Intel Confidential***

Dear Reviewer,
We are pleased to provide you a reviewer’s kit featuring the yet‐to‐be‐launched 3rd Generation Intel® CoreTM i7 Desktop Processor, compatible with the LGA‐1155 socket. The 3rd Gen Intel Core Processor Family is the latest addition to Intel’s line of desktop processors. These processors have been designed to work in conjunction with the Intel® 7 Series Chipset motherboards to deliver high levels of system performance, robust platform features, overclocking flexibility and system responsiveness.
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blablabla
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Intel® 7 Series Chipset/Motherboards (with 2nd gen Intel® CoreTM processors ‐ Sandy Bridge only): April 8th, 2012 12:01AM local time.
3rd Gen Intel® CoreTM processors (Ivy Bridge): April 23rd, 2012 09:01AM PST.
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blablabla covers also mobile Quad Core Ivy Bridge mobile.

BTW, I agree cmChimera. 45 Watts mobile IVB will be fine for 15 and 17'' MacBook Pro to replace 45 Watts SNB mobile. I would be nice to have low power Quad but I doubt Apple will use them. Those low power quad already exist in Sandy Bridge and Apple doesn't use them.
 
cire1244 said:
PLENTY of people I know have a 13" MBP as their primary computer. I am still on the last BlackBook. We carry our computers to and from work every day. Their work includes higher-end engineering programs and/or pro-level design software, including some that only run natively on windows.

Before you say, "you're in the minority and sounds like you need more processor speed than the 13 incher"... Not true.

Our needs may seem like a lot, but the truth is that a 13" MBP can handle all that we need without much problem. It can be a pretty badass computer, without compromising portability. The truth is, the 13" MBP is good enough for most people who have 'higher' demands for their computer.

A 13" MBA will struggle over a (not too long) period of time, and a 15" is pretty big to carry every day (size, not weight-wise).
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i guess if Apple had to listen to everybody's needs they'd have to make 15 different models (just today i readed a 'DJ' complaining on the eventual cut-off of the Optical drive because he needs cds and dvds)
 
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New Apple said:
i guess if Apple had to listen to everybody's needs they'd have to make 15 different models (just today i readed a 'DJ' complaining on the eventual cut-off of the Optical drive because he needs cds and dvds)
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or.... just keep the format that they currently have that has been clearly working for the last 4+ years.
 
Squashy said:
I'm not even a DJ and I know how to use Beatport.
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Even a DJ that uses CDs uses CDJs, not the integrated Superdrive:
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A laptop for a DJ is to either play digital files or apply digital effects. The optical drive is useless while performing.
 
cmChimera said:
But fit perfectly in the 15" and 17" Pro, the former of which is rumored to be seeing an update first.
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But what would they upgrade the graphics to?

"They have in essence drawn a line in the sand (e.g. in their product portfolio), and everything 7600M and below will reuse their existing 40nm VLIW5 architecture while all of the yet-to-be-announced parts above 7600M (7700M/7800M/7900M) will switch to 28nm GCN (Graphics Core Next)..... And just when will that be? AMD wouldn’t give us a date, but all indications are we’ll see the 7000M Southern Islands GPUs in the April/May timeframe. "
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5426/amd-clarifies-7000m-strategy

There are some announcements coming the 24th on these. However, if rolled out like the desktop Southern Islands counterparts it will be 79xxM first, then about 3-4 weeks for the 78xxM, and then another 3-4 weeks for the 77xxM.

If the iMac rolls with the 79xxM and 78xxM then it probably can go to market at least a month before the MBPs and 77xxM models do.

Nvidia's Kepler mobile line up is in pretty much the same boat with staggered top-to-bottom releases due to wafer and yield constraints getting useful product out of the same TSMC's fabs.
 
deconstruct60 said:
But what would they upgrade the graphics to?

"They have in essence drawn a line in the sand (e.g. in their product portfolio), and everything 7600M and below will reuse their existing 40nm VLIW5 architecture while all of the yet-to-be-announced parts above 7600M (7700M/7800M/7900M) will switch to 28nm GCN (Graphics Core Next)..... And just when will that be? AMD wouldn’t give us a date, but all indications are we’ll see the 7000M Southern Islands GPUs in the April/May timeframe. "
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5426/amd-clarifies-7000m-strategy

There are some announcements coming the 24th on these. However, if rolled out like the desktop Southern Islands counterparts it will be 79xxM first, then about 3-4 weeks for the 78xxM, and then another 3-4 weeks for the 77xxM.

If the iMac rolls with the 79xxM and 78xxM then it probably can go to market at least a month before the MBPs and 77xxM models do.

Nvidia's Kepler mobile line up is in pretty much the same boat with staggered top-to-bottom releases due to wafer and yield constraints getting useful product out of the same TSMC's fabs.
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I was thinking of kepler gpus since they are available first.
 
Well, folks.

Could be an eventful week for this long in the tooth thread :)

Here's hoping we get some concrete information on new macs this week.
 
Can't wait till Tuesday or Thursday! :)

However, i am not too optimistic. No media event was announced yet so that means two things:
1) the updates are not this week.
OR
2)the updates are minor spec bumps not worth a dedicated event.

In either case, :( (sad panda).
 
Just throwing this out there...

Any chance Tim Cook makes a surprise appearance at Intel's event tomorrow and announces the new macs?

Unlikely, but maaaaybe?
 
cire1244 said:
Just throwing this out there...

Any chance Tim Cook makes a surprise appearance at Intel's event tomorrow and announces the new macs?

Unlikely, but maaaaybe?
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When Apple announces things at events, they do it at their own events. Even with a redesign, I'm skeptical there will actually be an event this year, and an appearance by an Apple exec at the Intel event is even less likely IMO.
 
I'm thinking they'll release them the 11th of June at WWDC, the average release days tally up to this date and it is the developer conference after all.
 
The only thing that keeps bugging me about these rumors is the HiDPI issue, which is highly anticipated. It requires hardware and software support at the exact same time... Like the New iPad.

Honestly, without a major update to the OS and many current 3rd party programs looking super small or ******-being-blown-up-to-that-size, I just don't know how this could be adapted quickly with a one, maybe two product roll-outs in the coming month.

How pissed off would customers be when they buy a brand new MBP with Retina display and open a website or program to find it is the size of a few inches on the screen... and yes you could just press [+] a bunch of times but web images wouldn't scale well to those sizes.

I just keep getting a feeling that the idea of mac's having "Retina" level resolutions is something that will have to come post-Mountain Lion.

Perhaps rumors of "Retina" has been miss-interpreted as all macs being able to support 1080P movies for their itunes initiative. Then with that in place, the move to a "Retina" level of display will be ready for consumers to... consume, because apps will be able to support it and the OS will be rolled out to a lot of computers and will give developers time to create programs with visual assets for Retina and non-Retina displays.

EDIT: I should also say that there is another option I could see. That Apple has been in talks with many 3rd party vendors for months to make software updates available with high res visual assets available to these one or two products we are rolling out in the next month... But again would have to have Apple on the bandwagon as well rolling out as custom Lion build with HiDPI assets.
 
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soundman414 said:
The only thing that keeps bugging me about these rumors is the HiDPI issue, which is highly anticipated. It requires hardware and software support at the exact same time... Like the New iPad.

Honestly, without a major update to the OS and many current 3rd party programs looking super small or ******-being-blown-up-to-that-size, I just don't know how this could be adapted quickly with a one, maybe two product roll-outs in the coming month.

How pissed off would customers be when they buy a brand new MBP with Retina display and open a website or program to find it is the size of a few inches on the screen... and yes you could just press [+] a bunch of times but web images wouldn't scale well to those sizes.

I just keep getting a feeling that the idea of mac's having "Retina" level resolutions is something that will have to come post-Mountain Lion.

Perhaps rumors of "Retina" has been miss-interpreted as all macs being able to support 1080P movies for their itunes initiative. Then with that in place, the move to a "Retina" level of display will be ready for consumers to... consume, because apps will be able to support it and the OS will be rolled out to a lot of computers and will give developers time to create programs with visual assets for Retina and non-Retina displays.
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But that's not quite how it works, you see, if HiDPI was enabled, the resolution would stay the same, only the pixels per inch would quadruple, so what was once a screen with a resolution of 1280x800 containing 1024000 pixels, is now a screen with a resolution of 1280x800 containing 4096000 pixels. So its the same resolution, only much sharper.

Applications not designed with HiDPI in mind would presumably look a little fuzzy compared to the higher resolution graphics, but would be scaled to size, similar to how older application icons look on the iPhone 4.
 
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