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2013 Macbook Pro 13" Retina Display Models A018 vs A020 Which do you Have?
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EDIT: A018 rMBP 2.4/8/256
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EDIT: A018 rMBP 2.4/8/256
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Both are from the same manufacturer designated "610" in Display Preferences. Can someone please post a photo of their A020 with a full screen white background in a dark room at max brightness?
As far as I know A020 have IR. You just have to test it long enough (leave a window open for more than 20 minutes on a dark gray background). Not sure about A018 but so far I have been able to find IR on every single 13"inch I have seen. A new one is awaiting me at home but I fear it will have the same issue as they all are affected since LG is the only manufacturer for the 13". As someone said 610 is the manufacturer and it´s equal LG, A0X are just numbers showing how old the display is ...
I have an A018 I am playing with. Screen is evenly lit with no yellowing I can see. I have not tested for burn in but under normal use I have not seen any.
You won't until a few weeks/months that's why you better test it before the end of your 14 days.
Just got my new replacement, it's a A018. Put the gray background, opened Safari with Facebook on screen and 20 minutes later I reduced the window and tada ... IR. I think I've tried enough rmbp to safely say that every single 13" have IR. If you think yours is fine, just do what I did and you'll see your screen is defective too !
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I have the A020. The screen tint is perfectly even and white. Better then the late 15" MBP I have. Doing the IR test I have extremely faint IR. Far less then the iPad minis. I don't see it causing any problems what so ever in real world usage.
That's where you are wrong. IR gets worse with time. In a few months your computer will be unusuable. At first you have to look close and have a grey background to notice it that's why people think their computer is ok (who uses the grey background ?!) but later you start to see it over your regular wallpaper and when you had to leave something open for 15 minutes before having IR it starts after only 2 and soon the last IR doesn't even have the time to go away that a new one appears at the top of the old one and you can't use your computer correctly anymore. Every 13" screens are defective so far and remember that out of warranty a screen is $700 to replace.
I live near 5 apple stores. If it gets worse I'll take it in for a replacement.
In the mean time in not going to worry about it as I don't feel like reinstalling everything.
In the mean time in not going to worry about it as I don't feel like reinstalling everything.
Yeah but they will replace it (If they agree too, once your 14 days are over they tend to deny the issue) with another defective screen and you'll face the problem again ... It´s a never ending circle
Your way to obsessed over the issue. Relax it's just a computer. Apple has always made good on any hardware issues I have ever had no matter how small.
If it's gets so bad like you claim then I will have no problem replicating the issue and showing it to them.
If it's gets so bad like you claim then I will have no problem replicating the issue and showing it to them.
Yeah but they will replace it (If they agree too, once your 14 days are over they tend to deny the issue) with another defective screen and you'll face the problem again ... It´s a never ending circle
How many screens have you tested this on? Some screens have IR and get worse with time, but that doesn't necessarily mean all screens with IR will get worse. And if it doesn't get worse and isn't noticeable in normal use, that hardly sounds 'defective' to me. The 13" Retinas have been out for over a year though, and I'm sure that there are some screens that are still fine now and haven't been replaced.
So your late 13" are getting worse since you got them? They have only been out about 6 weeks. Ive had mine since day 1 and it hasn't gotten worse at all. if anything maybe a bit better. if I run the standard test for 10 mins I can barely see retention. If I put up the standard grey background and left safari open with a bunch of high contrast BW images for 30 mins I could see no retention what so ever.
If your certain all monitors even the current ones with image retention get worse over time them the iPad mini is doomed. I tried 3 or 4 of them and the image retention was far worse then on the mac. I could see a very strong checkerboard pattern after just a minute or so.
If your certain all monitors even the current ones with image retention get worse over time them the iPad mini is doomed. I tried 3 or 4 of them and the image retention was far worse then on the mac. I could see a very strong checkerboard pattern after just a minute or so.
ME866 (2.6 i5/8GB/512GB, week 41, october) with A018 screen here. I have set it on a fullscreen black&white checkerboard for 2x10 minutes at maximum brightness and could not see any retention watching the 50% grey screen directly after that. So I am not to sure about the "every 13 inch has retention" statements that some people make over here.
There are no issues with uniformity, backlight bleed or too yellowish tint here either. By the way: my experience is that most people are used to too much blue in their tv/computer/phone/tablet screens and think blue-ish white (8000 K) is the right white, and daylight white (6503 K) is "yellow".
I will measure the color temperature (target D65) later with my i1Pro spectrophotometer and report back.
ColorSync Color LCD profile:
Manufacturer 00000610
Model 0000A018
Serial number 00000000
Produced on CCD70684
Production date LCD screen:
ioreg -l | grep IODisplayEDID | sed 's/^.*<//g' | cut -b 33-36
gives "3016" which translates to week 30 (30) 2012 (16)
There are no issues with uniformity, backlight bleed or too yellowish tint here either. By the way: my experience is that most people are used to too much blue in their tv/computer/phone/tablet screens and think blue-ish white (8000 K) is the right white, and daylight white (6503 K) is "yellow".
I will measure the color temperature (target D65) later with my i1Pro spectrophotometer and report back.
ColorSync Color LCD profile:
Manufacturer 00000610
Model 0000A018
Serial number 00000000
Produced on CCD70684
Production date LCD screen:
ioreg -l | grep IODisplayEDID | sed 's/^.*<//g' | cut -b 33-36
gives "3016" which translates to week 30 (30) 2012 (16)
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I have the exact same screen, A018 and built in week 30 2012. No yellow tint, no image retention, no bleeding. Just perfect.
I have the exact same screen, A018 and built in week 30 2012. No yellow tint, no image retention, no bleeding. Just perfect.
Well I'm sorry but I have the exact same screen A018 (3016) and I have IR. I think you just haven't look hard enough cause you don't want to accept that the computer you love so much have the issue ... Btw do you realize the screens are from 2012 ? They were probably made before the release of the first rmbp 13" or soon after. Apple was probably not even aware of the issue at the time so ... If the issue was fixed in a later batch, it's probably not before 2013. But again ignore that if you want but I hope you took the Apple Care or you are in for a bad surprise at some point :/
Some will tell you they don't have it but truth is it's probably just a matter of time. 13" are alas doomed
Some will tell you they don't have it but truth is it's probably just a matter of time. 13" are alas doomed
Well that is a pretty weird statement to make without knowing someone in person. Because it does not show up on the screen in my Macbook and it's also an A018 3016 you just assume I don't look hard enough because I am in love with the computer and therefore retention denial. That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
Bursting your bubble: I calibrate screens, mostly televisions, using my i1Pro. I have a Panasonic VT60 plasma which I am dearly in love with. However I DO see retention on this screen and I am not afraid to admit it. I just report what I see, no more, no less.
So on my VT60 plasma I see lots of retention using a grey screen (channel logos). On my Macbook Pro retina I did a 20 minutes black&white checkerboard test at maximum screen brightness making sure the screen did not dim (Caffeïne). Switched to a 50% fullscreen grey immediately after and could not see a checkerboard pattern even if I tried/wanted to (did also try 30% and 80% grey screens by the way). I was actually surprised because I expected to see a faint checkerboard pattern, which would have been totally acceptable to me since I am used to it anyway watching my plasma tv's and don't mind it so much as long as it is not noticeable in real world content.
You see it on your screen, same model number, same production date, I believe you. (And by the way, I don't assume you see it because you hate your Macbook so much.) I don't see it on mine, though I have seen image retention many times so I know what to look for. Maybe it will show up later. But right now, it just does not show up on this Macbook, which has been used about 150 hours.
Edit: to answer your other question, yes I am aware this screen is reported to be made in 2012, since I mentioned it explicitly in my previous post.
Edit2: one final note, before I upgraded to this MBPr I had the MBPr 2013 base model with a screen (A020) that DID have some image retention using the checkerboard test. No big deal for me because it was very faint, but it was there.
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Mine is Haswell 13" rMBP 2.8/16/1TB with A18 screen. Perfect screen so far, colors a lot more vivid than the 2012 13" rMBP it replaced. Some people here say A18 is Samsung.
Here is a picture comparisson of the old 2012 13" rMBP (left) versus the new Haswell 13" rMBP with the A18 display (right):
Here is a picture comparisson of the old 2012 13" rMBP (left) versus the new Haswell 13" rMBP with the A18 display (right):
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