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1990 + 22 = 2012. Afaik 3016 is from week 48 in 2012

Thanks, that would make sense if I assume 1990 is some well-known baseline date for Apple serials. :)

By the way, as promised I just measured my A018 screen with the default color profile using Calman and an i1Pro spectro. In the graphs below the 100 value on the horizontal axis corresponds to max brightness and every step lower corresponds to one step lowered brightness, so 100 = 16 max brightness, 90 = 15, going down to 0 = 6 brightness.

RGB balance
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What can be seen is that the color temperature slowly shifts to more blue when the brightness goes up. All colors are between 99 and 102% over the entire range, which is excellent and results in a very low Delta-E76:

Delta-E76
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The green line corresponds to a Delta-E76 of 3 which is generally considered the visible threshold. (Side note: the yellow line means good performance, anything above the red line is seen as poor)

Color temperature
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Color temperature is between 6500 and 6640 over the measured range. 6503K corresponds to daylight whitepoint (D65). Going down on the temperature scale below 6500 means a warmer color (red/yellow), going higher means colder (blue/cyan). Lots of PC screens are 8000-ish or higher so this is a really great result.
So this screen is by no means "yellow". ;) I also like the gamma of the screen, so there is no need for a custom color profile here!
 
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So what's the thread score so far, as far as IR is concerned? :)

A018, total 16
- IR 2
- tested and no IR 10
- "screen looks fine" but no mention if IR tested 4

A020, total 8 (including multiple from Jeanloup)
- IR 5
- tested and no IR 3

Model unknown, total 3
IR: 1
no IR: 2
 
I have an A020, I did the IR test (the one with the chess board) and I found no IR on my monitor.
Regarding color reproduction and brightness it seems perfect but I'm not a great judge, I had a crappy HP before with an awful screen.
 
I did the IR Test too.

I left my A018 for around 25-30 min with chess board and switched to grey background...

No IR

I compared my screen (the white) with my iPhone 5, my iPad4 and my Acer 5755G and slightly warmer with d65

Screen is nice and I love to see my HD Wallpaper...

For me this topic is solved so far. I hope my screen keeps wonderful, if not, I inform you...
 
Yea I agree. I want to see the facts that all 13" rMBP monitors are doomed and we will all have useless macs that Apple will do nothing about down the road lol.



... and you mine...

So where are the sources for your "facts"???
 
What AppleCare is going to do besides changing your defective screen for another defective screen ? It's not the 15" so it's not as if they could give you a Samsung screen. It doesn't exist.

Even if IR develops over a few months, what's to say they won't have fixed it by that time?
 
A020. Did test. No IR.

Have to agree that there appears to be a lack of supportive evidence for jeanloups claims.

Also feel if the problem was as bad as stated then the media would have a field day with this issue.
 
Ok, my second unit send back to apple, 2 days old macbook and during reinstall of os x after downloading install (took 10 minutes) i have seem big IR X right in the middle of screen - maybe i had bad luck, but two units - two with IR - really apple? Premium price for defective product? Hope that in summer when retina air will be released, IR wont be the issue:(

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Even if IR develops over a few months, what's to say they won't have fixed it by that time?

They did not fix it since first launch of mb pro retina, what makes you believe that in few months, they will? (They use 2012 lcds in 2013 mbs, no fix till new lcds used..)
 
Ok, my second unit send back to apple, 2 days old macbook and during reinstall of os x after downloading install (took 10 minutes) i have seem big IR X right in the middle of screen - maybe i had bad luck, but two units - two with IR - really apple? Premium price for defective product? Hope that in summer when retina air will be released, IR wont be the issue:(

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Yep on my first 13" late 2013 I noticed IR right away as I had to restore my time machine backup. It took around an hour and when done the file transfer window was still on screen as I was about to restart.

On my first replacement all I had to do was to leave a safari window open for 20 minutes over the grey background. They were faint traces of the window shape, the Facebook search bar and even the Facebook logo.

Earlier I had a early 2013 mbpr 13" too, I was aware of the issue but decided not to look for it as I really loved the computer. It took 3 months but someday I finally saw the shape of the safari search bar over my regular wallpaper ... I decided to get rid of it before it get worse and I was hoping Apple would fix the problem with Haswell but obviously they do not care.

They did not fix it since first launch of mb pro retina, what makes you believe that in few months, they will? (They use 2012 lcds in 2013 mbs, no fix till new lcds used..)

Don't bother being rational they won't beleive you until they have the issue themselves on their magical "IR Free" MacBook Pro. I tried to share my experiences and warn people as $2000 can be a big investment for some but I have been call all kinds of name the kindest being a liar. I'm not bothering commenting this theard anymore (which became pointless btw as we now know that both A018 and A020 can have IR) as some people are obviously not mature enough to hear things they don't want to. Call me in 6 months if there is still absolutely no IR and I'll be glad to reconsider.
 
???????????????????????????????

Do you want that I say there is IR on my screen even if there is no IR?

Would this satisfy you?


Ok here it is:
I got really worse IR ON MY SCREEN... Please help me...


How many members does this forum have?
How many of them are using rMBP?
How many are complaining about IR?

There is IR definitively but not like you assert that

EVERY MACBOOK Have IR and obviously everybody that do any have any problem is not mature enough to hear things they don't want to.

And even now there is no source for your claim...

I see my screen and it is perfect... I read there are people with problems but I can't see that all apple customers have problems...

But you have the worst problems at all...
Maybe you annoy the apple guys and so they send you every time the same MacBook just to prank you...
 
But you have the worst problems at all...
Maybe you annoy the apple guys and so they send you every time the same MacBook just to prank you...

Yep that's way more probable, I should have thought of that before. Problem solved, Thank You ! :)
 
Yep that's way more probable, I should have thought of that before. Problem solved, Thank You ! :)

you're welcome. Check the SN. Maybe we can focus back to topic and you stop to tell us the same story over and over and over and over and over and...
 
you're welcome. Check the SN. Maybe we can focus back to topic and you stop to tell us the same story over and over and over and over and over and...

And me? Do you think that apple send me twivevsame macbook despite each of them had different specs?;))))
 
For the ones who got multiple replacements, did you notice any difference in maximum brightness among them?
 
Compare screens.

Could we have some people who have A018 and A020 open Google full screen or another site so we can compare the factory default colors? I really want to see which display has better contrast, etc. A screenshot would be the best. Thank for you help.
 
For the ones who got multiple replacements, did you notice any difference in maximum brightness among them?

me not, had just two pieces, both panels looked same - i must say perfect, colors, brightness, contrast - all perfect for my eyes (don't have any calibration devices, so i just say as i saw it) - only problem was IR... and second unit had some minor back light in left down corner, nothing critical... all in all, if it had not IR, it would be best display I have ever seen.
 
me not, had just two pieces, both panels looked same - i must say perfect, colors, brightness, contrast - all perfect for my eyes (don't have any calibration devices, so i just say as i saw it) - only problem was IR... and second unit had some minor back light in left down corner, nothing critical... all in all, if it had not IR, it would be best display I have ever seen.

Same. Perfect in every way besides IR.
 
…I have been call all kinds of name the kindest being a liar. I'm not bothering commenting this theard anymore…

Yep that's way more probable, I should have thought of that before. Problem solved, Thank You ! :)

Same. Perfect in every way besides IR.

While I have no reason to believe that you're lying about your experiences, that does appear somewhat contradictory.

Earlier I had a early 2013 mbpr 13" too, I was aware of the issue but decided not to look for it as I really loved the computer. It took 3 months but someday I finally saw the shape of the safari search bar over my regular wallpaper ... I decided to get rid of it before it get worse and I was hoping Apple would fix the problem with Haswell but obviously they do not care.

Don't bother being rational they won't beleive you until they have the issue themselves on their magical "IR Free" MacBook Pro.

So it turns out that you're basing the idea that all screens with IR will get worse over time, on a single computer that you had for 3 months? What about the other thousands of 13" rMBPs bought in 2012? And it sounds like the other laptops you've had didn't show IR during normal use (ie. outside of the checkerboard test, one-off installation screens and grey backgrounds)

I have never said my laptop is "IR Free", and it did show faint IR after the checkerboard test, but nothing that's noticeable in normal use. Unless it starts to get worse, or there's considerable proof that it will, why can't you just let other people enjoy their computers until there's actually a problem?
 
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IR is getting worse with time :eek:
 

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While I have no reason to believe that you're lying about your experiences, that does appear somewhat contradictory.

I'm sorry I don't see where is the contradiction aside me leaving another commentary ? Is that suppose to prove anything usefull ?

So it turns out that you're basing the idea that all screens with IR will get worse over time, on a single computer that you had for 3 months? What about the other thousands of 13" rMBPs bought in 2012? And it sounds like the other laptops you've had didn't show IR during normal use (ie. outside of the checkerboard test, one-off installation screens and grey backgrounds)

You must have misread me ... I never once did a checkboard test. All a of this cases are real world's normal use ... I had IR on my regular background with the early 2013 machine, IR at the time machine backup (which is real world use for me ...) and finally IR with safari but Indeed on a grey background (even though someone might choose to use it). So where have you seen me talking about any IR test ?

Furthermore I'm not basing the idea that it will get worse over time on my own experience alone but on the testimonies coming from the 500 pages long theard about IR on Apple's forum that I have been following for years now. There is plenty of testimony coming from people saying that at first you (on LG panels) you have very faint IR only visible on gray or dark background or none at all and that with time (usually takes weeks or months) you start having IR on your regular background and that it quickly get worse to the point where you have to go to the Apple Store. So yeah seeing maybe hundreed of people saying the same things plus the fact that the screen are from 2012 (before Apple could even know about the issue and fix it) and that both A018 and A020 have shown IR and that in 5 laptops (with différent SN ;)) I haven't been able to have any without IR I based my opinion that all 13" screens are LG and have IR. So now you might not agree to it and that´s fine but as I can't give you any "proof" of that last fact and since IR often doesn't show until months (there's plenty of testimony coming from people who first said their screen was fine coming back later and saying they should have not speak too fast) you can't prove me wrong either. So please just agree to disagee as it goes nowhere and time will tell.

I have never said my laptop is "IR Free", and it did show faint IR after the checkerboard test, but nothing that's noticeable in normal use. Unless it starts to get worse, or there's considerable proof, why can't you just let other people enjoy their computers until there's actually a problem?

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So yeah seeing maybe hundreed of people saying the same things plus the fact that the screen are from 2012 (before Apple could even know about the issue and fix it) and that both A018 and A020 have shown IR and that in 5 laptops (with différent SN ;)).

There can be good and bad batches of products, even with the same model number.
 
Just ignore him and don't give him any attention... He and his Czech friend are commenting every thread with the same "facts"...

I enjoy my rMBP and my life until the IR diagnose arrives...
I would like to investigate or help to investigate that problem and help users with IR but these guys make the job really difficult.
No matter what you ask or what you say, they're not mature enough to hear things they don't want to.

IR is a problem but some guys take it personal...
If there will be a IR on my screen this will be a discussion between apple an me...
After 3 times of exchange I claim my money back...
Normally nobody would change their MacBook as often as jean luc picard...
 
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