2013 MLB Season Thread

[Queen of Spades]

Ortiz had a huge case of roid rage last week and no suspension from MLB.
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Oh please. You're grasping for straws and it's embarrassing. How many players have gone beserk on water coolers, helmets, etc. after a horrible at bat? I guess we can suspend them all for steroids!

And I'm sick of seeing Ortiz's name bandied about like he's Braun or Bonds or A-Rod or Melky Cabrera - ADMITTED/CONVICTED steroid users - but only because people equate morals with PED use - keep in mind he's never been caught using steroids.

Yes, Ortiz appeared on a list of alleged drug users secured by the federal government in 2003, according to the New York Times. But Major League Baseball and the players’ union said that some of the players on that list never tested positive. And while Ortiz acknowledged that he was “a little bit careless” in those days with then-legal vitamins and supplements, he said that he never bought or used steroids - source

And anyway, the witch hunt and "my team is clean!" stuff is completely asinine. Every single team in the league has had players that have used PEDs. Every single team. So the high horses are dumb and a waste of time and energy. I don't see a point in acting like teams/players you hate are somehow worse than your own. Homer, Marge is calling you.

I don't hate A-Rod because he uses PEDs. I hate him because he's an insufferable, arrogant douche. I hate him for the crap he pulled in the 2004 playoffs. I hate him because he's super greedy and superficial and acts like he isn't.

But he's being treated unfairly by MLB, and Yankees fans (not the minority, reasonable Moyank variety) only hate him now because he sucks and his contract is atrocious. No one minded his d-baggery when he was helping the Yankees to banner 27. It's transparent as hell, it's not about the "good of the game" whatsoever. So, no, you won't be getting my sympathy in trying to weasel out of his contract unfairly.

 

[Queen of Spades]

And yes, I hate the Yankees and all (most) of their fans except Moyank and my hot neighbor. This is not news.

 

[MacNut]

The Red Sox had plenty of douchbags. Pappelbon and Schilling come to mind.

 

[zioxide]

The Red Sox had plenty of douchbags. Pappelbon and Schilling come to mind.

No room to talk when you have A-Rod on your team.

And how many years is it gonna take you to learn to spell papelbon?

 

[MacNut]

No room to talk when you have A-Rod on your team.

And how many years is it gonna take you to learn to spell papelbon?

I prefer call him Paperboy. And I guess he is wearing out his welcome in Philly.

 

[Queen of Spades]

The Red Sox had plenty of douchbags. Pappelbon and Schilling come to mind.

 

[zioxide]

I prefer call him Paperboy. And I guess he is wearing out his welcome in Philly.

Well I guess we know now what A-rod was carrying in his purse when he used it to try to knock the ball out of Arroyo's glove

 

[pachyderm]

And yes, I hate the Yankees and all (most) of their fans except Moyank and my hot neighbor. This is not news.

we need proof...

 

[Moyank24]

These are not reasons to hate a player, I don't feel sorry for the Yankees for not liking what was the best player in the game at the peak of his power. For that I openly criticize Yankees fans.

For the record, (real) Yankees fans have hated A-Rod since he was on the Mariners. He was an a** to Derek Jeter after they had been friends and he said and did things that no real fan has forgotten. As Queen has said, he's so transparently fake it's hard to watch. And many of us still hate him because of it. We never believed he deserved to put on the pinstripes. I'm sure the Red Sox fans remember being relieved that they didn't get him (their deal with the Rangers was nixed before the Yankees got him). So criticize us all you want, but we have our reasons. And it goes way beyond his performance on the field. We aren't that fickle.

You're a Yankee fan cheering for the most successful franchise in MLB history. We don't feel sorry for you. If anything, I'm more critical of Boston because of the amount of cheaters on that 2004 team. 86 years of futility fixed with a little help from steroids.

And I appreciate that, but it's still annoying to get undue criticism as a fan base. I certainly don't want anyone to feel sorry for me - I just don't want to be blasted for stupid reasons. We're criticized for booing him and we're criticized for supporting him. There are some battles we just can't win.

He cheated and lied and the public found out. They should never stop booing him.

The same could be said for about 100 other players. Why single out 1 guy? The difference between him and Braun is that ARod is at the end of his career and everyone hates him. If Braun comes back next year and puts up MVP numbers, do you think he'll be booed every at bat?

Braun got off his first appeal by a technicality, but he did get cleared. This second issue was treated like a (1.5)st offense, and he negotiated a deal and is doing his suspension. Alex Rodriguez should be out of baseball permanently depending on who you ask.

Getting away with it on a technicality is not the same thing as being cleared. He cheated. He got caught. He lied about it. He got lucky for a time because the thing was mishandled, but it's clear he cheated.

And yes, I hate the Yankees and all (most) of their fans except Moyank and my hot neighbor. This is not news.

Thanks! For a Red Sox fan, you're not too bad yourself.

Well I guess we know now what A-rod was carrying in his purse when he used it to try to knock the ball out of Arroyo's glove

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I know he got widely criticized for that play, but I played Division 1 softball and we practiced punching the ball out of the glove like that. Honestly, I don't remember if it's against the rules (it probably is), but it's something that we were taught.

 

[rhett7660]

For the record, (real) Yankees fans have hated A-Rod since he was on the Mariners. He was an a** to Derek Jeter after they had been friends and he said and did things that no real fan has forgotten. As Queen has said, he's so transparently fake it's hard to watch. And many of us still hate him because of it. We never believed he deserved to put on the pinstripes. I'm sure the Red Sox fans remember being relieved that they didn't get him (their deal with the Rangers was nixed before the Yankees got him). So criticize us all you want, but we have our reasons. And it goes way beyond his performance on the field. We aren't that fickle.

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Yup I agree. I can't stand the guy, never have never will. It pained me to see him wear the pinstripes. Others like him, which is ok, but I have never liked him.

 

[MacNut]

Yup I agree. I can't stand the guy, never have never will. It pained me to see him wear the pinstripes. Others like him, which is ok, but I have never liked him.

There are a lot of Yankees I never liked, (Kevin Brown) but when the team wins you put aside the hatred of one player for the better of the team. A-Rod is a huge dick, but we are stuck with him and if he helps us win so be it, I don't think we will be doing much winning tho. The season is just about over at this point. I could live with A-Rod being a self absorbed prick on the field. It's the distractions off the field that I don't like. He wants to be a celebrity first ball player later. I often wonder if A-Rod thinks in his head he is right and doesn't realize what a douche he really is. Or is this just an act and he is a normal person behind closed doors.

 

[Queen of Spades]

For the record, (real) Yankees fans have hated A-Rod since he was on the Mariners. He was an a** to Derek Jeter after they had been friends and he said and did things that no real fan has forgotten.

I remember that quite well. That was during the era of the big 3 shortstops - Jeter, A-Rod, and Nomar (sigh).

As Queen has said, he's so transparently fake it's hard to watch. And many of us still hate him because of it. We never believed he deserved to put on the pinstripes. I'm sure the Red Sox fans remember being relieved that they didn't get him (their deal with the Rangers was nixed before the Yankees got him).

Relieved is an understatement.

And I appreciate that, but it's still annoying to get undue criticism as a fan base. I certainly don't want anyone to feel sorry for me - I just don't want to be blasted for stupid reasons. We're criticized for booing him and we're criticized for supporting him. There are some battles we just can't win.

You're right about Yankees fans in general not being able to win here. I feel for you and other fans who have always known he's a giant douche and had to root for him against your will. Then there is that rather large contingent of fans who mocked us when we "lost" out on him 2004, and who were behind in after he suddenly became postseason clutch in 2009.

The best case scenario would probably be for the Yankees to just release him. They'll get 2014 off their books, he'll be out of their hair, but still be shackled financially to his dumb ass until 2017, so we can all be happy.

I know he got widely criticized for that play, but I played Division 1 softball and we practiced punching the ball out of the glove like that. Honestly, I don't remember if it's against the rules (it probably is), but it's something that we were taught.

LOL, don't you even dare! Come on, that was such a b-tch play! I'm kind of amused by it now since we won the championship that year cool and he's remembered as a total loser for it, but I can't imagine the number of TVs that would have been broken had the Yankees gotten that call (which would have been par for the course...yes I'm still bitter about 1999).

All joking aside, though, when you look at A-Rod's career early on, when he was essentially incredible at age 20, it's kind of sad from a baseball standpoint. When he was on the Mariners and less of a d-bag, he was one of the best players I've ever seen.

 

[Moyank24]

LOL, don't you even dare! Come on, that was such a b-tch play! I'm kind of amused by it now since we won the championship that year cool and he's remembered as a total loser for it, but I can't imagine the number of TVs that would have been broken had the Yankees gotten that call (which would have been par for the course...yes I'm still bitter about 1999).

Ohh I know it was a bitch play!! I've been watching baseball since before I could talk and I don't think I've ever seen it done before or since. I did laugh, though, because we definitely practiced it in college. I think it's one of those things that you try, because either way you're probably out.

All joking aside, though, when you look at A-Rod's career early on, when he was essentially incredible at age 20, it's kind of sad from a baseball standpoint. When he was on the Mariners and less of a d-bag, he was one of the best players I've ever seen.

I agree. For a few years I thought we may have been watching someone who could have turned out to be the best that ever played. What a difference a decade makes.

It makes me truly appreciate Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera that much more. Those guys have done and said everything right for almost 2 decades and they have done it with class.

 

[MacDawg]

It makes me truly appreciate Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera that much more. Those guys have done and said everything right for almost 2 decades and they have done it with class.

Have always been a Yankee hater (you are either a lover or hater right?)
But I hate Jeter and Rivera because they are fierce competitors, skilled athletes and game changers for the damn Yankees
I hate A-Rod because he is a liar, a cheater and an overall scum bag
Two different things completely

Quietly the Braves have won 12 in a row and are running away with the East

 

[Queen of Spades]

It makes me truly appreciate Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera that much more. Those guys have done and said everything right for almost 2 decades and they have done it with class.

In situations like this, we really could use a vomit icon.

And I admire your (disgusting) ability to turn any topic into a Yankee love fest.

 

[Moyank24]

Have always been a Yankee hater (you are either a lover or hater right?)
But I hate Jeter and Rivera because they are fierce competitors, skilled athletes and game changers for the damn Yankees
I hate A-Rod because he is a liar, a cheater and an overall scum bag
Two different things completely

Quietly the Braves have won 12 in a row and are running away with the East

Ironically, I've always been a Braves lover. They were super nice to let us walk all over them in 1996 and 1999.

I do understand what you're saying, though. Hatred is a term used a lot in sports, and it's not always a bad thing. Jeter has been saying for years that every time he gets booed at an away game, it's just like hearing cheers at home. Being booed because you're awesome is a different thing than being booed because you're an a**.

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In situations like this, we really could use a vomit icon.

And I admire your (disgusting) ability to turn any topic into a Yankee love fest.

In tough times like these, us Yankees fans have to take anything we can get!

But you know what I mean...For every Manny Ramirez, there's a David Ortiz. It's just makes you appreciate the David Ortiz' so much more. (insert vomit icon)

Now you can't say i've never tried to turn a discussion into a Red Sox love fest. (again insert vomit icon).

 

[MacNut]

I hope MLB finds that John Sterling took PED's and gets suspended from the booth. "Nooney to the mooney" and "Who's Sori now" ugh. That and saying, "A-Rod is supposed to get booed on the road, if Jeter was playing he would get booed too".

How do they let him on the air, the biggest market in the world and these clowns do the games.

 

[HE15MAN]

Go Braves

 

[63dot]

The San Francisco Giants are probably out of it for 2013 but it's nice to see at least Bumgarner and Lincecum pitching well. I guess we will have to have Timmy's no-hitter be our sportscaster's highlight of the Bay Area baseball season unless the American League's fourth best A's do something this year. NFL.com predicts the coming Super Bowl will be the San Francisco 49ers and the Denver Broncos after 50,000 computer simulations. With Kap penciled in for whole season and Manning having thrown one of his best, this is a likely scenario and at least something to help us forget how baseball let us down this year. Though I have given up on Giants in 2013, what could happen and what would be nice is for the A's to go against the Dodgers in the World Series and have the A's sweep them. LA's Kershaw is a vicious pitcher and if our long history of mutually stealing each others' people (Brian Wilson, Dusty Baker) holds up, I would love to see him in a Giants uniform one day. Every single pitcher we have in our Giants' rotation is a proven winner but we just can't get all the cylinders firing at the same time. Our hitters here can scrape something together so I think it's our pitching that has left the team and the Bay Area down.

This season is more like what the Giants are usually like historically and certain streaks and some amazing come from behind games gave us two WS but neither in 2010 nor 2012 did any sane person think San Francisco stood a chance in the postseason.

 

[quagmire]

Tonights fans disgust me. A lot of signs supporting ARod.

Does anyone care that he is a cheating scumbag? Does anyone remember they booed him out of YS during the postseason last year?

 

[MacNut]

Tonights fans disgust me. A lot of signs supporting ARod.

Does anyone care that he is a cheating scumbag? Does anyone remember they booed him out of YS during the postseason last year?

Most of the team got booed last post season. And technically he is not guilty until he loses his appeal. Who knows what he has up his sleeve to make him so confident.

 

[Moyank24]

Tonights fans disgust me. A lot of signs supporting ARod.

Does anyone care that he is a cheating scumbag? Does anyone remember they booed him out of YS during the postseason last year?

So you think they should boo Andy Pettitte also?

They'll boo ARod for his performance on the field soon enough.

 

[quagmire]

Most of the team got booed last post season. And technically he is not guilty until he loses his appeal. Who knows what he has up his sleeve to make him so confident.

From the sound of it, he isn't denying he cheated. He is arguing the punishment is too long.

Until it comes from ARod, that is just based on sources.

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So you think they should boo Andy Pettitte also?

They'll boo ARod for his performance on the field soon enough.

Pettitte isn't a serial user for all we know. And until his reason for using is disproven, I will forgive him for using since he came out and admitted it. But, if he is caught using again, I will turn on him. Just like I did with ARod now. Forgave ARod when caught and he came out and admitted it. Now that has been proven to have been a huge lie, he can burn.

I just don't get how the fans can still like ARod. He has been caught to be a lying SOB. He didn't just use between '01-'03 like he stated. He is a lying cheat. I guess fans or at least Yankee fans don't mind if players use PED's just as long as it gives them a title like it did in '09.....

 

[Moyank24]

From the sound of it, he isn't denying he cheated. He is arguing the punishment is too long.

Until it comes from ARod, that is just based on sources.

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Pettitte isn't a serial user for all we know. And until his reason for using is disproven, I will forgive him for using since he came out and admitted it. But, if he is caught using again, I will turn on him. Just like I did with ARod now. Forgave ARod when caught and he came out and admitted it. Now that has been proven to have been a huge lie, he can burn.

I just don't get how the fans can still like ARod. He has been caught to be a lying SOB. He didn't just use between '01-'03 like he stated. He is a lying cheat. I guess fans or at least Yankee fans don't mind if players use PED's just as long as it gives them a title like it did in '09.....

They're all lying SOB's. Pettitte got caught and then admitted it. He didn't confess and apologize out of the blue.

I thought it very ironic that both starting pitchers in that game on Monday were users (Quintana served a suspension), but the fans in Chicago apparently have selective hatred for steroid users.

It's all hypocritical.

 

[quagmire]

They're all lying SOB's. Pettitte got caught and then admitted it. He didn't confess and apologize out of the blue.

I thought it very ironic that both starting pitchers in that game on Monday were users (Quintana served a suspension), but the fans in Chicago apparently have selective hatred for steroid users.

It's all hypocritical.

But I give Pettitte credit for coming out and admitting it and said why he used when he was caught. If he is clean now and his reason isn't disproven, then I can forgive him.

If he is proven to have cheated again, then he can join ARod.

This will probably be seen as hypocritical/double standards, but in todays game I don't care if it is the first offense. Any player caught can join ARod. Now that MLB is semi-serious about cleaning up the game, if you're stupid to cheat, you can burn.