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All of those analysts are correct, the whole Patriots team are not playing team football but again, how can you/they say Brady carries none of the responsibility? I'm annoyed by all the Brady support not because I dislike him as a QB but because of the free pass he gets.

The Seahawks absolutely embarrassed the Broncos. Who did everyone put the blame on first? Peyton. Your argument is going to be well that whole offense is tops in the league so Peyton deserves all the blame, but that doesn't mean anything if you're completely shut down by the best defense in the league. Is Peyton supposed to magically make his WR's break off press coverage? Is he supposed to magically do something so his RB's don't fumble the ball? I'm not giving excuses to Peyton but the end result is the same as it is for Brady. When Peyton throws an INT, it's all his fault. He shouldn't have thrown it there with that coverage. When Brady throws an INT, it's his receivers fault. His WR didn't know the play. Yes, a Demaryius Thomas is better than anyone the Patriots have but that doesn't mean that his play can't be garbage from time to time and when it does, who gets the blame? Peyton.

All I'm saying is as a QB, you're can only play your position and do what you're supposed to do. If you want to remove any blame on Brady, cool. But you better be doing the same with Peyton because at the end of the day, both Brady and Manning are only there to throw the ball. What happens to that thrown ball falls on the WR.

iLog,

There's no use arguing with him.

Even when I link an article that says what you and I are obviously pointing out, he cherry picks it and comes up with the "dog ate my homework" argument.

Is Brady one of the best QBs out there right now? Possibly. Is Brady in his prime the best in his generation? Yes. Is Brady in his prime the greatest of all time? I say yes.

But...Is Brady not to blame (in this time where he's obviously not in his prime...including last year, too)? I say Brady takes some blame (as you and most everybody else here) and that's where the alternate reality squad comes in and says he does nothing wrong. Some anaylysts put blame on Brady in article while others said he shared in it, but nowhere do they give him a pass like zioxide seems to imply. If zioxide isn't making lame excuses, then he hasn't been good in making himself clear. When Manning flubs, his fans say so and put it on Manning. When my Kap blows it, I am sad but am often the first to admit it. They're human, but something insane about too many Pats fans I have seen will only use reality and common sense with other teams but when looking at Brady they put him into a god status that just looks embarrassing for the rest of us to look at. I applaud his loyalty to his QB, but to put that into a whole set of delusions and place it on this forum is, well again, embarrassing. Yes TB is the GOAT but he's not the same TB that we saw if we see 2013 and 2014 (so far) as the latest play he can produce. He's older, man and that's the breaks. If we go to the alternate universe that follows GOAT sometimes, then why not bring Bonds back to baseball and Jordan back to the NBA?

I remember calling him on not only the time the Giants beat NE twice in Super Bowls, but in an extremely high profile regular season game where Eli again prevailed over TB. The whole world saw that and it even made huge headlines in the Bay Area where Brady is from and has a lot of fans. But somehow, he didn't see that and I had to point it out to him. It's where that loyalty of Brady which becomes so intense that it leads to delusion. Anyway people should Google regular season game Patriots-Giants, 2011.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106017

Basically back in 2011 there was no excuse and Brady didn't bring it, and easily he didn't pull off the regular play he was used to in that season's SB or the 2007 SB. When TB is on, he's the best and GOAT, but he does have the choke factor that any great has at times. It just hits TB more in big games than smaller ones. Only Peyton Manning, together with Brady in latest SBs are 0-4, has those rare chokes in the biggest games. I am a fan of SF Giants and we wrote the book on choke for most of our years out west, and right now seeing the Niners not achieve a Lombardi with Kap is arguably chokesville, too. It happens to all of us on planet earth but never, never to Lord Tom Brady!
 
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In the first 4 weeks of the season, Brady hasn't gotten over 15 points in the Mac OS Fantasy league. I played Blake Bortles instead of Brady last week and he got me more points, 16.6, than Brady has all year.

That said, I think the Patriots as a whole aren't as good of a team this year as they have been in the past. The Chiefs just totally destroyed them last week and they haven't looked good all year in my opinion. While it isn't all Brady's fault, he certainly hasn't played very well either.
 
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In the first 4 weeks of the season, Brady hasn't gotten over 15 points in the Mac OS Fantasy league. I played Blake Bortles instead of Brady last week and he got me more points, 16.6, than Brady has all year.

That said, I think the Patriots as a whole aren't as good of a team this year as they have been in the past. The Chiefs just totally destroyed them last week and they haven't looked good all year in my opinion. While it isn't all Brady's fault, he certainly hasn't played very well either.

It's very hard for a QB to play well with a bad offensive line.

That's what I've seen in Patriot games.. Their front line sucks.
 
In the first 4 weeks of the season, Brady hasn't gotten over 15 points in the Mac OS Fantasy league. I played Blake Bortles instead of Brady last week and he got me more points, 16.6, than Brady has all year.

That said, I think the Patriots as a whole aren't as good of a team this year as they have been in the past. The Chiefs just totally destroyed them last week and they haven't looked good all year in my opinion. While it isn't all Brady's fault, he certainly hasn't played very well either.


I played Dalton over Brady the first 2 weeks and it paid off both times.
 
All of those analysts are correct, the whole Patriots team are not playing team football but again, how can you/they say Brady carries none of the responsibility? I'm annoyed by all the Brady support not because I dislike him as a QB but because of the free pass he gets.

Where did I say Brady doesn't deserve any blame for that loss? He looked like **** on Monday night.. I thought I posted that but my apologies if I wasn't clear enough.

When I said Brady isn't the problem, I mean Brady isn't the problem moving forward with this team this year. He hasn't been good to start the year, but nobody has on this team. Can he play better? I don't see why not, and he needs to step it up big time if this team has any chance this year. Last week's game is in the books, and like Bill said, "we're on to Cincinnati". Brady can rebound from a couple bad games but the team is only going to start winning if the team starts playing better as a whole. If the OL can start some form of blocking and they can get a running game going to open up the field, he'll be alright.

His biggest problem right now is that he keeps rushing his throws even when he does have time because he has no faith whatsoever in his OL. Dude needs to settle down and take control of the pace of the game. That's exactly what Steve Young said and I agree with him.
 
Hey guys... just wondering what you would say about a survivor matchup. Me and a buddy have a shared team and for the first time we don't agree this week. I want to take SF over KC and he wants to take the Broncos over Zona. While Denver is one of my favourite teams, I hate the idea of taking a team off a bye week up against an undefeated team and would rather save the Broncos for next week against the Jets. Any opinions are welcome :cool:


First problem is looking forward to next week. take the Broncos. The Niners just don't have it this year and with Alex Smith returning to play his old team...could be closer than people think. The Cards could pull an upset, but they'd have to do it with Stanton and Stanton would have to throw 3 TDs just to match Peyton's average...I don't see that happening..,go Broncos.
 
That said, I think the Patriots as a whole aren't as good of a team this year as they have been in the past. The Chiefs just totally destroyed them last week and they haven't looked good all year in my opinion. While it isn't all Brady's fault, he certainly hasn't played very well either.
Agreed, this isn't a case where the team has a particular hole that needs to be plugged. They have serious issues everywhere, offensive line, defense, and yes even Brady. He must accept some of the responsibility for the losses as well. He made some really poor choices and he has no right to chew out a receiver when he threw a ball straight to Chief's defenders.
 
Might not be arguing about Brady much longer :

Tension may impact Brady's future :

"Tension exists between Tom Brady and the New England Patriots' coaching staff, and multiple sources told ESPN that they believe it could influence whether the quarterback finishes his career with the team that he has led to three Super Bowl titles."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...gland-patriots-impact-quarterback-future-team
 
Well, seems like the rumors of the Patriots demise have been greatly exaggerated. :cool:

Turns out if your offensive line learns to block and you run the football effectively, you can win football games.
 
It must be Old-guys' day: Brady reached the 50K mark, and Princess P. threw his 500th sixer.
 
Well, seems like the rumors of the Patriots demise have been greatly exaggerated. :cool:

Turns out if your offensive line learns to block and you run the football effectively, you can win football games.
I thought you jumped off the wagon? Seems the dumpster fire was extinguished for the time being.
 
Well, seems like the rumors of the Patriots demise have been greatly exaggerated. :cool:

Turns out if your offensive line learns to block and you run the football effectively, you can win football games.

Agree completely.. Either the Bengals are bad or The Brady Bunch decided to actually play football.
 
It never fails, the Bengals turn to crap when the bright lights are on.... This is why they will probably cruise in to the playoffs only to lose in the first round again
 
I just can't bring myself to pick against my Jets. As much as I hate them, I still love them. :eek:

And how do you feel about them after yesterday's disaster? The QBs were 12 of 31 and the offense was offensive with only 151 yards in the game.:eek:
 
And how do you feel about them after yesterday's disaster? The QBs were 12 of 31 and the offense was offensive with only 151 yards in the game.:eek:

During the preseason prognostications by the talking heads on the sport sites, they repeatedly stated that the Jets have issues but will do ok, especially in comparison of the train wreck known as the Giants.

Given the record at this point, the Giants are looking much better then the Jets. The offense for the Jets looks horrid, and I was surprised how easily chargers were running against the Jets
 
During the preseason prognostications by the talking heads on the sport sites, they repeatedly stated that the Jets have issues but will do ok, especially in comparison of the train wreck known as the Giants.

Given the record at this point, the Giants are looking much better then the Jets. The offense for the Jets looks horrid, and I was surprised how easily chargers were running against the Jets

The Jets need to clean house and start over. Ryan had his chance and can't get it done; ditto for Idzik. As for Geno and Vick? Buh-bye.
 
One of the worst Jets games I have ever seen and that includes the Rich Kotite era error. :D

As I said on Twitter yesterday, this is what $24 million under the salary cap buys you.
 
As I said on Twitter yesterday, this is what $24 million under the salary cap buys you.

I'm no fan of Ryan, but he's only playing with the hand that was dealt with him. I do not get going into the season with so much money left on the table. That's all on the GM.

Either way, the odds of Ryan returning next season are pretty bleak
 
I'm no fan of Ryan, but he's only playing with the hand that was dealt with him. I do not get going into the season with so much money left on the table. That's all on the GM.

Either way, the odds of Ryan returning next season are pretty bleak


I was a big Rex Ryan fan. I've since learned he's a great defensive coordinator and a mediocre head coach. Yeah, this is on Idzik. Not only are we so far under the salary cap, we play free agent WRs despite him drafting 3 in the high rounds since his arrival.
 
I'm no fan of Ryan, but he's only playing with the hand that was dealt with him. I do not get going into the season with so much money left on the table. That's all on the GM.

Either way, the odds of Ryan returning next season are pretty bleak

I agree with you that Ryan isn't solely at fault. That said, he should have been fired with the last GM.
 
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