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2014-15 NFL season thread
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Not really. I mean, you're probably speaking from a place of anger and frustration but no.
I think the last play is overshadowing a really great overall 4th quarter by the Patriots to be in a position to win. 2 TD drives when they absolutely HAD to have them, 28 points hung on the legion of boom, and most overlooked - the Patriots defense holding the Seahawks last four possessions to PUNT, PUNT, PUNT, INT.
Butler made a terrific play with the game on the line. You don't get handed interceptions. Seattle also was the beneficiary of a miracle lucky catch to even be there, but I guess luck only applies to the Patriots.
Yep, and Gronk was playing on an ankle that required surgery in Super Bowl 46, I promise no one felt bad for us or cared. Sherman was only targeted one time anyway, so it's really kind of moot.
Seattle played a great game and gave the Patriots all they could handle. New England just made a couple more plays. Believe me, I've experienced losing two Super Bowls in last minute, heartbreaking fashion so I understand. But you have to give credit where it's due. That was truly two heavyweights going at it. Now I'm off to go broke buying champions gear.
Also: New England is the youngest team to ever win a Super Bowl with an average age of 25.2.
Over/under on how long it takes einmusiker to create the new NFL thread? 12 hours?
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Both QBs showed a lot of class at the end of the game so my hats off to both of them.
Even though it's been reported that Coach Carroll made the incredibly bad call at the end, Russell Wilson took all the blame himself and told reporters in a calm manner.
Brady showed class, too and instead of beating his chest of himself or the team, he said that they've been there twice before where they had the lead late in the 4th in a Super Bowl but were unable to win, but mentioned tonight they made the play. It wasn't all about being compared to the other 4 time QBs, but 1) only holding the late 4th quarter lead successfully only once in the last three attempts and 2) still has a lot of football left in him and wants to play on. A quitter would call it quits and say it's been all done, but Brady wants to do more than just this and seriously even things up. I think he won't be happy unless he's in another late 4th quarter and sees his team make another successful stand to hold off a 4th quarter comeback from an opponent. He cares not just about what he does but how his defense does since it's a team sport.
The Patriots have four SB wins but also have four SB losses and I don't think Belichick or Brady are going to be happy only having gone to .500. Somebody will be there at coach and quarterback when the New England Patriots one day say they have more Super Bowl wins than Super Bowl losses and I assume both want to be there when that happens.
There's a long way to go with the Cowboys and Niners with both five rings and more wins in the Super Bowl than losses, and the Steelers with six rings out of eight visits to big game. It's plausible that Belichick and Brady can tie on that 5th Super Bowl win and go over .500 for Patriots big games, and catch the Cowboys and Niners. I think what has been unfolded to the two is that there is still more work to be done and it will be more compelling and urgent to get that Super Bowl win next year or in next few years.
Does Belichick want to be put in the same sentence as Don Schula when it comes to being called the ultimate NFL coach? Does Brady want to be synonymous with football in the way Jordan was to basketball or Tiger Woods to golf? I should hope so. Belichick needs 250 wins to be a legend imho and Brady needs to stay steady and at least get within spitting distance of Manning and Favre on yards and touchdowns. Barring injury, I think this is possible.
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THIS. Thank you for finally pointing out what everybody missed.
Russell Wilson may be new, but he's a QB stud from hell and it's a great accomplishment for any team to hold Wilson to P, P, P, INT. ****** people, think about this for one ***** second! WTF, man. Everybody played within their regular numbers of scoring or keeping others from scoring, but one went above and beyond the call of duty. Gee, I wonder who that was?
Had it been a Steeler's SB win yesterday and it was P, P, P, INT done by their defense, then all the news agencies would be calling this the new Steel Curtain. Oh yeah, and the Pats also took down a slightly more than mobile Russell Wilson four times, too. The legion of boom and the Steel Curtain was the Pat's D last night and honestly, throughout the playoffs. For any group of people (offense, defense, coaches, special teams), the Pat's D put on as a group the most amazing set of plays above and beyond what they usually do. It was stepping up and getting into the zone in a way for the ages. I may get in trouble for this, or heavily flamed/PM'd, but for Boston lore and American sports lore in general, this Pat's D should be up there with the 2004 ALCS Boston Red Sox!!
Even though it's been reported that Coach Carroll made the incredibly bad call at the end, Russell Wilson took all the blame himself and told reporters in a calm manner.
Brady showed class, too and instead of beating his chest of himself or the team, he said that they've been there twice before where they had the lead late in the 4th in a Super Bowl but were unable to win, but mentioned tonight they made the play. It wasn't all about being compared to the other 4 time QBs, but 1) only holding the late 4th quarter lead successfully only once in the last three attempts and 2) still has a lot of football left in him and wants to play on. A quitter would call it quits and say it's been all done, but Brady wants to do more than just this and seriously even things up. I think he won't be happy unless he's in another late 4th quarter and sees his team make another successful stand to hold off a 4th quarter comeback from an opponent. He cares not just about what he does but how his defense does since it's a team sport.
The Patriots have four SB wins but also have four SB losses and I don't think Belichick or Brady are going to be happy only having gone to .500. Somebody will be there at coach and quarterback when the New England Patriots one day say they have more Super Bowl wins than Super Bowl losses and I assume both want to be there when that happens.
There's a long way to go with the Cowboys and Niners with both five rings and more wins in the Super Bowl than losses, and the Steelers with six rings out of eight visits to big game. It's plausible that Belichick and Brady can tie on that 5th Super Bowl win and go over .500 for Patriots big games, and catch the Cowboys and Niners. I think what has been unfolded to the two is that there is still more work to be done and it will be more compelling and urgent to get that Super Bowl win next year or in next few years.
Does Belichick want to be put in the same sentence as Don Schula when it comes to being called the ultimate NFL coach? Does Brady want to be synonymous with football in the way Jordan was to basketball or Tiger Woods to golf? I should hope so. Belichick needs 250 wins to be a legend imho and Brady needs to stay steady and at least get within spitting distance of Manning and Favre on yards and touchdowns. Barring injury, I think this is possible.
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THIS. Thank you for finally pointing out what everybody missed.
Russell Wilson may be new, but he's a QB stud from hell and it's a great accomplishment for any team to hold Wilson to P, P, P, INT. ****** people, think about this for one ***** second! WTF, man. Everybody played within their regular numbers of scoring or keeping others from scoring, but one went above and beyond the call of duty. Gee, I wonder who that was?
Had it been a Steeler's SB win yesterday and it was P, P, P, INT done by their defense, then all the news agencies would be calling this the new Steel Curtain. Oh yeah, and the Pats also took down a slightly more than mobile Russell Wilson four times, too. The legion of boom and the Steel Curtain was the Pat's D last night and honestly, throughout the playoffs. For any group of people (offense, defense, coaches, special teams), the Pat's D put on as a group the most amazing set of plays above and beyond what they usually do. It was stepping up and getting into the zone in a way for the ages. I may get in trouble for this, or heavily flamed/PM'd, but for Boston lore and American sports lore in general, this Pat's D should be up there with the 2004 ALCS Boston Red Sox!!
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Who would I rather have lead my team for a season? Tom Brady 10/10 times. Belichick is a mastermind but let's knock Tom Brady's accomplishments because of that? No. If you said the same thing about Montana with his no salary cap era, bill Walsh, and his team lined with pro bowlers Id take you more seriously.
In any case, pats did get lucky because of the last play call, but butler still had to make that pick. Great play. I've seen 19-0 get snatched from the pats on the luckiest play ever so it goes both ways. Manningham catch was less luck.
There are 30 teams out there shaking their heads at this debate. I am sitting here scratching my genitals over this one.
Among all the greats, if SB wins or yards/TDs are used as any measure, then those 30 teams would be more than happy with Manning or Brady, even at their ages now. I am not sure but in a couple years time I think every regular and postseason QB record of yards, TDs, completion percentage, third down conversions, and QB efficiency will be owned by these two guys.
Well, the Patriots are 4-2 in Super Bowls under Brady/Belichick. Can't blame them for the sins of Patriots past - including the Super Bowl in '97 when I was a wee lass (FU Brett Favre
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I am curious to see if the Seahawks can pay Russell Wilson and also get him a better receiving corps to throw to, in addition to keeping Marshawn Lynch. It gets harder and harder to keep winning teams together when it's time for everyone to cash in. Baldwin, Lockette, and Matthews just isn't going to scare anyone and I think they invest in offense in the draft.
Their defense will keep them winning for awhile, regardless. And here's a look at what Wilson saw. Can't fault him, this is a TD 9/10. Again, Butler made a great play.
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It is. It's hard to rank them, but this victory is for sure up there with greatest Boston championships simply due to all the BS this franchise has dealt with since the last Super Bowl. 2004 World Series is my #1, but I would absolutely put this one alongside the first Super Bowl victory in SB 36. No doubt about it. It's validation, it's the **** you championship, and it's putting to bed the near misses in the last two Super Bowls.
We're just really fortunate as fans, especially considering we're not the ones out there pouring our blood, sweat, and tears into the game.
You have seen fortunate and good things, but be ready for great things. I have just three words: Ortiz, Ramirez, Sandoval. It has all the makings of a historical Mantle/Maris/Howard or Ruth/Gehrig/Lazzeri.
There may be a few people out there on the east coast who have no clue but out west they helped win divisions and titles:
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Speak for yourself! As a Jet's fan, there is plenty of blood, sweat, and tears involved in watching every game. Mostly tears.
I have just one word. Gag.
I have just one word. Gag.
Hey in your time you had Jeter, Martinez, O'Neill so it's about time somebody else can have that type of hitting fun.
And you also had Teixeira, Jeter, A-Rod, too.
Your bb team has 5 rings in 14 years, so shut up!
Sometimes when my team wins and it's because it's lights out pitching, that's fun and I will take the win. But it's really exciting when you have your batters lighting up the score board. Just like a great D like the Pats' D who won the Super Bowl (imho) wasn't as fun as Brady throwing a game winning touchdown with 4 seconds left, baseball fans love to see some bats swinging and runners rounding the bases while the crowd goes crazy. You can only get so hyped when your pitcher takes out their sixth straight batter but it's really something when half of your lineup starts hitting doubles and home runs. It fires up the team to hit more and energizes defense when those batters are all out there manning the bases and outfield. Momentum is more key in baseball than anything I can think of and having three guys in a lineup who can hit really makes up for a lot of sins committed elsewhere.
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i love kung fu panda but his power is very spotty. maybe he won't be that way with that short porch in left.
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Not really. I mean, you're probably speaking from a place of anger and frustration but no.
I think the last play is overshadowing a really great overall 4th quarter by the Patriots to be in a position to win. 2 TD drives when they absolutely HAD to have them, 28 points hung on the legion of boom, and most overlooked - the Patriots defense holding the Seahawks last four possessions to PUNT, PUNT, PUNT, INT.
Butler made a terrific play with the game on the line. You don't get handed interceptions. Seattle also was the beneficiary of a miracle lucky catch to even be there, but I guess luck only applies to the Patriots.
Yep, and Gronk was playing on an ankle that required surgery in Super Bowl 46, I promise no one felt bad for us or cared. Sherman was only targeted one time anyway, so it's really kind of moot.
Seattle played a great game and gave the Patriots all they could handle. New England just made a couple more plays. Believe me, I've experienced losing two Super Bowls in last minute, heartbreaking fashion so I understand. But you have to give credit where it's due. That was truly two heavyweights going at it. Now I'm off to go broke buying champions gear.
Also: with the exception of Tom Brady, New England is the youngest team to ever win a Super Bowl.
Over/under on how long it takes einmusiker to create the new NFL thread? 12 hours?
i enjoyed the game. the bit at the end was pretty classless by SEA.
p.s. just hand the ball to lynch...
If not for that lucky catch by Kearse, the game would have ended with a lot less drama.
In fairness, I was originally very upset at the play call. But later I read that Lynch is less than 50% on rush attempts from that close to the goal line. I guess the offensive coordinator was playing the percentages, and unfortunately Wilson forced the ball somewhere where it shouldn't have been.
But then, second-guessing myself again, I wonder what the percentages are on a Wilson pass from the one, where all the defenders are packed to closely together. That might not be very high either.
Arrrgh. We'll all (Seahawks fans especially) be second-guessing this one for a loooong time to come.
Nine times out of ten, with such limited time, this is how the game would have ended. Almost any team would have marched part way down the field and time would run out.
The Pats put on a great defense and Kearse got extremely lucky. But later on when Seahawks made the stupidest call in Super Bowl history, considering Beast Mode in the game with 18 inches to go, the Patriots got extremely lucky.
But this is not to take away from the excellent job the Patriots put on with their undecorated and still unnoticed defense. I am still waiting for somebody in football land to properly give credit to the amazing job the Pat's defense put on. This should have totally dominated the talk of the post game announcers and analysts but it was all about Brady's two losses and the great comeback, Sherman's reaction to the game, and the bad call by Carroll to throw the ball. This would be like commenting on a 4-0 baseball game by talking about a baseball manager's extramarital affair, the baseball team's new uniforms, a few good double plays, but totally ignore a batter hitting four solo home run shots. While all the Patriots are happy right now, when reality sinks in I would be pissed as a Patriot's defensive player being that ignored by all the press right after a game where my efforts made THE difference.
John Madden, the winningest coach in NFL history, commented many times that the better defense wins games. Two days ago, the Pats had the better defense.
Better check again. Madden isn't anywhere close to being the winningest coach in NFL history.
I should have clarified, percentage wise. I think Schula has the most wins. My bad.
Shula does have the most wins, 347. Madden had 103. Madden or Lombardi have the highest winning percentage depending on the minimum number of games coached being used to determine the ranking.
I don't know about that. How often does he catch balls like that?
Though lucky, imho, it was still amazing to watch. If you want to see amazing, check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMuUBZ_DAeM
But stoopid amazing here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps2Swv8dhu4
There was at least some skill in both those plays, but the real luck happened when Pete Carroll had a serious brain fart.
...at least lucky for Patriots
The catch wasn't all luck, but the luck was the way the ball bounced 3 times off his various body parts and fell into his lap.
Boooourns.
But I guess I am happy for you....mutters to self.
that must really chap your ass to have to congratulate a patriots fan
anywho, ive been too busy with life and watching my team win a super bowl to be posting around these parts lately, but I just wanted to stop by quickly to rub it in a little bit
so, to summarize:
1- suck it, pats haters
2- Brady = G.O.A.T.
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Seriously though, that was a hell of a game. Down to the wire like a championship should be (not like the princess ******** his pants last year) and it was clearly the two best teams. When Kearse made that ridiculous catch everyone in the room I was watching the game was like "no ****ing way, not again".. but alas, the Patriots defense was able to make a play and close it out this time (thank you Malcolm Butler.) Enjoy the offseason everyone
She is a die hard fan, we have a constant ribbing going on. I will congratulate her as a fan, I could care less about the team. That doesn't mean I won't take away the celebration real fans are having. Do I think the Patriots are a bunch of liars and cheats, you bet.that must really chap your ass to have to congratulate a patriots fan
But Seattle blew it fair and square.