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Amazing game. Most amazing Boston sports win since the '04 ALCS. Sadly, Mike Kensil's smear campaign appears to have worked. No matter what is and has been revealed about the deflated footballs, no matter what the league says in the end, the haters will remain convinced that the Patriots won this one by cheating. I could list any number of facts, and it would make no difference. ESPN and NFL Network went for the ratings and made "deflategate" an exponentially bigger deal than it should have ever been. It's sickening to see ex-players, many of whom benefited from "cheating" themselves, getting up on a soapbox and sermonizing, but they know the haters just lap it up.
 
Congrats. Seriously..

The game was handed to you on a silver platter.

Patriots deserved it.

The game was handed to them?

How about ... the game was taken from the Seahawks?

Wilson didn't walk up and hand the Patriots that ball. And the Seahawks didn't simply allow the Patriots to score two touchdowns in the last half of the fourth quarter.

No. The Seahawks did not hand this game to the Patriots.

The Patriots took it.
 
The game was handed to you on a silver platter.

They were down by 10 points going into the 4th quarter. They were not handed the game. They clawed their way back into the lead and their defense stopped the Seahawks. Yes, I think it was a really poor play choice and poor execution on Seattle's part on the 1 yard line, but don't take anything away from the Patriots. They played hard and refused to give up.
 
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nope. tell me again how belichick threw 328 yards 37 completions (superbowl record) and 4 tds against the best defense in the last 3 years in the superbowl, also being 9/9 on the last td drive to put them ahead
Would Brady of had those same numbers had he spent his career with Jacksonville?
 
That last interception against Seatlle was an incredible play. The ball was well thrown and would have been a touchdown except the other player just took it away from the intended receiver! :eek:

Maybe in football, like baseball, the officials need to keep custody and be responsible for the balls.
 
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Of course not, and Steve Young wouldn't be a hall of famer if he stayed with Tampa Bay - what's your point?
That most of is success was the players and coach around him. I would argue that had Brady been in New England without Belichick he still would not have been the player he is. Sure he is a great QB, but only with a great system around him. Throw a lot of pressure around him and he isn't as great. Look at what the Giants did to him in 2 Superbowls.
 
That most of is success was the players and coach around him. I would argue that had Brady been in New England without Belichick he still would not have been the player he is. Sure he is a great QB, but only with a great system around him. Throw a lot of pressure around him and he isn't as great. Look at what the Giants did to him in 2 Superbowls.

The Seahawks got plenty of pressure on him last night. How'd that go?
 
No, he wasn't sacked on the two 4th quarter drives because he was able to deal with the collapsing pocket. No sacks, but he got hit a LOT.
The Giants had him on his back more than Madonna at an NBA game.
 
That most of is success was the players and coach around him. I would argue that had Brady been in New England without Belichick he still would not have been the player he is. Sure he is a great QB, but only with a great system around him.
Agreed, its not just one person, its personal they draft around him, the system that is developed. No doubt without Walsh as coach and Rice in SF, Joe Montana would not have all those rings.

Throw a lot of pressure around him and he isn't as great. Look at what the Giants did to him in 2 Superbowls.
I disagree, the pressure going into the 4 quarter against the number 1 rated defense in the NFL was high, and look what he did. Look at the pressure he was under when they lost against KC and everyone was saying he was washed up. He rose to the occasion and performed as a champion would. Without scoring those 14 points in the 4th quarter, that interception with 40 seconds is meaningless. Its because Brady moved the ball and put 14 points on the score board mean the Pats defense needed to rise up to the occasion
 
The Giants had him on his back more than Madonna at an NBA game.

Okay, so you're just here to remind us that the Giants beat the Patriots in two Super Bowls. Congrats. Of course, it took the luckiest catch I've ever seen until last night and a wide-open Wes Welker dropping a pass that hit him in the numbers for that to happen, but I guess we're only counting lucky breaks if they go the Patriots' way.
 
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Okay, so you're just here to remind us that the Giants beat the Patriots in two Super Bowls. Congrats. Of course, it took the luckiest catch I've ever seen until last night and a wide-open Wes Welker dropping a pass that hit him in the numbers for that to happen, but I guess we're only counting lucky breaks if they go the Patriots' way.

I didnt know players had their numbers high over their heads and to the right

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OMG, made my day and hoping one day before he retires, Sherman can say that the current squad SF 49ers also have four (more) rings!

There's a lot of debate here on Brady doing well (4 TDs), doing poorly (2 picks), NE defense being good with pressure and 4 sacks on Wilson, NE defense merely being lucky with last play, but they are all true and NE won so it's fair on this game.

The cheating thing, on AFC championship game, won't go away that easily and it's possible, whether fair or not, that Brady and/or Belichick will get fined heavily. It's also possible that an assistant deflated one or more balls w/o anybody else being involved but stupid NFL would throw all in same category and end up going against Brady and Belichick.

Now it's on to baseball and things will be much more compelling in that sport, especially for Boston. Where the steroid fueled big hitters or high average Ichiro gave way to pitchers being the heroes (Lincecum, Hamels, Lee, Baumgarner, Shields, Verlander, Scherzer, Lester, etc), the emphasis could be on hitting again.

Leading the way into a batter led league again will be the Boston Red Sox. This could be the most interesting team since 2004. How big? Perhaps 100 games in 2015 with largest contribution coing from three hitters.

They could have Papi batting #3, Hanley Ramirez at #4, and Pablo Sandoval at #5 in their lineup. This could be THE story in baseball and take pitchers off the sports headlines for the first time in many years. Imagine a 3 ring home run hitter from the Red Sox dynasty, followed by a guy who may not be the big hitter but has best average of three taken from red hot LA Dodgers, followed by another 3 ring power hitter in SF's former hero, Pablo Sandoval. The Red Sox, no matter how their pitching turns out to be, will be a very, very scary team to pitch against. The perceived weakest of these three still happens to have a .300 career batting average and still end a career with 2,500 hits.

I had to educate a Pats/Celtics fan on just how big this could be for his Boston. The Celtics had their day, the Pats won 3 out of 4 after the century turned, but what can come to his city has the potential for being the biggest thing ever. I smell a three-peat as a distinct possibility. Yeah, he knows Papi and how great he is, but what the Red Sox in essence has for 2015 in terms of point generation is now three Papis.

The scenario for a lot of games can be like this:

Papi is up to bat. Solo home run or maybe 2 run homer.

Ramirez either knocking in Papi if Papi only had a double/triple and getting on base himself.

Sandoval getting a two run homer and bringing himself and Ramirez to home plate.

This point generation alone can win many games, especially if we are talking about 4 points being scored. This gives a huge leeway for Boston's pitchers and a rotation of even 4-ish ERA pitchers can still win the game.
 
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That most of is success was the players and coach around him. I would argue that had Brady been in New England without Belichick he still would not have been the player he is. Sure he is a great QB, but only with a great system around him. Throw a lot of pressure around him and he isn't as great. Look at what the Giants did to him in 2 Superbowls.

Brady has played with 6 pro bowlers over his career while 21 for manning yet the latter has 1 ring and the former now has 4. Pick another excuse.

Sorry he's not a lovable loser like every other QB in this league
 

You see that arm ?

It had 3 torn ligaments in it while he was holding that hand up.

He is due for surgery later.

As far as handing the game to the patriots I was referring to the WORST play calling I have ever seen in a Super Bowl on that 2nd and goal on the one yard line with 2 time-outs and Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2350553-questionable-play-call-costs-seahawks-super-bowl-victory

"We can talk about Tom Brady taking over this game in the fourth quarter, or point to multiple other situations where the Seahawks left opportunities on the field as the main reason they failed to close out the Patriots on Sunday night.

However, on the game's biggest stage, at its most crucial moment, the Seahawks made the decision to take the ball out of Lynch's hands.

And it cost them a title."

furthermore Pete Carroll should be investigated for "doctoring" an injury report.

Sherman was said to have a simple elbow strain in the official injury report.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...rback-richard-sherman-need-tommy-john-surgery

For the sake of the lost integrity of NFL football I hope both teams are throughly investigated for the BS both coaches did.
 
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You see that arm ?

It had 3 torn ligaments in it while he was holding that hand up.

He is due for surgery later.

As far as handing the game to the patriots I was referring to the WORST play calling I have ever seen in a Super Bowl on that 2nd and goal on the one yard line with 2 time-outs and Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2350553-questionable-play-call-costs-seahawks-super-bowl-victory

"We can talk about Tom Brady taking over this game in the fourth quarter, or point to multiple other situations where the Seahawks left opportunities on the field as the main reason they failed to close out the Patriots on Sunday night.

However, on the game's biggest stage, at its most crucial moment, the Seahawks made the decision to take the ball out of Lynch's hands.

And it cost them a title."

furthermore Pete Carroll should be investigated for "doctoring" an injury report.

Sherman was said to have a simple elbow strain in the official injury report.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...rback-richard-sherman-need-tommy-john-surgery

For the sake of the lost integrity of NFL football I hope both teams are throughly investigated for the BS both coaches did.

I agree and the NFL has become a bag of dirty tricks.

Here's my take on Brady and lack of kudos to Patriot's spirited defense and their plays: The press likes to take Tom Brady's three amazing wins 2001-2004 seasons, then two awful losses, and top it off with the so-called 4th quarter comeback and redemption. The NFL site initially said Perfect: 4 TDs, NO INTERCEPTIONS and that was their excitement in old man making good one more time. It makes for good copy. It was not unlike the news trying to jump a story too early before dust settled when they said President Reagan was assassinated. The excitement for Brady at that stupid Wilson botched pass was as if the Pats never had those heartbreaking Super Bowl losses in 2007 and 2011 seasons. There was actually the fact of a Brady interception, two really, and the Pats had an amazing defensive game and the usually uncatchable Russell Wilson got sacked four times!! For those of us watching we saw all this but the NFL story writers were so hot to get "some" facts and get the story out first.

But yes, painfully so, the real POINT of the whole game came to the incredibly stupid or egotistical move of having Russell freakin' pass the ball on the 1/2 yard line. WTF?

While as a 49er fan I want to say this is the end for you, it's merely a typical loss that a real NFL dynasty has to face. The past dynasty (2001-2004) Pats simply said "not yet" to the next dynasty (you guys) from blossoming.

Before it's all over and Wilson, Carroll, and Sherman are out sunning themselves in retirement in their mansions (while most of us are either renting or still paying for our first house), your Seahawks will be like the 2001-2005 Patriots dynasty with at least two Super Bowl rings (maybe three) over a four year period of time within probably four straight postseasons and three Super Bowl appearances, maybe even four. You will of course take the division next year and the year after that, and several more times before your core are retired. You guys are the up and coming dynasty and if anything, this stupid loss will ensure that 1/2 yard line mistake will never happen again.

My prediction based on what I have seen in past years is Seahawks versus Colts in next Super Bowl. The AFC will pass the "best" torch from Pats and Broncos to Colts and maybe somebody new. Being near SF, I don't make friends saying these types of things, but you guys are a dynasty, win or lose, and will beat us more than we beat you over next five or ten years. I call them like I see them and unless somebody else gets a hold of some of your key assets, we will be suffering over here in SF with no known entity for coach. Die hard 49ers fans who have no sense of reality think that San Francisco will just get into a winning season (as was case with Harbaugh) and seriously challenge Seattle again. How, really? If I really pay attention to what I said, I should put money on all this. I predicted Colts and you guys, if you went down to Patriots, would all be determined by Patriots defense. So far no big news stories on Patriot's defense and had it been the 70's Steel Curtain, four sacks and a goal line stand would have made for a legendary year.
 
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Brady has played with 6 pro bowlers over his career while 21 for manning yet the latter has 1 ring and the former now has 4. Pick another excuse.

Sorry he's not a lovable loser like every other QB in this league
Manning is washed up at this point. But can we just say rings make the player. Dan Marino never got to a Superbowl so does that make him a bum?

Overall career I think Payton is the more rounded QB, in the playoffs he turns into a pumpkin. Payton on any team gives them an automatic 9 wins, even if he is old.
 
Manning is washed up at this point. But can we just say rings make the player. Dan Marino never got to a Superbowl so does that make him a bum?

Overall career I think Payton is the more rounded QB, in the playoffs he turns into a pumpkin. Payton on any team gives them an automatic 9 wins, even if he is old.

Manning's not washed up, he had a pretty big quad injury that game. I agree superbowl rings aren't the ONLY measure, but they are a pretty big part including Superbowl MVPs (performance in the biggest stage). Dan Marino will never be mentioned in the top 5 qbs of all time because he didn't earn a ring despite being one of the best passers ever.

Based on what do you say Peyton is more rounded? Please I'd like an answer to that. His 9 1 and done's in the playoffs don't speak well to that. Brady vs Manning debate is over; it's been over for a while, but now it's stamped.
 
Manning's not washed up, he had a pretty big quad injury that game. I agree superbowl rings aren't the ONLY measure, but they are a pretty big part including Superbowl MVPs (performance in the biggest stage). Dan Marino will never be mentioned in the top 5 qbs of all time because he didn't earn a ring despite being one of the best passers ever.

Based on what do you say Peyton is more rounded? Please I'd like an answer to that. His 9 1 and done's in the playoffs don't speak well to that. Brady vs Manning debate is over; it's been over for a while, but now it's stamped.
I agree that debate is over. But who would you rather have to lead your team for a season. Payton can run the offense on his own. Some would say he doesn't even need a coach. Brady relies on Belichick, and it works for him. I would love to see how he handles another coach. To much credit is given to Brady when Belichick is the mastermind. They might be the greatest tandem in NFL history.
 
As far as handing the game to the patriots I was referring to the WORST play calling I have ever seen in a Super Bowl on that 2nd and goal on the one yard line with 2 time-outs and Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.

One time-out left when Marshawn took it to the one yard line. That does make a little bit of a difference.
 
I know it's the nature of sports, but all this "arm chair QB'ing" is hilarious. The game went down the way the game went down. Coaches made big decisions, players played the best they could, and Refs made calls. We can "if and but" all we want to but it won't change anything. At this point all we can do is give credit where credit is due.

I think Brady and Wilson both played well. Brady put together an incredible comeback in the 4th quarter overcoming some earlier mistakes and put his team in a position to win. Wilson made big plays with both his arm and his feet and put his team in a position to win.

I think both coaches had good game plans and made some gutsy calls. Carroll knew that Belichick would try to take out his weapons and his team had great success with big plays to a rookie WR. Matthews deserves some credit folks. His break out was on the biggest possible stage there is. Carroll didn't abondon the run when the Patriots had early success stopping Lynch. Belichick used the short passing game to move the ball well against the tough Seattle D and kept the run in the mix to keep them honest and not make his team too one dimensional.

As far as the end of the game goes I think both coaches made tough decisions. After that crazy Kearse catch put the Seahawks on the goal line Belichick didn't panic and call a time out like many coaches would, assuming that Seattle was going to score and trying to save time to get in Field Goal range. By not doing this he put all the pressure on Carroll and the Seahawks forcing them to think about time management. Like Carrol said they were thinking about having all four downs to work with and he didn't want to burn a timeout if they didn't have too. Keep in mind they lost a timeout earlier in the drive when they couldn't get a play off before the play clock expired. Belichick went goal line run defense expecting a heavy dose of Lynch and Carroll admitted that he wanted to not waste a down by running straight into that so they opted for a passing option. No doubt, this was also an appealing option because of the time pressure and the fact that an incomplete pass would stop the clock. The quick slant pass option the Seahawks attempted is a common play and had a good chance of success, but the Pats D defended it well and Butler made an incredible play in jumping the route. Both coaches took gambles and it only paid off for one of them. As is always the case, if the catch would have been made for a TD then everyone would be praising Carroll for his superb play call and labeling him a genius for his misdirection. I also love how everyone just assumes that if Lynch had gotten the ball that he would have scored. The Pats D were in a run stopping goal line formation and had seen success in stopping Lynch some of the night. It's very possible that Lynch could have been stopped or even taken a loss on the play and with 20 seconds on the clock and 1 timeout that's risky.

I thoroughly enjoyed the game and was so pleased that it was competitive. As a sports fan, that's all I can ask for. :)
 
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