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2014 Formula 1 Thread

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NukeIT said:
That's what I saw too. He squeezed the inside car. Of course he blames everyone but himself in the post race interview and even throws in the excuse that his teammate was beside him so he couldn't see mag on the inside. That doesn't excuse turning in blind.

Pretty dick move to also try and throw your weight as a veteran and blame it on the inexperienced drivers not taking due caution.
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It was Massa's fault. You can't make a dive like that in the first corner of the first lap of a race. Massa has been in a lot of incidents this year, most not technically his fault. He just doesn't seem to be able to drive around trouble like Alonso or most of the other experienced drivers though.

I had high hopes for Massa this year but Bottas has deservedly outshined him.
 
So racing for a German team, Hamilton seems to be catching all the bad luck. Coincidence? I'm not so sure.
That are now guaranteed to get all the air time with Lewis coming through the field, and the win with Nico up front.
Good effort from Bottas again. In an effort to keep the championship close, hoping for a DNF from Nico, and maybe a Williams win?
Also the weather may well play a part again.
 
That was quite an interesting practice session and opening qualifying session too. Lots of guys having trouble with the slippery track and brake lockups, not to mention fires!
 
Apple fanboy said:
So racing for a German team, Hamilton seems to be catching all the bad luck. Coincidence? I'm not so sure.
That are now guaranteed to get all the air time with Lewis coming through the field, and the win with Nico up front.
Good effort from Bottas again. In an effort to keep the championship close, hoping for a DNF from Nico, and maybe a Williams win?
Also the weather may well play a part again.
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nico 2nd bottas wins.

but that ain't likely.

nico wins, vettel 2nd, bottas 3rd. lewie 7th.
 
impressive race today.

hard to pick a 'best racer of the day'

i think I have to go with alonso, as he did half a miracle finishing the race there, let alone keeping the mercedes behind.
however, a strong argument can be also made for Ricciardo and Hamilton

possibly the best ever race at hungaroring

the only blemish, another poorly called race on cnbc
 
pachyderm said:
nico wins, vettel 2nd, bottas 3rd. lewie 7th.
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Wow, how wrong we're we!

Great race again today. Riccardo was outstanding, Alonso was outstanding, Lewis was even more outstanding. So glad he didn't pull over for Nico. Why should he? He had got up there on skills after another poor team performance on Saturday. Good on him.
It would have been nice to have a bit more rain for Button's gamble to pay off.
Vettel was very lucky not to have lost it completely. Cool as a cucumber.
Perez showing his usual form as well.
So much going on today.
Only downside from today is the summer break :(
 
That was a great race. Impressive driving by Ricardo there at the end going from third to first.

How long is the summer break?
 
• Summer break is far too long, 3-4 weeks? I don't like it.

• NBCs coverage is fine, fully acceptable and comparable to BBC's coverage*

• Rossberg can be a whiner, who knew?

• Great jobs by Alonso, Riccardio and of course Hammy. Pit lane to podium - awesome!

• The amount of exciting, wheel-to-wheel and nose-to-tail racing has been outstanding. A longstanding criticism of F1 has been that it turns into a parade - not so much this year.

* I haven't managed to find a Sky stream or download to compare against the BBC/NBC, pointers welcome. I do note that Sky is very pricey - NBC not so much.
 
pachyderm said:
loved it!

did nico whine? i had to go to work as soon as the race was over. haven't heard anything post race.
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During the race, basically asking his race engineer why Hamilton wasn't letting him by. Sounds innocent enough, but he was 10-15 car lengths back and in no position to pass whatsoever.
 
smithrh said:
During the race, basically asking his race engineer why Hamilton wasn't letting him by. Sounds innocent enough, but he was 10-15 car lengths back and in no position to pass whatsoever.
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"Dear God, I have been a good man for 50 years, i have honored you and followed your rules to the letter for my entire life, I have done everything it was ever asked of me and the only one thing I have been asking you is to win the lottery once. i asked you every day for 30 years, and yet, i have never won"
"My Dearest son, I have appreciated all you have done, and i have listened to all your prayers, including your daily query to win the lottery. I would be truly happy to help you win, ... but can you at least buy ONE ticket?"
 
smithrh said:
• Summer break is far too long, 3-4 weeks? I don't like it.

• Rossberg can be a whiner, who knew?

• The amount of exciting, wheel-to-wheel and nose-to-tail racing has been outstanding. A longstanding criticism of F1 has been that it turns into a parade - not so much this year.
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Taken a bit out of context. Rosberg and Mercedes have both said the team order came from Merc and Rosberg simply asked why Lewis wasn't letting him through since they told him they issued the team order to let him by. If Rosberg was all over Lewis you would have heard him whine - this was not the case yesterday.

It was definitely an exciting race! The weather mixed with how difficult it is to pass in Hungary contributed to the excitement. On most other tracks, both Mercs get by quite easily and Rosberg wins. Barring any other incidents it should be a Merc 1-2 in Spa.
 
Alonso's last pit stop: 2.5 seconds
Lewis' last pit stop: 4.1 seconds

The difference in the race for Hamilton. Mercedes seems to mess up Lewis' pit stops much more often than Nico's.

1) I don't understand how William's bungled that mid-race round of pit stops so badly. Dropping Bottas from 2nd to 13th was a disaster.
2) Old prime tires should have more grip than old options. Ferrari must have made great strides in mechanical grip to keep that car ahead of Mercedes.
 
randian said:
Alonso's last pit stop: 2.5 seconds
Lewis' last pit stop: 4.1 seconds

The difference in the race for Hamilton. Mercedes seems to mess up Lewis' pit stops much more often than Nico's.

1) I don't understand how William's bungled that mid-race round of pit stops so badly. Dropping Bottas from 2nd to 13th was a disaster.
2) Old prime tires should have more grip than old options. Ferrari must have made great strides in mechanical grip to keep that car ahead of Mercedes.
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I think the track helped level the field. Shame though as it would be good if some of the teams were a bit closer to Mercedes.
 
this race showed one again that the only "gimmick" they need to have exciting races is to eliminate/reform qualis, completely or in part.

start cars in GC inverse order, and then you have a "hamilton charge" at every race, by multiple pilots.

or just limit that to cars that qualify for Q3, or a hybrid "handicap" system where quali times are weighted on position (e.g.: average of quali result ranking and GC position).
but the bottom line is, when the fastest cars don't start already in front, you have great races

then you can eliminate DRS, compulsory tyre changes and other stuff to artificially make the race interesting
 
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Apple fanboy said:
...Lewis was even more outstanding. So glad he didn't pull over for Nico. Why should he?
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My personal opinion is that the Race Strategists knew Lewis' tires would not go the distance so they wanted him to move over so Nico could close up to the front enough that when he made his final pit stop, he'd be in front and secure the win with Lewis hopefully coming in second.

Some believe such a scenario was because Mercedes wants Nico to be World Champion over Lewis, but IMO they wanted a Mercedes 1-2 so as to improve their lock on winning the Constructors' Championship. By not moving over, instead of a 1-2 they secured a 3-4 and "gave up" 16 points. That being said, I agree that Nico wasn't really trying to get close to Lewis, instead expecting him to significantly back off and allow him to pass. However, in doing so that probably would have cost Lewis the podium and Mercedes even more CC points.

Now, considering they're still 174 points ahead of Red Bull, I don't see a need for Mercedes to actively start worrying about not winning the CC and they should continue to allow both Lewis and Nico race hard against each other and the field.
 
Just so folks are aware - almost all F1 teams are based in the UK, and I suspect a very large fraction of the staff are British. Mercedes is no exception, they're UK-based.

Given that, Mercedes having one British and one German driver is probably perfect.

I suspect Mercedes'seses strategy person (I've heard they only have one, not sure if that's true or not) has been out of practice this year given their dominance.

WRT the radio conversations being out of context, yes, that's probably true, most of them are just snips with very little context at all. It sure sounded clear at the time!
 
CWallace said:
My personal opinion is that the Race Strategists knew Lewis' tires would not go the distance so they wanted him to move over so Nico could close up to the front enough that when he made his final pit stop, he'd be in front and secure the win with Lewis hopefully coming in second.

Some believe such a scenario was because Mercedes wants Nico to be World Champion over Lewis, but IMO they wanted a Mercedes 1-2 so as to improve their lock on winning the Constructors' Championship. By not moving over, instead of a 1-2 they secured a 3-4 and "gave up" 16 points. That being said, I agree that Nico wasn't really trying to get close to Lewis, instead expecting him to significantly back off and allow him to pass. However, in doing so that probably would have cost Lewis the podium and Mercedes even more CC points.

Now, considering they're still 174 points ahead of Red Bull, I don't see a need for Mercedes to actively start worrying about not winning the CC and they should continue to allow both Lewis and Nico race hard against each other and the field.
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i think lewis would have indeed let nico go if nico had made a move in that period.
but to expect him to slow down to let him go is ridiculous, and it would have not helped nico win the race, just getting third ahead of lewis.

on the second time, at the end, i don't think there were any expectations that lewis would just let nico go with a couple of laps to go.

it is entirely on nico. he should have put himself in a position to take advantage of tema orders. he didn't.
 
CWallace said:
My personal opinion is that the Race Strategists knew Lewis' tires would not go the distance so they wanted him to move over so Nico could close up to the front enough that when he made his final pit stop, he'd be in front and secure the win with Lewis hopefully coming in second.

Some believe such a scenario was because Mercedes wants Nico to be World Champion over Lewis, but IMO they wanted a Mercedes 1-2 so as to improve their lock on winning the Constructors' Championship. By not moving over, instead of a 1-2 they secured a 3-4 and "gave up" 16 points. That being said, I agree that Nico wasn't really trying to get close to Lewis, instead expecting him to significantly back off and allow him to pass. However, in doing so that probably would have cost Lewis the podium and Mercedes even more CC points.

Now, considering they're still 174 points ahead of Red Bull, I don't see a need for Mercedes to actively start worrying about not winning the CC and they should continue to allow both Lewis and Nico race hard against each other and the field.
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I think that's very well said and probably what happened. Mercedes is under a strict mandate to secure maximum funds this season by finishing first.

When Lauda made the comments about them making a bad decision under a lot of pressure that's what I think they were dealing with. Having to justify going for a 3-4 instead of a 1-2 finish. They knew they were throwing away the victory by "letting them race".
 
BenTrovato said:
They knew they were throwing away the victory by "letting them race".
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How do you figure that? If Nico can't pass Hamilton mid-race there's no way he gets past Alonso or Ricciardo. It's lazy of Nico and Lauda to think otherwise.

Hamilton wasn't impeding Nico at all until the last couple of laps of the race, by which time Hamilton keeping his place was legitimate, since from the team point of view there's no difference if Nico gets 3rd rather than Hamilton.
 
randian said:
How do you figure that? If Nico can't pass Hamilton mid-race there's no way he gets past Alonso or Ricciardo. It's lazy of Nico and Lauda to think otherwise.

Hamilton wasn't impeding Nico at all until the last couple of laps of the race, by which time Hamilton keeping his place was legitimate, since from the team point of view there's no difference if Nico gets 3rd rather than Hamilton.
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i completely agree.
even if hamilton had slowed down to let rosberg go by, it wouldn't have gotten rosberg any closer to alonso, let alone ricciardo.
the only effect would have been to switch the 3 and 4 position.

if rosberg wanted to try to win the race, he should try to win the race, not sit back and ask for those in front to slow down and let him pass.
 
randian said:
How do you figure that? If Nico can't pass Hamilton mid-race there's no way he gets past Alonso or Ricciardo. It's lazy of Nico and Lauda to think otherwise.

Hamilton wasn't impeding Nico at all until the last couple of laps of the race, by which time Hamilton keeping his place was legitimate, since from the team point of view there's no difference if Nico gets 3rd rather than Hamilton.
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Because the most difficult car on the grid for Rosberg to pass is Hamilton's and the same for Lewis on Nico. Either of them can easily pass any car on the grid this year with fresh tyres - but not on worn ones.

Nico was in position to throw together a few flying laps before his stop - Hamilton while still having good pace, wasn't in that position.

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Don't panic said:
if rosberg wanted to try to win the race, he should try to win the race, not sit back and ask for those in front to slow down and let him pass.
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While that would be nice and everything, that sounds more like racing, not 2014 F1. It's not worth the risk to wear out your tyres in a battle on lap 50 when there's still 25 to go and your best chance is at the end, not now. Rosberg probably did want to win the race, but his camp probably opted to go into the summer break on top of the standings.
 
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