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2016 15" MBP UI Lag
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Yes it's still very much an issue, even after new Sierra update.
Here is the new video I made:
I sent the logs to Apple, but so far they have no clue.
I just ran the same test you did in the video with my late-2016 15" 2.6GHz i7/16GB/256GB MBP and the scrolling in the list of apps is perfectly smooth. And I confirmed it was running the Intel HD 530 as well.
Your lag looks horrendous. Very strange.
Just turn off translucency and wait for the drivers to be optimised. Never ever in the history of Mac OS has a brand new GPU been given optimal drivers (especially for Quartz) upon release. It usually takes 4-5 software updates and maybe even a full new OS upgrade.
Great call out! I just did this and the slight stutter my machine had when swiping between workspaces and using mission control is completely gone.
Not once did I have this issue on my MBP 2016, running on 530. Really. I'm not trying to defend Apple, you clearly have an issue. But, to help determine the possible cause, I'm reporting my experience and, as I said, nothing even close to this in the exact same situation. It's perfectly smooth, and with transparency on. No idea why you have lag.
This is spot on. I can echo this from first hand experience on the 2012 MacBook Pro Retina. They bungled that IGPU so bad they had to actually change the amount of ram it could reserver / share with the system to try to mitigate the choppy video experience. The reason the IGPU in all Macs now share over 1024 megs is thanks to the 2012 machine pushing the ceiling up. This of course only mitigated the issue. The thing was and is plagued by UI issues to this very day.
The point is it got vastly better with a whole new OS update. So 10.13.2 will be when the 2016 MacBook Pro is so smooth that it will slide off a table. Quartz is a finicky system. The system has needed a whole re-write for a long time. The issue is with the Mac OS and iOS teams now one they will not devote enough time to the Mac for such crazy hard things like page one re-write of quartz draw in something that is not carbon yes I said carbon not even objective C. So they will need to think long and hard. I think they have said it is good enough so long as we are better than windows we are ok with it.
that is the current apple way so long as we are slightly better than insert other player we can not push the limits.
I am not having this issue in Application Scrolling etc.. but in iTunes it is AWFUL!! Going to iTunes Store is a chore and it takes 15 seconds to load movies and scrolling is slow. I can confirm this slow down came after updating SIERRA, but using the new Touch Bar Macbook's that update is crucial for battery life etc..
Mine has ui lag with igpu and dgpu and if i try to turn of translucansy. And its ******** to defend apple by saying they need 1 year to optimise drivers to run the freakin OS.. think ill use bootcamp win10 which is buttersmooth for a year if its like that..
Could you clarify where you have lag? Mission Control, or moving windows or scrolling or what?
Opening mission control, sliding between desktops, opening "folders" in launchpad, and that applications folder in finder. Its more like stuttering than lag maby..
But its not super noticable but irritating, feels like apple put all talented programmers for ios and the other for macos
These definitely don't seem GPU related (the stutter instead of low fps is also very indicative). That doesn't mean it's any less annoying, I'm just saying because a lot of people seem to be mentioning the iGPU and graphics drivers and stuff like that.
The reason I asked is that I don't have lag - the only time it happens is sometimes in Mission Control when I have lots of documents open in lots of apps - because it has to pull the most recent data from each app (and some of these are probably suspended to conserve power or whatnot, I have no idea how it works). But this has always been the case with OS X.
Not sure why you have lag while opening folders in launchpad. I have zero lag here. And I do mean zero. Same with applications folder. And I have 110 of apps installed - if that means anything (perhaps you have a lot more).
I feel for you, it's annoying - no idea what to do in your case other than a clean macOS install and trying to figure if any app is causing lag, app by app (btw, do you have FileVault on?). But I'm almost certain that graphics drivers, GPU power, transparency settings and things like that have nothing to do with your situation.
I'm not seeing any noticeable lag on the 455. Some people just have certain skewed perceptions and can't get on with working.
You can work alright with this input lag. If you never try a fully working computer you may never notice it. I thought it was just a drawback of using a 4k display until I hooked up a windows 10 machine with integrated graphics and no input lag.
Just tried this on mine - there was a brief stutter on the first scroll down, but scrolling back and forth after that was smooth. (Guessing it was loading in the icons or something on the first stutter.) I'm also running other applications at the same time, including Safari with six tabs and Tweetbot. This does seem exceptionally poor compared to my experience.
Yeah since its no difference between iGPU or dGPU it is some problem with the OS or maby the screen have problems when things move around alot..
Already done clean installs on all new updates to see if it go away but been like this since beginning. Will go to some stores that sell apple laptops and try the ones o display to see if they are better or not
Quartz I think me and SoyCaptain have said it over and over again the drawing always some how gets messed up when they release a new OS and new hardware. This whole sub-system needs a re-work.
The FPS issues are not hardware related but OS related which is very sad cause the OS can be fixed it is just priorities are not what they could be
The FPS issues are not hardware related but OS related which is very sad cause the OS can be fixed it is just priorities are not what they could be
Why does only some people have the UI lag if its in quartz that need 1 year to work fully with new hardware then? Either some are lying that they dont have lag or there is something else, think its bugs in the drivers. Or something else since if i do a nvram and SMC reset the ui lag disappears for a while then come back later on.
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I've the same lag, scrolling is shuttering in many ways/apps.
10.12.3
MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2016) 2.9 460 1Tb
The ultimate benchmark for this is the expand/collapse album animation in iTunes (Album View). If you have a larger library it get's worse if you scroll about 50% down your library and then do the expand/collapse.
The animation is so bad it's ridiculous.
-> drag iTunes to external 1440p display > butter smooth
-> drag iTunes to internal display (default scaling) > feels like 2-6 fps
Happens with Intel as well as the 460.
In my opinion this is 100% software related. There is no way even the intel gpu is not capable of those simple animations.
EDIT: weirdly, the issues disappeared after a reboot.... macOS really needs some serious polish.
The animation is so bad it's ridiculous.
-> drag iTunes to external 1440p display > butter smooth
-> drag iTunes to internal display (default scaling) > feels like 2-6 fps
Happens with Intel as well as the 460.
In my opinion this is 100% software related. There is no way even the intel gpu is not capable of those simple animations.
EDIT: weirdly, the issues disappeared after a reboot.... macOS really needs some serious polish.
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