2016 15" MBP UI Lag

[linguist]

Cognitive dissonance. The inability to learn new ways of doing things.

no need for name calling people, most do have valid reason but many can not communicate or express it for everyone to understand in single post.

I think people have their good reasons, for example : reading PDF side by side related to task in hand, not all website shows well in full screen or on ultrawide monitor, copy and pasting side by side vs switching screen.

the problem with "optimized" for full screen, is enforcement and reducing way people can achieve task efficiently, instead of learning how people use things and help them achieve it easier and faster.

again with no GUI lag, these things are easier to perform and not less ideal in anyway.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

no need for name calling people, most do have valid reason but many can not communicate or express it for everyone to understand in single post....
again with no GUI lag, these things are easier to perform and not less ideal in anyway.

Thanks for elaborating. I wasn't being rude but providing the term for why people find it hard to breaking established paradigms.

I confess it is very hard to do so but once you get used to mission control it makes sense for each app to have its own space and is very fast to multi task.

If you are a creative you can keep one desktop with various Finder windows (which never lag) and then full screen apps on other virtual spaces. A media manager such as Bridge is also essential.

 

[Trixs]

Holy **** this is laggy

It's not exactly smooth as silk, but this hardly stutters at all on my 2013 macbook air (in safari) . Maybe I shouldn't upgrade lol

 

[motime]

Thanks for elaborating. I wasn't being rude but providing the term for why people find it hard to breaking established paradigms.

I confess it is very hard to do so but once you get used to mission control it makes sense for each app to have its own space and is very fast to multi task.

If you are a creative you can keep one desktop with various Finder windows (which never lag) and then full screen apps on other virtual spaces. A media manager such as Bridge is also essential.

I know what the term means, you do not need to treat others like children. You keep missing the point and making ludicrous excuses for Apple. Sure we can find new ways to do things, but in this instance we shouldn't have to. We are not talking about some new feature or overhaul in the OS that would require us to adapt. We are talking about an inefficient optimization of the base software which leads to choppy animations. There is no excuse for this especially when people have been complaining about this for like 4 years.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I know what the term means, you do not need to treat others like children. You keep missing the point and making ludicrous excuses for Apple. Sure we can find new ways to do things, but in this instance we shouldn't have to. We are not talking about some new feature or overhaul in the OS that would require us to adapt. We are talking about an inefficient optimization of the base software which leads to choppy animations. There is no excuse for this especially when people have been complaining about this for like 4 years.

Lol 4 years. My friend, if you were there to purchase OS X at midnight In late March 2001 then you would know how good you have it these days. Yes our generation will treat you as a child if you behave like a spoilt one.

Learn to use the OS as its developer is asking you to. For several years these new multi tasking features and keyboard shortcuts have been available but people are still 'hmm let me see how good this window resizes and then complain like a wally on a forum'

 

[motime]

Lol 4 years. My friend, if you were there to purchase OS X at midnight In late March 2001 then you would know how good you have it these days. Yes our generation will treat you as a child if you behave like a spoilt one.

Learn to use the OS as its developer is asking you to. For several years these new multi tasking features and keyboard shortcuts have been available but people are still 'hmm let me see how good this window resizes and then complain like a wally on a forum'

It's like talking to a brick wall, either the point just flew over your head or you are simply being an apologist. In either case it is rather sad.

 

[sn0warmy]

If any of you own a MBP mid-2015 15", can you help with this test:

• Open this in Safari - http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~axj/pub/papers/lambda-calculus.pdf on the native display (not connected to external monitor)
• Do NOT zoom out or in after opening, it should by default expand to occupy almost the full width of the display.
• Make sure you are on the iGPU (via gfxCardStatus or using Activity Monitor) and you are on the default resolution/scaling
• Scroll up and down

Do you see any stutter as you scroll up and down? It's very very noticeable on the late MBP 2016 15"

I have both the mid-2015 15" MBP and the 2016 base level 13" MBP (non-touch bar). I tried this with default screen resolution on both machines side by side and didn't notice any real difference between the two, in terms of lag. Both were pretty darn fluid.

However, I will say that over the past 1.5 weeks of ownership, I have noticed considerably more lag with the new 13" over my 15". The lag happens frequently when switching between apps and work spaces. It's also very noticeable while working with large Excel files.

Today I had to put together a large report for a client, which requires a few different apps and a very large Excel sheet. The lag with the 13" was bad enough that I decided to pull my 15" out of the drawer and use that to finish the job.

When it comes tot he new 13", I love the size, the large track pad and the new keyboard design. However, I've been very disappointed with it, in terms of lag and overall performance. So much so that I'm seriously considering returning it and just sticking with my mid-2015 15" until next year.

Also, for what it's worth, I gave scrolling in the app list window a try and the 13" lagged quite a bit while the 15" was perfectly fluid. It's pretty easy to make the 13" lag. Just create 3 workspaces, open 3 app windows in each one and start moving back and forth between the workspace and try using launchpad. The lag becomes very apparent right away. Meanwhile the mid-2015 15" is buttery smooth with the same usage.

 

[linguist]

When it comes tot he new 13", I love the size, the large track pad and the new keyboard design. However, I've been very disappointed with it, in terms of lag and overall performance. So much so that I'm seriously considering returning it and just sticking with my mid-2015 15" until next year.

let's put some clear informative reference for this thread to move forward,

-on 2015 machine is it running on iGPU & which version MacOS and on default 1440x900 scaled resolution ?

-on 2016 machine is it on same version MacOS and on "old" default 1280x800 scaled resolution ?

 

[sn0warmy]

let's put some clear informative reference for this thread to move forward,

-on 2015 machine is it running on iGPU & which version MacOS and on default 1440x900 scaled resolution ?

-on 2016 machine is it on same version MacOS and on "old" default 1280x800 scaled resolution ?

Both machines running on the latest 10.12.1. The 2015 15" I have is the 2.2GHz version which only has a single GPU and not a second NVIDIA GPU with dedicated memory (like the 2.5GHz version has). Also, the default for the new 13" MBP is 1440x900, not 1280x900. However, I usually use it at 1680x1050 since I need to fit more content on my screen for work. The UI was much laggier with the 1680x1050 resolution but I did change it back down to 1440x900 and was still seeing noticeable lag when trying to multi-task across a few apps and workspaces.

With all that said... this morning my wife, knowing I'd regret not having the better spec'd machine, persuaded me to go exchange my non-touchbar 2.0GHz 13" MBP for the 2.9GHz 13" MBP. I figured it was worth the extra couple hundred to get a more future proofed machine with a faster processor, faster RAM, better GPU and the touch-bar, even though the touch-bar is pretty gimmicky at the moment.

I considered getting the 15" version instead, but after using 2 consecutive 15" MBPs over the past 4 years, I have really fallen in love with the much smaller footprint of the 13". After picking up the new one, I immediately changed the screen resolution to 1680x1050 and have been using it for work all day with my normal apps and 3 workspaces. It has been extremely fluid and feels as snappy as my 15" does, with the same processes. It's either the better GPU, faster processor, faster RAM or some combination of all of them that really speeds this one up over the non-touchbar version I had previously.

My initial thought was that increasing the RAM from 8GB to 16GB would be the solution since I usually hover between 6GB and 7GB used throughout the day. However, the Apple Store employee I was working with was confident that the RAM usage was not my issue and that the non-touchbar machine is basically just a MacBook Air, which starts to show its signs with lower specs as soon as you do any serious multi-tasking. My initial impressions after making the exchange tell me he was right.

 

[therealseebs]

Cognitive dissonance. The inability to learn new ways of doing things.

That is not even a tiny bit like what "cognitive dissonance" means. "Cognitive dissonance" is when you have conflicting beliefs or desires. For instance, information about a flaw in a thing or person you like can cause cognitive dissonance. It's not even remotely related to "ability to learn".

 

[linguist]

Both machines running on the latest 10.12.1. The 2015 15" I have is the 2.2GHz version which only has a single GPU and not a second NVIDIA GPU with dedicated memory (like the 2.5GHz version has). Also, the default for the new 13" MBP is 1440x900, not 1280x900. However, I usually use it at 1680x1050 since I need to fit more content on my screen for work. The UI was much laggier with the 1680x1050 resolution but I did change it back down to 1440x900 and was still seeing noticeable lag when trying to multi-task across a few apps and workspaces.

After picking up the new one, I immediately changed the screen resolution to 1680x1050 and have been using it for work all day with my normal apps and 3 workspaces. It has been extremely fluid and feels as snappy as my 15" does, with the same processes. It's either the better GPU, faster processor, faster RAM or some combination of all of them that really speeds this one up over the non-touchbar version I had previously.

This is interesting findings, so you found TB 13" is less laggy than nTB 13", this would be the first post I heard about this.

Thank you for sharing all the experience in detail.

 

[baddj]

anyone else got this lag when the thumbnails are loading for the desktop backgrounds?

 

[sn0warmy]

This is interesting findings, so you found TB 13" is less laggy than nTB 13", this would be the first post I heard about this.

Thank you for sharing all the experience in detail.

I suppose I should mention that my usage consists of running all of the following at the same time and continuously switching between all of them.

Safari (Omniture Analytics and secure work websites)
Chrome (Google Analytics, Adwords, Google Docs etc.)
Spark Email Client
Calendar
Excel (very large documents with millions of data points and 10+ tabs)
Wunderlist
Skype for business
Google Play Music desktop client

All of those apps are spread across 3 workspaces and I'm moving back and forth between them all constantly. The 2.9GHz MBP is able to handle all of this fluidly with no lag, just like my 15" MBP did. However, with the same usage the non-TB MBP I had would hesitate/hang/stutter multiple times per hour when doing the same tasks and trying to swap back and forth between apps and workspaces. It got very annoying, very fast.

Due to my usage, I really think the slowdown I was experiencing had more to do with the CPU speed and/or RAM speed and not so much with the GPU. But I'm not 100% sure of that.

anyone else got this lag when the thumbnails are loading for the desktop backgrounds?

Nope, just checked. It's perfectly smooth for me and those thumbnails are loading up almost instantly.

 

[deadworlds]

I would like to add that on my 2016 15" 2.9Ghz/460 has lag when viewed in safari. Open up the same document in preview the lab is gone. My assumption is that the safari PDF plugin is the problem that caused the lag. Just my opinion.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

That is not even a tiny bit like what "cognitive dissonance" means. "Cognitive dissonance" is when you have conflicting beliefs or desires. For instance, information about a flaw in a thing or person you like can cause cognitive dissonance. It's not even remotely related to "ability to learn".

Massively daft repose from you.

Cognitive dissonance also applies to an inability to effect behaviour changes or learning new information. And you my friend just displayed an inability to lean the correct broader use of the term.

Now hit me with more. Type before you think. It's the internet. Knee jerk reactions without thinking are easy. Anyone can post nonsense and think they are smart

 

[GastonM]

Just installed the new 10.12.2 update. UI lag has greatly decreased. I guess it has something to do with that the Touch Bar animations now mostly take place when the other UI elements are ready with their animation.
Also the Touch Bar is now way better. Less flickering and feels more "stable".

 

[sziehr]

Just installed the new 10.12.2 update. UI lag has greatly decreased. I guess it has something to do with that the Touch Bar animations now mostly take place when the other UI elements are ready with their animation.
Also the Touch Bar is now way better. Less flickering and feels more "stable".

No this has to do with quartz drawing. They screw it up every single .0 release. I swear. They re wrote the dock with swift. I suspect this has some ui element issue. They are working on optimization now. They do this every year. New feature. Break ui. Create bugs. Fix bugs. Fix small ui bug. Smooth out ui security. Repeat step 1. Why we can not break every feature I have no idea.

 

[Fzang]

anyone else got this lag when the thumbnails are loading for the desktop backgrounds?

Yes, exactly the same with Iris Pro iGPU.

 

[dk808]

Did the update change anything?

 

[symphara]

How many times should we post about Quartz's overhead and ever increasing resolution screens before cognitive dissonance ends and people learn to read instead of nag?

Apple would prefer that you start using full screen modes and mission control. You'll notice how fast it is. They introduced it to break away from the ancient Xerox paradigm of resizing and dragging windows around and then like a wally complaining it's no smooth when you should be working. Full screen = focus mode.

Full screen works fine for small screens (I use it a lot on my 13" Macbook), but it just doesn't work as consistently for a large monitor. It's uncomfortable to use most apps in full screen on my hidpi 27". It really depends on how these apps present information, but in most cases, either the focus info is not centred, or it would require to much eye and pointer travel to interact with a full-screen application. Either case, the ergonomics are poor.

And you really don't know what "cognitive dissonance" means. Just re-stating the same false ideas over and over again, in condescending and unpleasant ways makes you seem like an ass. Do a search instead, learn something new.

 

[Jaekae]

I had ui lags on mine on .1 version and tried many smc reset and nvram resets, did clean install on .2 sierra and still had ui lag. But then tried 1 smc reset and its gone. (But not sure if the smc reset was sucessful since no indicator led anymore) atleast gone now (on 15 inch)

 

[monkeydax]

I had ui lags on mine on .1 version and tried many smc reset and nvram resets, did clean install on .2 sierra and still had ui lag. But then tried 1 smc reset and its gone. (But not sure if the smc reset was sucessful since no indicator led anymore) atleast gone now (on 15 inch)

So seems like .2 helped?

 

[dan9700]

Does beta 10.12.3 fix any of the lag

 

[Jaekae]

So seems like .2 helped?

Yeah maby .2 updated something for smc too, since it only started working after .2 install + smc reset. Not when trying those resets on .1

 

[Hackintosh Sr.]

Ill try the test when I get home. I didnt read the whole thread, but I did a clean install of 10.2.2 and reset PRAM and NVRAM and I don't notice lag anymore. I say anymore as in now I get about the same lag as I was getting with the 2015 it seems.