You might be on to something because your right it's pretty diverse across all setups. My ntMBP 13" does it however I just downloaded the patch that Hair Force One mentioned and so far so good.
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2016 MBP graphics issues - RESPONSE FROM CRAIG FEDERIGHI
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You might be on to something because your right it's pretty diverse across all setups. My ntMBP 13" does it however I just downloaded the patch that Hair Force One mentioned and so far so good.
Why not just wait and see if your order had the problem or not? Then you could've just returned it
Yeah if im correct its the intel gpus it explain why win 10 on bootcamp works perfectly, even for hours with gaming, win 10 only use the amd card.
In macOS i get many error reports in console about cpu overuse, have UI lag on the intel card, but butter smooth with amd,
1 synth plugin can give 100% cpu usage in logic which also could be related that my skylake is the thing to blame for it all
Anyone who has dealt with Apple for any length of time should know that it can be completely disingenuous at times; 2011 15" MBP fiasco springs to mind. I don't think the 460 runs too hot, equally I expect Apple to do the norm, "if" there is a longterm issue with the current 460 Radeon MBP`s Apple will resolve it on the 2nd Gen leaving the 1st Gen owners with little to no recourse outside of the basic warranty.
1st Gen MBP remains to be a buyer beware product, as Apple simply doesn't do it`s homework. If you don't have a specific need better to hold off for the 2nd or 3rd Gen they will be better more refined machines with likely a lower price point.
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It could well be, I have just learned through experience that it`s better to avoid Apple 1st Gen products as Apple rarely gets it right first time around. In this case Apple may or may not be able to correct with revised SW.
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Could be the drivers for the skylake gpus, intel have a history of having bad drivers, and intels latest 530 drivers was released 2nd of december, so maby thats whats apple include in next sierra update
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that`s bs, Craig
was there ever a single precedent, where hardware failure was fixed by software update?
was there ever a single precedent, where hardware failure was fixed by software update?
Nope mine is BTO and no UK stock.
15" / 2.9Ghz / 2TB SSD / Radeon 460
Actually just checked and it's a little quicker, 2-3 weeks BTO times now so it would be sometime around Christmas.
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Do you notice any UI lag when you have it on intel 530? That disapears if you turn off automatic graphic switching? Also do you have in console system reports about over use of cpu resource or excessive wakeups?
No ive not noticed any UI lag when running on iGPU or dGPU.
Yes there are lots of messages about processes having 45,000 wake ups that exceeds the allowed rate of 250
Ok trying to figure out if excessive wakeups thing is connected to skylake problems, apple chat support have no clue what it even means
I'll have a check of my non-Skylake MPB logs later and report back.Ok trying to figure out if excessive wakeups thing is connected to skylake problems, apple chat support have no clue what it even means
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If you jump to 1m20s in my video you'll see I switch between iGPU and dGPU and my graphics glitches are still there, they shift a little but still present so I've ruled out either GPU.
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How does your console look when you do the live monitoring with the "error and faults" filter on ? I have several yellow faults every minute, and some critical red faults coming sometimes
I suspect these issues are software, not hardware -
There are reports that 13" nTB models, 13" TB models and 15" models with different dGPUs are all affected. That's 5 different CPU/GPU combinations.
All three machines run completely different processors and iGPUs. The nTB models have LV 15w CPUs with Intel 540 iGPUs, the 13" TBs have 550 iGPUs and the 15" models have 530 iGPUs, not to mention three different models of dGPUs.
I find it hard to believe that three completely different Skylake processors (low voltage dual core parts, standard dual core parts and quad core parts) and thee different AMD GPUs all have hardware faults that produce the same artifacts. Yet Windows machines with the same CPUs don't exhibit these issues.
Has anyone who has an affected machine attempted to completely format the hard drive and re-install the software from the internet recovery mode? If you do, not not install any Adobe software or any other software that offers control of color space settings and let us know if the issues persist.
There are reports that 13" nTB models, 13" TB models and 15" models with different dGPUs are all affected. That's 5 different CPU/GPU combinations.
All three machines run completely different processors and iGPUs. The nTB models have LV 15w CPUs with Intel 540 iGPUs, the 13" TBs have 550 iGPUs and the 15" models have 530 iGPUs, not to mention three different models of dGPUs.
I find it hard to believe that three completely different Skylake processors (low voltage dual core parts, standard dual core parts and quad core parts) and thee different AMD GPUs all have hardware faults that produce the same artifacts. Yet Windows machines with the same CPUs don't exhibit these issues.
Has anyone who has an affected machine attempted to completely format the hard drive and re-install the software from the internet recovery mode? If you do, not not install any Adobe software or any other software that offers control of color space settings and let us know if the issues persist.
This thread was just picked up by 9 to 5 Mac.
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No third party app can control Color Space settings unless they create new profiles as ICC files.
But macOS could itself be trying to switch color profiles with certain apps or monitors. We know for certain the Radeon driver does this because on the internal screen it uses an 8bit depth driver and on an compatible external screen it switches to a 10 bit depth driver. There is likely a bug when switching between driver modes.
I suspect people are swapping them because Apple suggests it when they can't figure out what the problem is.
And frankly, the behavior people are seeing is the kind of thing that would be very hard to be a software issue if there weren't a hardware flaw of some kind. Of course, it could be a design flaw. But something like this looks like the sort of thing for which software can provide workarounds, but there's something more fundamentally broken if software can produce these results.
The preconfigured "BTO" type MBPs stocked in the Apple Store do not show up for Store Pickup - I was told this specifically by Apple and experienced it as they brought a sealed MBP out with my exact specs, but I was unable to order it online for pickup without it wanting to ship me a new one to store that'd arrive Jan 2. It was sitting right in front of me, but as soon as you change a spec in the configurator, it becomes a custom model that comes from China regardless of local stock. The preconfigured stock is primarily for upselling in-store customers.
Call the stores, they've got them all over the US so I'd be surprised that the UK strategy is totally different.
Stores are stocking the 15" 2.9GHz/1TB/460, but are not stocking the 2TB one.
This year's 'stock BTOs' are 13/3.3/16/512 and 15/2.9/1/460. Both colours. Not all stores though: in the UK it's central London stores plus a few others.
