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2016 MLB Hot Stove

Silencio said:
Speaking of Crawdaddy, he signed a fairly team-friendly 6 year contract extension. He could have made more on the open free agent market in a couple of years, but he grew up a Giants fan in San Jose and is living the dream.

Here he is at age 5, rocking his 1989 pennant winner's shirt and glumly contemplating the sacreligious thought of the Tampa Bay Giants:

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Or they could do what is right and move back to New York. :p
 
Giants are still among first mentioned for Greinke, Cueto, and Price. Any one of those three would get the job done being a 1-2 punch along with Bumgarner.

Greinke is best because it would weaken LA who is already going to be rebuilding with new manager. Maybe for once, SF can win the NL West. It seems winning the division is harder than winning the World Series. If LA wins the West it in 2016, and with a new manager and without Greinke (who will go to another team), I will go off the deep end.

Even if LA is better than us, and they have been for 3 straight years averaging 92.7 wins, it would be nice to finish the division ahead of them, even if they beat us in every head to head next year. I don't think SF can be a better team than them if they have both Kershaw and Greinke, even if we get Price or Cueto. We would have to get both Price and Cueto in our rotation to equal the Dodgers.
 
7 years, 217 million, reports the Red Sox to sign David Price.

The Red Sox are taking no shortcuts with their rotation this time. According to a source briefed on the negotiations, they agreed on Tuesday on a seven-year, $217 million contract with lefthander David Price.

The deal is the largest ever for a pitcher, $2 million more than the Dodgers gave Clayton Kershaw.

Price, 30, was one of the two best starters on the free-agent market along with Zack Greinke.

The Sox built a rotation of middling starters last season, a flawed strategy that led to finishing in last place. Dave Dombrowski, an executive with a long history of making splashy deals, was hired as president of baseball operations to make significant changes and was aggressive in doing so.

Price’s deal dwarfs what had been the largest contract for a Red Sox pitcher, both by average annual value and total cost. The previous high was a four-year, $82.5 million extension given to Rick Porcello in April.
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...david-price/Tsv1SM9yjAU1TncmXJpFUN/story.html
 
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MacNut said:
7 years, 217 million, reports the Red Sox to sign David Price.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...david-price/Tsv1SM9yjAU1TncmXJpFUN/story.html
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If the Red Sox get Price, it could be a great push from upstairs to get WS and would be a great going away present for David Ortiz. He's definitely Boston's version of Derek Jeter and respected as one of the greats in his generation. Nine time all star, three time World Series champion, 2,300+ hits, and .284 lifetime batting average.

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OK, now it's totally official. Price is with Red Sox. The stakes and record money was so big I thought something may fall apart on it at the last minute but Boston put out the money and Price and his people went for it. This is a huge gamble but it may pay off. I remember when Giants paid a huge sum for Barry Zito from A's and he didn't deliver until the very end of his long stay in San Francisco, but for many years it looked like we took a bath and would never get any mileage from Zito. He was our key WS star in 2012 and in 2012 and 2013 had the modern record for winning starts in a row and looked like the old Zito of the A's:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/158579128/red-sox-sign-free-agent-pitcher-david-price

Yankees, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, and Giants are all in on big money for starter and that leaves Cueto (who turned down Diamondbacks) and Greinke. Cueto is not totally out for Diamondbacks according to watchers on this, and Greinke could still end up with LA. It won't be easy but I want either for Giants. We lost out on Tanaka, Shields, and Lester so it's about time we get a similarly good pitcher from another team.
 
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MacNut said:
They gave up Lester for less.
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Exactly, and Lester is a more proven pitcher. I'm still pissed about them screwing him over and then using the money they should have used to sign him to sign two washed up guys who sucked it up all year (Hanley and Pablo). Screw Henry and Lucchino.
 
If Greinke goes back to the Dogs and Cueto signs with the D-Backs, it's going to be pretty glum in Giants-land. They would have to go for quantity over quality (pick any two of Leake, Fister, Samardzija, etc. etc.), but they've already got quantity (Cain, Peavy, Heston).

The Giants had better go all in on Greinke and hope that the lure of a more harmonious clubhouse puts their bid over the top.
 
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Silencio said:
If Greinke goes back to the Dogs and Cueto signs with the D-Backs, it's going to be pretty glum in Giants-land. They would have to go for quantity over quality (pick any two of Leake, Fister, Samardzija, etc. etc.), but they've already got quantity (Cain, Peavy, Heston).

The Giants had better go all in on Greinke and hope that the lure of a more harmonious clubhouse puts their bid over the top.
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We have to go big and San Francisco won't always have dynasty people like Boche, Posey, and Bumgarner. There will come a time when we don't have any of these people and go back to being a regular baseball team who perennially finds third place and never gets into the playoffs. We aren't the New York Yankees so there won't be just another dynasty in a decade or two, and for San Francisco this type of championship winning only happens a couple of times a century at most. On hitting we will never have another Willie Mays or Barry Bonds so our best bet is Cueto or Greinke.

I can see how Cueto or Greinke may want to go to a team where they are the only ace pretty much guaranteeing the #1 starter position. I don't know if a premier talent like Cueto or Greinke want to share with another great pitcher (like Bumgarner), even if that means a World Series win. With the huge amount of money these players can make, I don't know if winning a World Series is so important that they will take a couple of million dollars less per year or sign for one or two years less on a big contract. Money is what usually talks loudest for the very top players and if people wanted the best year after year chance to win, they would all migrate to the Yankees. SF put up reasonably high offers to Shields, Tanaka, and Lester and they went to (then) lesser teams that offered more than the Giants could pay.

The only motivator I can think of for slightly lesser pay is if the player is going to the next great dynasty, even if baseball dynasties have become far less likely. With the way they are managing their team, I think the only team not only thinking WS but dynasty are the Chicago Cubs. If the Cubs get Cueto or Greinke, there's a reasonable chance that they can become three time championship winners like the most recent Boston or San Francisco teams.
 
63dot said:
If the Red Sox get Price, it could be a great push from upstairs to get WS and would be a great going away present for David Ortiz. He's definitely Boston's version of Derek Jeter and respected as one of the greats in his generation. Nine time all star, three time World Series champion, 2,300+ hits, and .284 lifetime batting average.
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Quit pretending. He's a drug cheat who used steroids to end an overblown championship droughts.
 
AustinIllini said:
Quit pretending. He's a drug cheat who used steroids to end an overblown championship droughts.
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I hate to say it but most teams have a high achieving player who doped.

I knew Bonds doped but I was still excited about the records.

The best I could say is we dropped Melky Cabrera, NL's better hitter, from the 2010 WS postseason roster. Yes, Melkly helped get us there more than most, but we had to put our foot down, especially with the Bonds debacle.

Before that in norcal it was exciting to see McGwire and Canseco hit big, but it turns out they also doped up.
 
Mariners get Aoki even though Giants said keeping him was an option. He was one of our most productive batters so now Giants are really at a loss. We have to get big pitcher or else it will be a long season.
 
maflynn said:
I can't believe how much they paid for him. He's a great pitcher to be sure, but 217 million is a huge number and these long term high price contracts haven't exactly worked out for any team that does them.
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I am actually okay with this deal since he has an opt-out clause after three years. If he pitches well then there is no chance he will not take the opt-out.
 
Ghostbuster386 said:
I am actually okay with this deal since he has an opt-out clause after three years. If he pitches well then there is no chance he will not take the opt-out.
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That shouldn't make you feel better. It's not likely he pitches worth that contract, so I get the feeling he'll be sticking around.

It's okay, infinite money helps.
 
AustinIllini said:
That shouldn't make you feel better. It's not likely he pitches worth that contract, so I get the feeling he'll be sticking around.

It's okay, infinite money helps.
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It does make me feel better. I would of rather gotten Cueto instead but if we are stuck with him at least there is a chance it will only be for three years. Who knows maybe I will be wrong about him and he will be amazing.
 
63dot said:
I hate to say it but most teams have a high achieving player who doped.

I knew Bonds doped but I was still excited about the records.

The best I could say is we dropped Melky Cabrera, NL's better hitter, from the 2010 WS postseason roster. Yes, Melkly helped get us there more than most, but we had to put our foot down, especially with the Bonds debacle.

Before that in norcal it was exciting to see McGwire and Canseco hit big, but it turns out they also doped up.
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It wasn't just the hitters who were doping. See also Roger Clemens and Eric Gagne, amongst others.
Melky was in 2012. He certainly helped the Giants to a nice lead in the NL West before he got caught, but they played the last two months of the season and the entire postseason without him.

Speaking of Bonds, today he was named the Marlins' batting coach. I wonder if he would get bored or restless in a full-time coaching role, but the man knows a thing or two about hitting and his advice to some of the Giants' hitters over the past couple of seasons has been invaluable.
 
Silencio said:
It wasn't just the hitters who were doping. See also Roger Clemens and Eric Gagne, amongst others.
Melky was in 2012. He certainly helped the Giants to a nice lead in the NL West before he got caught, but they played the last two months of the season and the entire postseason without him.

Speaking of Bonds, today he was named the Marlins' batting coach. I wonder if he would get bored or restless in a full-time coaching role, but the man knows a thing or two about hitting and his advice to some of the Giants' hitters over the past couple of seasons has been invaluable.
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Bonds is an interesting person.

His mercurial style makes him the press' worst enemy one day, but then more than generous to them and fans the next. It all depends what mood he is in.

He doped and that certainly gave him power to make outfield hits into home runs, but doping doesn't explain his ability to leave alone close pitches that are balls. It doesn't give him the remarkable hand eye coordination. That's all Bonds and he's unique in all of baseball in that sense with just a few others maybe as talented.

He destroyed his legacy as best hitter with single season record and career record by doping. I think many will still consider him great in a lot of ways in terms of talent, but also a cheater, too. I think when Tom Brady retires there will be a similar thing where he's considered extremely talented, but also a cheater, too. I don't think the evidence showed he cheated per se beyond reasonable doubt, but the way he handled it smeared his reputation as being "as good as Joe Montana". Right now most think of Bonds and Brady as cheaters and not exactly good people, but after the stigma wears off and their records are around without the hype, they will be considered (as well as dopers McGwire and Clemmons) as greats in their sport. That being said all will be forgiven for Pete Rose, too. It's just a shame that these people left the sport in a haze of controversy and that overtook their great work at the time.

Doping, gambling, or tampering with balls are all things that lead fans to be very unforgiving at the time of the alleged wrongdoing, but what speaks loudest are their records compared to the field (of many others who cheated in one way or another). The press never really went after mediocre players who cheated because that just does not sell.
 
breaking Mets news*

Ben Zobrist/Royals had a dinner meeting with the big cheeses from the Mets. Word on the street is he could get a 4 year gig.
 
Centaurr said:
breaking Mets news*

Ben Zobrist/Royals had a dinner meeting with the big cheeses from the Mets. Word on the street is he could get a 4 year gig.
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We got Aoki from Royals after WS but now Aoki is Ichiro type replacement at Seattle.

Since 2014 the Royals have shed Aoki, Shields, and now Zobrist and probably Cueto so there's no way they can return to WS.

You have to have starter type players and backups as good as starters in this injury laden sport (much more than NFL) to get to and through postseason.
 
Ghostbuster386 said:
It does make me feel better. I would of rather gotten Cueto instead but if we are stuck with him at least there is a chance it will only be for three years. Who knows maybe I will be wrong about him and he will be amazing.
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And if he sucks in year 2 and blows out his arm in year 3 you are stuck with him. Lets not forget that playoff record.

And what if he opts out and the Red Sox resign him.
 
Silencio said:
If Greinke goes back to the Dogs and Cueto signs with the D-Backs, it's going to be pretty glum in Giants-land. They would have to go for quantity over quality (pick any two of Leake, Fister, Samardzija, etc. etc.), but they've already got quantity (Cain, Peavy, Heston).

The Giants had better go all in on Greinke and hope that the lure of a more harmonious clubhouse puts their bid over the top.
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Greinke 6 years 206 million with the D-Backs.
 
MacNut said:
Greinke 6 years 206 million with the D-Backs.
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That doesn't help the Giants since Diamondbacks are in the NL West, but going away from Dodgers will help Giants. With singing of Samardzija for the Giants, things could be good for winning the NL West which hasn't been done in a while. It will be close because LA still has Kershaw and now Arizona is way better than their 2015 team that went 79-83.

My hope is Samardzija will more than make up for Tim Hudson retiring and maybe we can reach 90 wins next year. If Dodgers do slightly less than last year and Diamondbacks do a little better and can do high 80s with Greinke's help, then Giants are "in". Of the last five trips to postseason this century, we made it to World Series four of those times so it just takes us to get in and we don't have to win 100 games and dominate the regular season to ultimately do better than the experts predict we will.
 
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