2017-2018 NFL Season Thread

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  1. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god

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    Congrats, Pats! Combine in 2 weeks! New season!

    NFL.com top Free agents:

    1) Le'Veon Bell, Pittsburgh Steelers running back:
    NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reports that the Steelers will use the franchise tag on Bell, the author of an entirely unique style of running. A one-year deal is ideal for the Steelers, considering Bell's previous suspensions and injuries, but it could lead to offseason friction between the running back and team

    2) Eric Berry, Kansas City Chiefs safety: Berry checks every conceivable box. He's a superstar at a scarce position (practically every team is looking for a safety). He's a locker-room leader and squarely in his prime at 28 years old. Retained with a franchise tag that created acrimony before the 2016 season, it's time for the Chiefs to pay up.

    3) Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins quarterback: In his "prove it" season, Cousins proved he's a mid-level starting quarterback. That's worth a lot in today's NFL. The Redskins would likely use the franchise tag on Cousins for a second consecutive season if they can't reach a long-term deal.

    4) Kawann Short, Carolina Panthers defensive tackle: General manager Dave Gettleman unceremoniously booted cornerback Josh Norman last offseason, in theory because the team needed room to retain Short. Now it's time to pay up.

    5) Chandler Jones, Arizona Cardinals outside linebacker: After being traded to Arizona, Jones did a better job than his former teammate Patriots Jamie Collins of proving he can thrive in any defensive system. Cardinals coach Bruce Arians already declared the team will retain Jones with the franchise tag if it can't sign him long-term.

    6) Alshon Jeffery, Chicago Bears wide receiver: Jeffery could wind up No. 1 on this list by March 9 because he's the most likely player ranked in the top eight to hit free agency. Injuries marred his 2015 campaign, and his suspension in 2016 is a concern, but there's no denying his ball skills or production. True No. 1 receivers don't become available too often.

    7) Melvin Ingram, Los Angeles Chargers outside linebacker: Don't just look at the sack total. Ingram slowly evolved into one of football's most disruptive, complete outside linebackers in 2016. His profile isn't so different from that of Olivier Vernon, who scored big in free agency last season.

    8) Calais Campbell, Arizona Cardinals defensive end: There's no other player quite like Campbell, as thoughtful and savvy as he is physically overwhelming at 6-foot-8, 282 pounds. He would make a great "get over the hump" piece for a team looking for a title.

    9) Brandon Williams, Baltimore Ravens defensive tackle: Williams is a one-man solution to your favorite team's run-stopping problems. Damon Harrison paved the way last season for nose tackles to get paid like pass rushers.

    10) Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants defensive end: Before his recent sports hernia surgery, Pierre-Paul's incredible stamina and snap-to-snap effort was a calling card. He proved this season he can still finish plays despite having an amputated index finger. Just don't offer him a one-year contract.

    11) Jamie Collins, Cleveland Browns outside linebacker: The hardest free agent to rank on the list. The Browns will be highly motivated to retain Collins after dealing a compensatory third-round pick for him. His time in Cleveland was unremarkable, and New England's willingness to trade him is a red flag for interested teams. While his production does not match his skill set or reputation, Collins should not fear. He may not get top-tier money as hoped, but any player this versatile will get paid somewhere.

    12) Kevin Zeitler, Cincinnati Bengals guard: After earning second-team honors on Pro Football Focus' 2016 All-Pro team at 26 years old, Zeitler is set to make a lot more money than many players with a lot more name-brand value.

    13) Stephon Gilmore, Buffalo Bills cornerback: He has weeks, even months, on film where he looks like a true No. 1 cornerback. He had other weeks in 2016 where he looked lost, perhaps fearful of getting hurt in a contract year. If he makes it to the open market, some team will believe it can make him a star because of his skill set, although I suspect the Bills will use the franchise tag on him.

    14) A.J. Bouye, Houston Texans cornerback: No player has made himself more money this season. While there is undeniable risk in signing a player with only 19 career starts, Bouye has played like a borderline Pro Bowler in his first full season as a starter. He looks the part of a former first-round pick, not a former undrafted player.

    15) Dont'a Hightower, New England Patriots linebacker: After Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins were traded, the conventional wisdom in New England held that Hightower would be re-signed. Bill Belichick has talked up Hightower's leadership in the past, but Belichick rarely does what fans and writers expect.

    16) Dontari Poe, Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle: The Chiefs may have to choose between Poe and Berry, resulting in Poe hitting the market. Though he's a solid starter, his career hasn't taken off as I expected after his terrific rookie season in 2012.

    17) Martellus Bennett, New England Patriots tight end: He'd worn out his welcome with three different organizations before finding a home in New England. Bill Belichick should do what he can to retain the best Gronk insurance possible.

    18) DeSean Jackson, Washington Redskins receiver: There is some risk that Jackson's explosive but limited skill set will erode now that he's 30, but it's hard to detect on the field. Few players can take the top off a defense better, and teams know to pay Jackson as a great puzzle piece, not a No. 1 threat.

    19) Terrelle Pryor, Cleveland Browns receiver: Well, here's a ranking that would have looked ridiculous at this time a year ago. Maturity questions linger, but Pryor's 1,000-yard season hinted at an even higher ceiling ahead for the converted quarterback.

    20) T.J. Lang, Green Bay Packers guard: A "criminally underrated" starter may have to leave Green Bay at age 29 to get his fair market value.

    21) Nick Perry, Green Bay Packers outside linebacker: General manager Ted Thompson brought Perry back on a one-year, $5 million contract last offseason after a boffo playoff run. Perry will cost a lot more after collecting a team-high 11 sacks.

    22) Trumaine Johnson, Los Angeles Rams cornerback: Given the franchise tag last season, Johnson turned in a relatively unremarkable campaign as a starter in coordinator Gregg Williams' system. Don't be surprised if Williams' new team, the Browns, go after Johnson.

    23) Tony Jefferson, Arizona Cardinals safety: Was he a product of the Cardinals' aggressive system? Jefferson can make plays all over the field if he finds a coach who knows how to deploy him.

    24) Ricky Wagner, Baltimore Ravens tackle: Consistent, quality play from a starting right tackle could be worth north of $10 million per season in this market.

    25) Barry Church, Dallas Cowboys safety: As Conor Orr mentioned in his great piece this week, Church can up his value with a big playoff run. Church is a steady, tough, run-stopping constant in a Dallas secondary that overachieved this season. He's a glue guy.

    Notable omissions: Eddie Lacy, RB, Green Bay Packers; Riley Reiff, T, Detroit Lions; Kenny Britt, WR, Los Angeles Rams; Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants; Mike Glennon, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers; Andrew Whitworth, T, Cincinnati Bengals; Chris Baker, DE, Washington Redskins; Larry Warford, G, Detroit Lions; DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Denver Broncos; Jabaal Sheard, DE, New England Patriots; LeGarrette Blount, RB, New England Patriots; T.J. McDonald, SS, Los Angeles Rams.


     
  2. mscriv macrumors 601

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    Yep, lots of interesting off season moves are ahead of us I'm sure.
     
  3. Fozzybadfeet macrumors 6502

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    Interested to see which names get cut.

    Also, WTH is your deal Aldon Smith. You've had the support of the Raiders franchise, vowed to not get into any off the field issues, and now you're being investigated for a domestic dispute? Wow.

    Talk about a waste of talent.
     
  4. AustinIllini thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    The big story is definitely Jimmy Garoppolo's future with the Patriots. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't moved, but at least one of the teams with the top three picks is going to go for a quarterback, but I feel like Jimmy G might be better than reaching at 3.
     
  5. Fozzybadfeet macrumors 6502

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    Yeah, I think so too.

    I know Cleveland and SF are high on Garoppolo...But are they willing to give up picks to the Super Bowl champs? NE will probably just flip that pick for additional picks to win 5 more super bowls. smh.

    Not surprised Victor Cruz and Rashad Jennings were cut. I wonder who else is next?
     
  6. AustinIllini thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Jay Cutler is going to be cut. You can take that to the bank.
     
  7. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    This is the real quandary. IMO, Jimmy G hasn't done enough to be considered a good bet. He has played great in his limited starts like several others in recent memory: Matt Flynn (480 yards, 6-1 TD-Int in his only start), Matt Cassell (11-5 first season as a starter), RGIII (record setting rookie season). Take a look at how Brady's understudies have fared so far: Matt Cassell, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallet all started in the NFL. Hoyer has been a roller coaster but played well enough outside the Patriots system. Mallet, he sucked. But it wasn't apparent to anyone, not even old OC, Bill O'Brien.

    The lack of quality QB's will raise Jimmy G's stock. But I wouldn't offer more than a 2nd rounder for him. I recalled 3 years ago how some Patriots fans were claiming anything less than a 2nd rounder was low balling it for Mallet. The Hooded One hoodwinked my Texans out of a 6th rounder for the bum. Truly, Rick Smith is a terrible GM.

    Rick Smith needs to land a big fish like Romo. Houston can make our first SB appearance with Romo at the helm. Just how bad was Brock? I cannot recall any other QB who can make an All-Pro WR look like a WR3.o_O
     
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    In regards to the Patriots QB system. One has to wonder if it is the way Bill Bilocheck runs his system that produces good to great QB's, since most who have left the system for other teams haven't fared as well.

    Almost like Phil Jackson's system. Same players under a different coach and they do not perform like they did under the previous coach.
     
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    Jimmy G had a lot of teams interested in him and to be drafted by the Hoodie in the 2nd round, I think he has way more upside than Cassel, Flynn, Hoyer, and Mallet.

    I think a 2nd round pick, paired with a a mid/late rd pick should do it. The key thing is that whichever team does trade, that they give Jimmy G a good contract up front. Trade a top picks for a rental isn't good.
     
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    From your lips to the owner's ear.

    The Bears seem to have a knack for holding onto quarterbacks who show occasional flashes of brilliance, but one good game in five or six ain't doing the job. Look how long they hung onto Rex Grossman. He'd have a good game, they'd say, "see, he has potential." Then he'd bomb the next six. Finally we get a new quarterback and it's the same old story.
     
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    I don't understand how Kenny Britt makes this list over Kenny Stills, NFL.Com is not smart. I hope my Dolphins sign Ingram, We need help on D.
     
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    I'll be honest, I don't think a 1st Rd pick for Jimmy is crazy (this year). Not because he's great, but because of the alternatives.

    Most likely, there are at least 2 teams that will use 1st rd picks to get either Watson, Trubinsky or Kaizer. IMO, Jimmy is the safer bet. The three incoming rookies don't look like week one starters to me, while Jimmy has actually been one.
     
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    I'd be surprised if some team doesn't pay the high price for Garoppolo.
     
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    Just get a better offensive line Seattle. Is that too much to ask ?
     
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    The Broncos need to do the same.
     
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    Honest question,
    Why was Kurt Warner selected for the HOF?

    I haven't followed his career enough, but I know he had a couple of great years in St. Louis where they won the super bowl, but he lost another 2 Super Bowls (St Louis and Arizona)
     
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    yeah.
    not sure.
    i guess he put up some decent numbers but ... eh, i don't know. sometimes they seem to just need someone to put in there...?


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  18. maflynn Moderator

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    I think he's generally nice a guy, so don't get me wrong, but I didn't think he had HOF type numbers but I guess if you bring a team to the SB 3x that counts for something.

    The response that I've seen so far has been positive, but I just didn't think he had a career worthy of it
     
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    me either.

    and seems to be a very nice guy. heck, i like him.
     
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    Agreed, same here. If it came down to T.O. and Warner, I'd pick Warner every time. Heck that may be why T.O. wasn't selected :p
     
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    I agree, I think his like-ability and his story are what got him selected, and I'm good with that.

    Guy goes undrafted, gets signed by the Packers, then cut. Ends up stocking shelves at a grocery store for minimum wage, signs with an Arena team, then plays in Europe before he finally gets a second chance in the league and makes good on it.

    So yup, like you and @pachyderm said, I'll take Warner and his awesome story any day over a guy like TO even if his production dictates that he should get in.
     
  22. AustinIllini thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Sorry, but TO's production indicates he MUST get in. He's what? Top 5 all time at his position.
     
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    Without question, I can remember watching SB XXXIV and rooting for him and St. Louis. Of course in SB XXXVI I was rooting for the patriots :D
     
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    Top 5 in productivity? Yeah Probably. But if I'm looking for a WR1 to play for me for a career and I can grab anyone from history, I'm not taking TO in my top 5. Not sure if he's even in my top 10.

    Not that I have a vote or anything, but I've never believed that production should be the sole indicator of who gets in and when they get in.

    I think he gets in eventually, but I have no problem with him waiting.
     
  25. AustinIllini thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Then you are mistaken. TO is a Hall of Famer in every sense of the word.
     

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